Go North East: Service Suggestions v2

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(14 Aug 2022, 5:21 pm)MurdnunoC Wrote: This conversation is starting to make no sense.
Member suggested extending service 50 to Sunderland.  Was then suggested to extend onto Durham fast if so.   Firther suggestions about fast routes Durham/Sunderland/ Shields  Its a suggestion thread, it makes common sense and is not off topic like most other threads
(14 Aug 2022, 5:18 pm)Unber43 Wrote: Tbf the X20 to South Shields makes no sense as the 24 goes the quickest way. The 50 or 60 extended to South Sheields/Sunderland would be best.
Aside from the fact the alternative route goes along the coast and could easily get potential for plenty of passengers from Durham/Rainton/Houghton going to the beach and the shows.

I say potential, because we're introducing it in the autumn, and cutting the service down because of "low passenger numbers" before the summer holidays.
(14 Aug 2022, 5:39 pm)ifm001 Wrote: Member suggested extending service 50 to Sunderland.  Was then suggested to extend onto Durham fast if so.   Firther suggestions about fast routes Durham/Sunderland/ Shields  Its a suggestion thread, it makes common sense and is not off topic like most other threads

The first suggestion was silly. 

The second suggestion, extending an existing service beyond Sunderland to the Coast (like the 164 back in the day), was more sensible 

Extending the X20 along the Coast is fantastical, but then suggesting that it's unfeasible as the 24 offers a more direct link between Sunderland and Shields, thus arguing against the initial premise of the suggestion is nonsensical. 

The poster has undermined their own post.
It would be much easier to change the tickets instead, just saying so you could use a GNE service, then use a Stagecoach service without losing an arm and a leg if coming from outside of T&W
X50 Durham to South Shields. Every 30 minutes. PVR = 3. 1h 10m end to end.
Durham, Sacriston, Plawsworth, Chester le Street, Galleries, concord, Amazon, port of Tyne, South Shields.

See below for rough timings and proposed route with stops shown.

   

   
(11 Aug 2022, 10:47 pm)N1cholas Wrote: Wont be long and the X20 will probably get scrapped with the 20 extended to Langley park every 30 mins as a 20A also running via rainton bridge to save the complaints, seems pointless having so many buses on the same corridor to Durham
Well that didnt take long to come around, the change says temporarily but you can guarantee it will be permanent, can see the X20 citaros getting withdrawn too in the near future
Bit of brainstorming ideas to further my 61/61A/62/63/X63 post a few pages back (aware some of these I've already posted). Not sure how this'd affect a chronic driver shortage so assume this is in a world where that's been solved:
- 2/2A: Withdrawn between City Centre & Silksworth (see 42 and 43)
- 20/20A/X20: Keep upcoming September changes to 20/A. X20 runs limited stop throughout between Durham and Sunderland only, NOT via Rainton Bridge or Doxford Int (short services transferred to 55) with seasonal limited stop extension along coast to Shields. All three routes combine to give 10-minute departure interval from Durham and Sunderland.
- 24: Withdrawn (see 35/A)
- 33: Diverted via Royal Hospital, possible extension to Washington Galleries via Silksworth Road, Herrington, Shiney Row & Fatfield Road.
- 35/35A: Withdrawn north of Sunderland (see 42), instead re-instated back to Shields to replace 24. 35A runs half-hourly in the day to new route; As 35 to Sunderland, then as current 35A to Board Inn, then A690, High Lane, Newbottle, then as 35 to Houghton, then as current X20 to Rainton Bridge. 35 and 35A combine for a 15-minute frequency on common sections.
- 38: Withdrawn (see 42)
- 42: New route to "hoover up" the withdrawn sections of routes 2, 35 and 38 - serving Ryhope Road (full length) and Park Lane, rather than Toward Road.
- 43: Direct replacement for withdrawn section of 2A. Terminates in City Centre and ideally would interwork with 42.
- 55: Re-instated between South Hetton and Sunderland, via Doxford Int and Royal Hospital. Peak-time X55 serves Peterlee and Easington Village, then non-stop to Doxford Int (+ evening return).

