Go North East: Service Suggestions v2

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2. Sunderland - Hylton road - millfield metro - clanny house - royal hospital - sunderland crematorium - broadway - penshaw - shiney row - fatfield - lampton - washington.
This service will operate via hylton road joining back on route near the hospital.
This service will continue to operate every 30 minutes.
Journeys to silksworth are transferd to another service.
2A. Silksworth - Tunstall village - Ryhope stores - hollycarside - Grangetown - leechmere Asda - Ashbrooke - Sunderland interchange - Enterprise park - waterview park - washington.
This service will operate every 30 minutes.
The service will operate as normal to Grangetown.
The service will replace service 38 and 238 to Sunderland from Leechmere Asda.
The service will replace route 8 from Sunderland to washington.
8. Sunderland - Royal hospital - pennywell road - A19 - waterview park - washington - Glebe - washington art centre - chester le street - beamish museum - stanley.
This service will revert back to its old route continuing with a 30 minute frequency.
20. Durham - Belmont - East Rainton - Hall lane - Hougton le spring - Doxford international - East herrington - barnes - sunderland interchange.
This service will additionally serve Doxford international every day and will ternamate at Sunderland.
The service will operate every 30 minutes.
20A. Arnison centre - durham - Belmont - east rainton - hougton le spring - East herrington - barnes - royal hospital - sunderland - wheatsheaf - fullwell grange - cleadon village - harton nook - south shields.
This service will operate every 30 minutes with an extension to arnison centre.
The service will also extend to royal hospital to cover for route 2A.
X20. Durham - non stop to Rainton bridge - hougton le spring - A690 - A19 - Enterprise park - wheatsheaf - fullwell - cleadon village - harton nook - south shields.
This service will operate hourly replacing route 36.
The service will provide a fast link for passengers between durham and south shields.
36. Sunderland to Chester-le-Street.
This service will only operate sunderland to chester le street with no other changes.
38,238.
38. Tunstall bank - esdale estate - hollycarside - leechmere Asda - Grangetown - villete road - sunderland - royal hospital - barnwell - biddick - washington.
This service will operate hourly and replace route 2a.
238 This service will operate from sunderland interchange to ryhope village alike the old 202.
New 38A.
This service operates the same as the current 38 on a every 30 minute frequency.
59. This service extended to Brasside to give residents a sunday bus.
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(05 Jul 2016, 8:28 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com Wrote: 20. Durham - Belmont - East Rainton - Hall lane - Hougton le spring - Doxford international - East herrington - barnes - sunderland interchange.
This service will additionally serve Doxford international every day and will ternamate at Sunderland.
The service will operate every 30 minutes.
20A. Arnison centre - durham - Belmont - east rainton - hougton le spring - East herrington - barnes - royal hospital - sunderland - wheatsheaf - fullwell grange - cleadon village - harton nook - south shields.
This service will operate every 30 minutes with an extension to arnison centre.
The service will also extend to royal hospital to cover for route 2A.
X20. Durham - non stop to Rainton bridge - hougton le spring - A690 - A19 - Enterprise park - wheatsheaf - fullwell - cleadon village - harton nook - south shields.
This service will operate hourly replacing route 36.
The service will provide a fast link for passengers between durham and south shields.
59. This service extended to Brasside to give residents a sunday bus.

I think those changes are actually good ideas, however I doubt many people will sit on the X20 full route
(05 Jul 2016, 8:51 pm)NK53 TKT Wrote: I think those changes are actually good ideas, however I doubt many people will sit on the X20 full route

There's 9 buses per hour durham to south shields 6x 20s 3x 50s a faster bus than those services may work in my opinion
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(05 Jul 2016, 9:27 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com Wrote: There's 9 buses per hour durham to south shields 6x 20s 3x 50s a faster bus than those services may work in my opinion