X20 stops: South Shields Metro > All stops via B1344 and A183 to Souter Lighthouse > Marsden Primary School > Whitburn Library > Seaburn Morrisons > Roker Park > Harboru View/Pier View > National Glass Centre > Wheatsheaf (NB only)/St Peters Metro (SB only) > Fawcett St/John St > Vine Place/Holmeside > Park Lane > Sunderland College > Prospect Lidl > Board Inn > Houghton newbottle Street > Houghton Church > Belmont Dene Drive > Then as current X20
The only issues would be changeovers, unless the drivers leave the vehicles and switch at Sheilds.
Shhh. Details Tongue
A few ideas.

X1/X2.

Both services combine to make a 15 minute service. X1 Current route to Easington Lane. One Journey an hour continues to Peterlee.
X2 As X1 route to Washington then will operate non Stop to Dalton Park then one journey an hour continues via A19 to Hartlepool via Hart Village and Hart Station. Services to inter work at Eldon Square.

X6 Will operate half hourly between Sunderland and Peterlee. One journey an hour will continue to Hartlepool.

X7 Will return as hourly service between Sunderland and Middlesbrough. It will no longer serve Seaham though and will operate limited stop between Sunderland and Dalton Park then continues to Peterlee via A19. Will then operate via Old X9 route to Middlesbrough Bus Station.

X9/X10 X9 will return via New Route of Yarm into Stockton then operates non stop to Peterlee bus Station then via A19 to Heworth.
X10 will operate current route from Middlesbrough to Billingham then direct to Dalton Park and Newcastle.

21 22 Some 21 journeys renumbered to 22. Service 22 to operate via Harlow Green with all journeys terminating at Chester Le Street.
21 will continue to Durham but no longer runs to Brandon.
New service 68. This will run Half hourly between Brandon and Arnison Centre via North Road.

X21. All journeys to terminate at Bishop Auckland. It will now serve Angel of the North.
New Service X22. Will operate similar route as X21 but will then be non stop between Chester Le Street and Durham then limited stop between Durham and Bishop Auckland. From Bishop Auckland will run limited stop to Darlington.

X66 - will extend from Gateshead interchange to Heworth
New service X65 Will operate from Metrocentre to the Sage and Gateshead quayside ( if there is a suitable terminus there ).

New service 11 will inter work with service 10 but as fast links limited stop service. From Metro centre will operate to Gateshead Interchange instead of Newcastle.

Service X55. Will operate limited stop from Sunderland to Hartlepool via Doxford Park, Houghton Le Spring, Hetton, Easington Village, Peterlee, Hordon and Hartlepool.
Unlike the previous 55 this will be a limited stop express service and continuing to provide links.
1/2 Coaster (every 12 mins combined)
1 - Wardley - Heworth - Leam Lane Estate - Beacon Lough Estate - Queen Elizabeth Hospital - Gateshead - Newcastle - Wallsend - Howden - North Shields - Tynemouth - Whitley Bay (every 20 mins)
2 - Gateshead - Newcastle - Wallsend - A19 - SilverLink - Cobalt - Shiremoor - Earson - Whitley Bay (every 30 mins)

2A/2B/2C Sunderland to Washington (every 10 mins combined) (Silver Arrows)

2A - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Thorney Close - Tay Road - Grindon - Hastings Hill - Washington 
2B - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Hylton Road - Pennywell - Washington 
2C - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Barmston - Washington 

X8/8 Country Ranger 
8 - Sunderland - Wessington Way - Waterview Park - Washington - Chester-le-Street - Pelton Fell - Stanley (every 30 mins)
X8 - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Waterview Park - Washington - CLS - Stanley (every 60 mins) 

Sunderland-Durham (Prince Bishops & Xlines Prince Bishops)
20 - Sunderland - Gilley Law - Farringdon - East Herrington - A690 - Houghton - Rainton - Durham (every 30 mins)
20A - Sunderland - Tunstall Road - Thornhill - Thorney Close - East Herrington - Houghton - Rainton Bridge - Rainton - Durham - Arnison Centre (every 30 mins)
20B - Sunderland - Hospital  - Grindon - A19 - A690 - Houghton - Raintons - Durham - Langley Park (every 30 mins)
X20 Sunderland - A690 - Houghton - Durham - Bowburn Amazon (every 30 mins) 

21 Angel
21 Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-le-Street (combined every 10 mins)
21 Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-le-Street - Arnison Centre - Durham (combined every 20 mins)
21 Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-le-Street - Arnison Centre - Durham - Bear Park Esh Winning (combined every 60 mins)
21 Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-le-Street - Arnison Centre - Durham - Bowburn - Ferryhill - Sedgefield (combined every 60 mins)

23/24/5/26 Shields Rider
23 - Sunderland - Roker - Whitburn - Horsley Hill - South Shields  

24 - Sunderland - Cleadon - South Shields
5 - Jarrow - Felgate - Boldon Asda - Cleadon Village - South Tyneside Hospital - Chichester - South Shields 
26 - South Shields - Chichester - South Tyneside Hospital - South Leam - Valley View - Jarrow - Hebburn - Monkton Lane Estate - Lukes Lane Estate

28/29/71
28 Newcastle - Gateshead - Wrekenton (28) - Birtley (28) - Pelton - Beamish Museum - Grange Villa - Chester-le-Street - Great Lumley - Fence Houses - Houghton - Seaton - Seaham
29 Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley (29) - Kibblesworth (29) - Ouston (29) - Pelton - Beamish Museum - Grange Villa - Chester-le-Street


35/36 
35 - Houghton - East Herrington - A690 - Royal Hospital - Sunderland - Fulwell - Cleadon - Boldon - Follingsby - Heworth 
36 - Houghton - Penshaw - Hylton - Pennywell - Sunderland - Southwick - Castletown - Town End Farm - Follingsby - Heworth


37/38/39 Pennywell - Doxford Park (Doxford Park Clipper)
37 - Sunderland - Millfield - Ford Estate - Pennywell - Springwell - East Herrington - Doxford Park - Hall Farm - Tunstall Bank - Ryhope - Queen Alexandra Road - Sunderland (every 15 mins)

38 - Sunderland - Queen Alexandra Road - Ryhope - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - East Herrington - Springwell - Pennywell  - Ford Estate - Millfield -Sunderland (every 15 mins)

39/40 East Sunderland Explorer
39 Sunderland - A690 - Silksworth - Doxford - Farringdon - Thorney - A690 - Hospital - Sunderland (every 20 mins)
40 - Sunderland - Hospital - A690 - Thorney - Farringdon - Doxford - Silksworth - A690 - to Sunderland - Sunderland (every 20 mins) 

42/43 Every 12 mins (Simplicity)

42 - Sunderland Park Lane - Grangetown - Silksworth - Hall Farm (3ph)
43 - Sunderland Park Lane - Leechmere Asda - Silksworth (2ph)

46/47/47A/48 Red Kite Ranger 

47 - Consett - Blackhall Mill - High Spen - Rowlands Gill - Winlaton - Blaydon - Benwell - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
46 - Consett - Blackhall Mill - High Spen - Greenside - Crawcrook - Blaydon - Metrocentre - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
47A - Consett - Blackhall Mill - High Spen - Winlaton - Blaydon - Benwell - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
48 - Winlaton - Blaydon - Newcastle Business Park - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
47 Reduced to Hourly

50/X50 Seasider 
50 - South Shields - Chichester - Boldon Colliery - Nissan - Concord - Washington - Chester-le-Street - Waldridge - Arnison Centre - Framwellgate Moor - Durham
X50 - South Shields - Newcastle Road - Leam Lane - Concord - Washington - CLS - Arnison Centre - Framwellgate Moor - Durham (Peak Time extension to Bowburn Amazon)


51/52 Cross Tyne
51 - Chapel Park - Blakelaw - Newcastle - Gateshead - CarHill - Heworth - Fewster Square - Springwell Estate - Wrekenton - Gateshead - Newcastle - Arthurs Hill - Denton Chapel House - Chapel Park 

52 Chapel Park - Chapel House - Denton - Arthurs Hill - Newcastle - Gateshead - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate - Fewster Square - Heworth - Carhill - Gateshead - Newcastle - Blakelaw - Chapel Park

55 (Valley Rover)
55 - Sunderland - Doxford Park - Houghton - West Rainton - Low Moorsley - South Hetton (every 30 mins)