What about the main link between South Shields and Sunderland during the week it's a busy section of route
(05 Jul 2016, 9:27 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com Wrote: There's 9 buses per hour durham to south shields 6x 20s 3x 50s a faster bus than those services may work in my opinion

There's only 2 50's a Hour, And Hourly on Nightimes ( Doesn't serve past Chester-Le-Street on evenings )

(05 Jul 2016, 9:30 pm)Ds1197 Wrote: What about the main link between South Shields and Sunderland during the week it's a busy section of route

6x 20's and 12x Stagecoach E1/E2 and E6 ( all Half-Hourly )
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X1. Newcastle - Gateshead - washington - hougton le spring - hetton le hole - Easington lane - Easington village - peterlee - blackhall - castle Eden - hartlepool - seaton carew non stop to middlesbrough .
This service will operate every 10 minutes Newcastle to washington.
Then every 20 minutes newcastle to Peterlee.
Every 30 minutes to hartlepool.
Then on a trial basis every hour to Middlesbrough.
The service will operate as normal to Easington lane.
The service will replace service x35 hougton to hartlepool.
Service 20A will replace the link to doxford international.
The service will provide hartlepool a direct bus to middlesbrough.
The service will take around 2 hours 30.
From the x35 loss a new service could be
X56 Dalton park - A19 - ferryboat lane - nissan - Sulgrave - concord non stop to heworth - felling squre - old durham road - Gateshead - newcastle.
This service will provide fast connections.
The only change will be service x36 withdrawn.
20A. Arnison centre - durham non stop to East rainton - rainton bridge - hougton le spring - Doxford international - East herrington - barnes - sunderland - wheatsheaf - southwick - witherwack - red house - downhill - boldon bank - East boldon metro - cleadon village - harton nook - south shields.
This service will operate every 30 minutes with service 20 operating 4x a hour in between the 20a.
This service will operate up to Arnison centre to save connections and give passengers through fares.
The service will be non stop from Durham millburngate to East rainton.
The 20A will stop on north road for trips to Arnison centre.
The service will replace x35,x36.
The service will operate up to boldon bank turning right to east boldon.
Passengers from boldon to heworth can take the 9 to jarrow then change to the 27
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My suggestion involves two particular journeys:

- 18:27 #16 from Stanley to South Stanley St Stephens Church (arr 18:32)
- 18:31 #704 from Stanley to Stanley via South Stanley Avon Road (arr 18:37)

I would withdraw the 18:27 #16 service and replace it with the 18:31 #704 service which would be extended down to St Stephens Church from Avon Road (although the downside is that it would need to miss Avon Road out) running via Hollyhill Gardens before turning back onto Tyne Road and continuing back to the Bus Station as it normally would.