56 (CityRider, Xlines CityRider)
56 - Sunderland - High Southwick - Rehouse - Townend Farm - Nissan - Concord - Usworth - Follingsby (continue as the 58 route) reduce the 58 to every 30 mins. - Eldon Square (every 30 mins)
56A - Sunderland - Southwick - Hylton Castle - Hertburn - Donwell - Springwell - QE - Gateshead - Newcastle Eldon Square (Every 30 Mins)

X56 - Sunderland - A690 - Doxford Park - 39B Washington - Follingsby - Heworth - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)

60 (Drifter) X60 (Drifter Express) 62 (EastDurham Connect) 65/65 (East Durham Explorer)
60 - Sunderland - Grangetown - Ryhope - New Seaham - Seaham - Dawdon - Parkside  (every 12 mins)
X60 Sunderland - Doxford Park - Seaton - Station Road - Deneside - Seaham - Princess Road - Parkside (every 60 mins) 

62 - Sunderland - Doxford Park - Seaham - Dawdon - Dalton Park - Murton - Easington - Peterlee (every 60 mins) 
65 - Seaham - Station Road - Dalton Park - Hetton - Low Moorsley - Durham (every 30 mins)
65A - Seaham - Deneside - Dalton Park - Murton - Low Moorsley - High Pittington - Sherburn Village - Durham (every 60 mins)

61/61A (Combine every 30 mins)

61/61A - Sunderland - A690 - Queen Alexandra Road - Leechmere Asda - Hollicarside - New Seaham - Murton - Easington - Haswell (61) - Shotton - (61) - South Hetton (61A) - Bracket Hill  - Peterlee Bus Station - 61 (209 route) 61A (210 Route). 

309/310/311 Cobalt & Coast
309 - Newcastle - Coast Road  Cobalt Park - Whitley Bay - Blyth 
310 - Newcastle - Coast Road - Cobalt Park - North Shields - Jarrow - Follingsby - Heworth (hourly extension to heworth)
311 - Newcastle - Coast Road - Hadrian Park 

X1/X2/X3/X4/X5 Combined every 10 mins Xlines Red Arrows
X1 Newcastle - Gateshead - Washington - Houghton - Hetton - Easington Lane (every 30 mins) 

X2 Newcastle - Gateshead - Washington - Waterview Park - Houghton - Hetton - Easington Lane - Easington Village - Peterlee - Wingate (every 60 mins)
X3 Newcastle - Gateshead - Washington - Houghton - Seaham - Dalton Park (every 60 mins) 
X4 Newcastle - Gateshead - Washington - Houghton Bournmoor - Rainton - Hetton - Easington Lane (every 60 mins)
X5 Newcastle - Gateshead - Washington - Oxclose - Houghton - Hetton - Hartlepool (every 60 mins)

X6/X7 Combined every 15 (Xlines Wear Express)
X6 Sunderland - Seaham - Dalton Park - Peterlee - Shotton - Hartlepool (every 30 mins) 
X7 Sunderland - Seaham - Dalton Park - Peterlee - Shotton - Bowburn Amazon - Durham - Chester-le-Street (every 30 mins)
X8 Sunderland - Seaham - Dalton Park - Peterlee - Wingate - Norton - Stockton - Middlesbrough (every 60 mins)

X9/X10/X11 Combine Every 20 Xlines 
X9 - Newcastle - Central Station - Gateshead - Heworth - Peterlee - Billingham - Stockton - Middlesbrough 
X10 - Newcastle - Central Station - Gateshead - Heworth - Stockton - Middlesbrough - Redcar
X11 - Newcastle - Central Station - Gateshead - Seaham - Dalton Park - Hartlepool - Middlesbrough 


X21/X22
X21 Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Durham - Spennymoor - Bishop Auckland - Tindale Crescent - West Auckland (every 30 mins)
X22 Newcastle - Gateshead - Low Fell - Chester-Le-Street - Durham - Brandon - Willington - Crook (every 30 mins)

X45 

X45 Newcastle - Metrocentre - Rowlands Gill - Hamsterley Bank Top - Shotley Bridge - Blackhill - Consett (every 20 mins) 


- All Peterlee Local Services Remove 
- 57 withdrawn
A suggestion for the X10 or whatever incarnation comes about when they notice it's f**ked...