Alternatively, the 704 could be left as it is with the 16 journey still being withdrawn with all passengers having to get the 18:19 #78 down to South Stanley instead.
60. Casletown - keir harde way - wheatsheaf - sunderland interchange - Grangetown - Ryhope village - seaham mill inn - westlea - Strangford road - seaham byron place - spectrum - dalton park - murton - Easington lane - Easington village - peterlee.
This service will operate every 30 minutes between spectrum and casletown.
This service will replace route 36,202
This service will no longer serve dawdon and parkside.
This service will operate evenings and sundays hourly between Sunderland and seaham but will operate to parkside additionaly without serving spectrum.
61.Sunderland - Grangetown - Ryhope - seaham mill inn - westlea - dalton park - murton - hetton le hole.
This service will operate every 10 minutes between Sunderland and dalton park due to service 60 loss.
This service will replace the 265 to hetton every 30 minutes.
On evenings the service will serve hetton le hole but on sundays the service will ternamate at murton.
62. Sunderland - Grangetown - Ryhope - mill inn - strangford road - seaham - dawdon - parkside - strangford road - westlea - dalton le dale - Easington village - peterlee.
This service will replace route 60 and operate as normal to mill inn.
The service will follow the 265 route to Strangford road then will operate a loop around seaham some journeys will operate as far as parkside
The 238 will operate via westlea due to service 62 running up to strangford road.
Service 62 will operate hourly up to west lea.
The service will omit dalton park.
This service replaces the 239 at Easington village.
The service provides competion.
The service will be every 20 minutes between Sunderland and parkside.
Hourly to Peterlee.
65. Parkside - seaham - mill inn - Dalton park - A19 - A690 - hougton le spring - hetton le hole - low moorsley - belmont - durham.
This service will extend to parkside due to the 20 minute frequency a extra bus is needed.
The service will operate non stop dalton park to houghton le spring.
This service will no longer be indigo allowing service 238 to gain the livery.
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X20. Sunderland - Enterprise park - A19- A690 - Belmont - Gilesgte - durham.
This service will give workers a premium fast bus from Enterprise park to areas in Durham.
This service will run non stop from enterprise park to belmont then stopping at all stops to durham.
The service stops at all stops between Sunderland and enterprise park.
This service will operate as a peak service.
Route x50 soccer bus renumbered x47.
New x50.
Boldon - Boldon cinema - waterview park - washington non stop to Arnison centre - durham .
This service will operate at peak times and allow workers a fast route to all destinations .
27. South shields - chichester - tyne dock - bede - jarrow - fellgate - boldon Asda - heworth - Gateshead stadium - Gateshead - newcastle.
This service will operate every 20 minutes and operate as normal to jarrow.
Through the 27 going to boldon deptford 9s will ternamate at boldon with some running on to the x50.
More buses to heworth allowing route 35 and 35a to ternamate at boldon .
This replaces the 93 and 94 to Saltmeadows.
93,94.
93. Jarrow - hebburn - pelaw - heworth - felling squre - qe hospital - team valley - Gateshead .
This service will replace service 27 on the hebburn section then a normal route to Gateshead.
This service will operate every 20 minutes.
Route 94 the same as the 93 but an opposite route.
9. Sunderland - boldon - fellgate - jarrow - north shields.
No change except no deptford runs.
X36. Doxford international - ferryboat lane - north hylton road - downhill - heworth.
This service will operate at peak times with a journey each way.
This service will operate near to route 592 to downhill.
The service will omit boldon but stop at the enterprise van rental for connecting to the x9.
Ternamates at heworth.
9A. Sunderland - fullwell grange - southwick green - red house - downhill - boldon.
This service will operate hourly and replace deptfords 9s
This service will be a last chance for passengers to board in red house and with a new link provided to fullwell
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I do think there's aomething in giving Dalton Park some decent links from further afield. Although it's designed as car user outlet style, itt could certainly benefit from better options, especially with the new development
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(16 Jul 2016, 8:50 pm)Ambassador Wrote: I do think there's aomething in giving Dalton Park some decent links from further afield. Although it's designed as car user outlet style, itt could certainly benefit from better options, especially with the new development

Same with Doxford International despite being a Business Park, the service Washington and other areas is dreadful, making hard to get to. Compared to going to the Quorum Business Park which has an excellent bus service, as does the Cobalt also.
(16 Jul 2016, 9:04 pm)Malarkey Wrote: Same with Doxford International despite being a Business Park, the service Washington and other areas is dreadful, making hard to get to. Compared to going to the Quorum Business Park which has an excellent bus service, as does the Cobalt also.

Quorom and Cobalt support most of the services that run through their Business Parks though, The 309/310 being branded Cobalt Clipper and the former Cobalt Connect brand on the 19 are prime examples, Aswell as Stagecoach's recent Service 22 extension there.
I don't think Doxford Park support any services that run through there, Which leaves the operator to decide for themselves which services/ how frequent run there.
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(16 Jul 2016, 9:23 pm)South Tyne Lad Wrote: Quorom and Cobalt support most of the services that run through their Business Parks though, The 309/310 being branded Cobalt Clipper and the former Cobalt Connect brand on the 19 are prime examples, Aswell as Stagecoach's recent Service 22 extension there.
I don't think Doxford Park support any services that run through there, Which leaves the operator to decide for themselves which services/ how frequent run there.