Send it through Easington village via Hawthorn, can't imagine it would have too much of a time penalty as it's pretty much going the same way on a parallel A19. Going northbound you have the option to go straight up the A19 after the green, southbound you wouldn't need to double back to the A19 after Dalton Park.
(Yesterday, 1:22 am)omnicity4659 Wrote: A suggestion for the X10 or whatever incarnation comes about when they notice it's f**ked...

Send it through Easington village via Hawthorn, can't imagine it would have too much of a time penalty as it's pretty much going the same way on a parallel A19. Going northbound you have the option to go straight up the A19 after the green, southbound you wouldn't need to double back to the A19 after Dalton Park.


Is it fucked, or is it doing better financially now than before?


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(Yesterday, 6:37 am)Dan Wrote: Is it fucked, or is it doing better financially now than before?


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And if it is 'doing better financially now than before', how sustainable will that be?

You've consolidated loads from two services in to one, lengthened the journey and eventually (I'll give you the lottery numbers on Saturday if you want), numbers will fall to a level that isn't financially sustainable - because the service doesn't meet their needs.

The link between Teesside and Tyneside will need improving and adapting in the future.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
(Yesterday, 11:27 am)Andreos1 Wrote: And if it is 'doing better financially now than before', how sustainable will that be?

You've consolidated loads from two services in to one, lengthened the journey and eventually (I'll give you the lottery numbers on Saturday if you want), numbers will fall to a level that isn't financially sustainable - because the service doesn't meet their needs.

The link between Teesside and Tyneside will need improving and adapting in the future.

The Northern service of Newcastle -> Chester Le Street -> Durham -> Stockton -> Thornaby -> Middlesbrough should be the answer imo. Especially now that the XC trains are down to hourly so there's a free path. Would help the locals in Waldridge who have had their services pissed about more times than ever to get places aswell.

Believe it only takes 55 minutes that way rather than the 85 mins at best the current ways.
(Yesterday, 11:48 am)Storx Wrote: The Northern Connect service of Newcastle -> Chester Le Street -> Durham -> Stockton -> Thornaby -> Middlesbrough should be the answer imo. Especially now that the XC trains are down to hourly so there's a free path. Would help the locals in Waldridge who have had their services pissed about more times than ever to get places aswell.

Believe it only takes 55 minutes that way rather than the 85 mins at best the current ways.

The Northern Connect network isn’t happening now - it was scrapped the moment Northern went over to Direct Operated Railway control.
(Yesterday, 12:01 pm)Kuyoyo Wrote: The Northern Connect network isn’t happening now - it was scrapped the moment Northern went over to Direct Operated Railway control.

Yeah your right, not sure why I added Connect there was just thinking of the route, amended the post so it's right. I do believe they were still trying to get the service beyond the takeover until it got blocked because of lack of paths.
(Yesterday, 12:53 am)Unber43 Wrote: 46/47/47A/48 Red Kite Ranger 
47 - Consett - Blackhall Mill - High Spen - Rowlands Gill - Winlaton - Blaydon - Benwell - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
46 - Consett - Blackhall Mill - High Spen - Greenside - Crawcrook - Blaydon - Metrocentre - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
47A - Consett - Blackhall Mill - High Spen - Winlaton - Blaydon - Benwell - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
48 - Winlaton - Blaydon - Newcastle Business Park - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
47 Reduced to Hourly

X45 
X45 Newcastle - Metrocentre - Rowlands Gill - Hamsterley Bank Top - Shotley Bridge - Blackhill - Consett (every 20 mins) 


- All Peterlee Local Services Remove 
- 57 withdrawn

unless the X45 will pass it that leaves winlaton mill without a bus service…
(Yesterday, 12:32 pm)ALavery Wrote: unless the X45 will pass it that leaves winlaton mill without a bus service…
It would, I just missed it out
If the 12 remains every 30 minutes, would this not be an option?

Services 10/10A:
- 10 every 30 minutes
- 10A runs the current 10B route every 30 minutes
- Every 15 combined

Service 11:
- Returns to near enough original route
- Every 30 minutes but timed at Blaydon for connections to Metrocentre via 10/10A
- Combines every 15 mins with service 12 between Blaydon and Newcastle

Service 12:
- Remains the same