Which is a shame, as from Washington you only have the 37 once an hour, otherwise you have to either go to Sunderland or Houghton-le-Spring and then jump on the X35 to get there.
(16 Jul 2016, 9:04 pm)Malarkey Wrote: Same with Doxford International despite being a Business Park, the service Washington and other areas is dreadful, making hard to get to. Compared to going to the Quorum Business Park which has an excellent bus service, as does the Cobalt also.

It wasn't that long ago that Washington were sending the X3 (or variation of the X94) through there. It was the Fencehouses express anyway and it terminated at Ryhope Green.
It offered a combined 30 min frequency with the X35 and carried fresh air during the day.

I certainly think a peak service is called for, not sure about all day.
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(16 Jul 2016, 9:23 pm)South Tyne Lad Wrote: Quorom and Cobalt support most of the services that run through their Business Parks though, The 309/310 being branded Cobalt Clipper and the former Cobalt Connect brand on the 19 are prime examples, Aswell as Stagecoach's recent Service 22 extension there.
I don't think Doxford Park support any services that run through there, Which leaves the operator to decide for themselves which services/ how frequent run there.

http://cobaltpark.co.uk/articles/cobaltc...-the-world


Bar some brief input from NCC when the journey getting into Cobalt before 7am from Blyth was briefly withdrawn in 2013, GNE don't seem to have got any funding for the Cobalt Clipper services since 2010 from Cobalt Park, partly down to the reason why the Cobalt Clipper brand was amalgamated into the Battle Hill Drive corridor with the Centurion brand being cleared followed by a revised North Shields - Newcastle service in the form of the 310.

I think the 19 (R19 in former guise) has had some good funding but in around 2009/10 similar to the time when GNE cleaned up the Centurion / Cobalt Clipper brands and merged them under one brand, the funding was cut for the 19. I don't know whether or not it was ever eventually fully cut although NCC has had some input over recent years with the 19.

Ironically about the first note though, GNE did eventually add an additional journey departing Blyth at around 6:30 back in September 2014 (a year later) which was the same time when the frequency increase happened between Blyth and Whitley Bay.
(16 Jul 2016, 9:44 pm)Andreos1 Wrote: It wasn't that long ago that Washington were sending the X3 (or variation of the X94) through there. It was the Fencehouses express anyway and it terminated at Ryhope Green.
It offered a combined 30 min frequency with the X35 and carried fresh air during the day.

I certainly think a peak service is called for, not sure about all day.

Something like the Stagecoach X1 would do the trick heading towards Washington, Gateshead and Newcastle from Doxford International, could have it run off the GNE 4 & X1, 

So you have could have for example.

X2 - Doxford International - Shiney Row - Washington Galleries - Concord - Springwell - Wrekenton - Gateshead - Newcastle
Operating upto Every 30 Minutes at Peak Times (6am to 10am) and (3pm to 7pm).
(16 Jul 2016, 10:04 pm)Malarkey Wrote: Something like the Stagecoach X1 would do the trick heading towards Washington, Gateshead and Newcastle from Doxford International, could have it run off the GNE 4 & X1, 

So you have could have for example.

X2 - Doxford International - Shiney Row - Washington Galleries - Concord - Springwell - Wrekenton - Gateshead - Newcastle
Operating upto Every 30 Minutes at Peak Times (6am to 10am) and (3pm to 7pm).

No Lambton? Wink

I wonder if a route variation to the 37 would work -  operating via Houghton and/or Newbottle and shadowing the X1, covering and filling gaps in its provision caused by rush hour delays.
Then punters have a choice of two services operating two different routes, rather than the X2 and 37 having a similar route.
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(16 Jul 2016, 9:37 pm)Malarkey Wrote: Which is a shame, as from Washington you only have the 37 once an hour, otherwise you have to either go to Sunderland or Houghton-le-Spring and then jump on the X35 to get there.

Similar situation for us in South Tyneside, Our only direct connection to ANY Business Park in Tyne and Wear is the once daily GNE 960 to Waterview Park.
We did have the short lived 939 to Cobalt but that finished literally after it just started.

(16 Jul 2016, 9:44 pm)Andreos1 Wrote: It wasn't that long ago that Washington were sending the X3 (or variation of the X94) through there. It was the Fencehouses express anyway and it terminated at Ryhope Green.
It offered a combined 30 min frequency with the X35 and carried fresh air during the day.

I certainly think a peak service is called for, not sure about all day.

Not specific to this service, But ANE used to send a Pulsar up to Doxford from Eldon Sqaure on a Peak Time Service up to there, With the return in the evening.
Forgot what the number is, But I remember it having a X prefix before the number.

(16 Jul 2016, 10:01 pm)L469 YVK Wrote:
http://cobaltpark.co.uk/articles/cobaltc...-the-world


Bar some brief input from NCC when the journey getting into Cobalt before 7am from Blyth was briefly withdrawn in 2013, GNE don't seem to have got any funding for the Cobalt Clipper services since 2010 from Cobalt Park, partly down to the reason why the Cobalt Clipper brand was amalgamated into the Battle Hill Drive corridor with the Centurion brand being cleared followed by a revised North Shields - Newcastle service in the form of the 310.

I think the 19 (R19 in former guise) has had some good funding but in around 2009/10 similar to the time when GNE cleaned up the Centurion / Cobalt Clipper brands and merged them under one brand, the funding was cut for the 19. I don't know whether or not it was ever eventually fully cut although NCC has had some input over recent years with the 19.

Ironically about the first note though, GNE did eventually add an additional journey departing Blyth at around 6:30 back in September 2014 (a year later) which was the same time when the frequency increase happened between Blyth and Whitley Bay.

I think GNE still have some sort of Partnership with Cobalt regardless of how much funding they provide, Cobalt branding is visible on most/all GNE services that pass through there.
Arriva used/still have a similar partnership with Qurom, Though I don't know If that still exists as other operators have creeped into there. ( Stagecoach Etc )
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(17 Jul 2016, 12:07 am)South Tyne Lad Wrote: Similar situation for us in South Tyneside, Our only direct connection to ANY Business Park in Tyne and Wear is the once daily GNE 960 to Waterview Park.
We did have the short lived 939 to Cobalt but that finished literally after it just started.


Not specific to this service, But ANE used to send a Pulsar up to Doxford from Eldon Sqaure on a Peak Time Service up to there, With the return in the evening.
Forgot what the number is, But I remember it having a X prefix before the number.


I think GNE still have some sort of Partnership with Cobalt regardless of how much funding they provide, Cobalt branding is visible on most/all GNE services that pass through there.
Arriva used/still have a similar partnership with Qurom, Though I don't know If that still exists as other operators have creeped into there. ( Stagecoach Etc )


re Business Parks - what about Boldon Business Park? ;Wink There's Rainton Business Park too and other decent sized ones that I can think of within spitting distance of stops, such as Doxford and Belmont.


re ANE service to Doxford Park (and their only service which served their HQ). It was the X19 off memory.
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(17 Jul 2016, 6:52 am)Andreos1 Wrote: re Business Parks - what about Boldon Business Park? ;Wink There's Rainton Business Park too and other decent sized ones that I can think of within spitting distance of stops, such as Doxford and Belmont.


re ANE service to Doxford Park (and their only service which served their HQ). It was the X19 off memory.

I was the X19 i think it was 2012 it started but got scrapped a year later,quorums not an easy one from anywhere in the wallsend area without having to change bus,then youve got the metro which has been in a state recently,just to add it was the 919  gne ran albeit breifly