Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
(07 Aug 2017, 4:49 pm)AIG20 Wrote: Information from "Steven Knight Media - Fleet News Ramblings":


Here is a picture of 22071 (NK54 BFX) by Steven Hodgson, John Soutar & Mark McCann.
[url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/nebp2/36380745046/][/url]
Is there a reason why non of the withdrawn 03/53 plate MANs have been disposed of yet - some of which have been withdrawn for a year.

I'm sure that the last time I checked 22012 was withdrawn, although it performed the 13:55 X47 service to Kingston Park from Eldon Square. Also the Kinetics don't seem to be out as much now, only seen 22514 on the 100.

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
(07 Aug 2017, 4:49 pm)AIG20 Wrote: Information from "Steven Knight Media - Fleet News Ramblings":


Here is a picture of 22071 (NK54 BFX) by Steven Hodgson, John Soutar & Mark McCann.
[url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/nebp2/36380745046/][/url]
Is there a reason why non of the withdrawn 03/53 plate MANs have been disposed of yet - some of which have been withdrawn for a year.

Scarp Value is at an all-time low at present - as most scrapyards are full.

(07 Aug 2017, 4:56 pm)S830OFT Wrote: I'm sure that the last time I checked 22012 was withdrawn, although it performed the 13:55 X47 service to Kingston Park from Eldon Square. Also the Kinetics don't seem to be out as much now, only seen 22514 on the 100.

22012 is now at Slatyford for future use as their Route Learning Vehicle (RLV) - which obviously doesn't require the modifications its younger sisters are getting to become Training Vehicle. For now, it is obviously still seeing use in front line service (as is Stockton's future RLV - 22026).

What I would like to see happen however is for 22012, 22026 and Sunderland's RLV 34611 - is for them to be painted into Training Livery but remain service-ready. Then you have an additional spare vehicle on hand which is advertising the training division if/when it is required in main-line service.

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
(07 Aug 2017, 6:49 pm)Kuyoyo Wrote: Scarp Value is at an all-time low at present - as most scrapyards are full.

I assume bus dealers/resellers such as Ensign mustn't be offering much for them as well?

Maybe they could use parts from the ones in the worst condition to fix and refurb the others to up the value or possibly allow them to be transferred to another stagecoach division.

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
(07 Aug 2017, 7:00 pm)AIG20 Wrote: I assume bus dealers/resellers such as Ensign mustn't be offering much for them as well?

Maybe they could use parts from the ones in the worst condition to fix and refurb the others to up the value or possibly allow them to be transferred to another stagecoach division.

I would guess the market is knackered at the moment.

There will be all of non-dda stuff in the scrap yards and with the financial incentives to buy new - alongside the emissions targets in the big cities, the big boys will be flooding the market with their older stuff.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
Surely they could have got rid of some of them though, even at the low price as opposed to having around 30 buses just sitting in storage waiting to be scrapped. They seemed to get rid of 22214/5 and 22673 quick enough though

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
(07 Aug 2017, 8:06 pm)Dans_bus_photos Wrote: Surely they could have got rid of some of them though, even at the low price as opposed to having around 30 buses just sitting in storage waiting to be scrapped. They seemed to get rid of 22214/5 and 22673 quick enough though

And you don't see Go North East holding off from selling their buses? Once they've been stripped of any parts required, they go!

Can't look great on Stagecoach's books?

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
(07 Aug 2017, 8:10 pm)Dan Wrote: And you don't see Go North East holding off from selling their buses? Once they've been stripped of any parts required, they go!

Can't look great on Stagecoach's books?

You could say the same about Sunderland now having 3 'reserve' vehicles? They only had 1 before the latest service changes when the PVR was reduced...

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
Does the 118 share a board with the 39. I saw 19647 on both routes today.

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
(07 Aug 2017, 8:06 pm)Dans_bus_photos Wrote: Surely they could have got rid of some of them though, even at the low price as opposed to having around 30 buses just sitting in storage waiting to be scrapped. They seemed to get rid of 22214/5 and 22673 quick enough though

It depends what the book value of the buses is - if they are still valued at £20k each on the books, selling them for scrap for £1k or so each won't look good on Stagecoach books either.

I can't see there being much interest in used MAN single decks either.

#30
RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
The double decker gas bus is currently parked up at Hastings Hill with an engineer on board, its facing towards Sunderland.

Update:

My friend has just passed and its still at Hastings Hill.
Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
(07 Aug 2017, 4:49 pm)AIG20 Wrote: Information from "Steven Knight Media - Fleet News Ramblings":


Here is a picture of 22071 (NK54 BFX) by Steven Hodgson, John Soutar & Mark McCann.
[url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/nebp2/36380745046/][/url]
Is there a reason why non of the withdrawn 03/53 plate MANs have been disposed of yet - some of which have been withdrawn for a year.


Three people to take a photo?!

(07 Aug 2017, 8:06 pm)Dans_bus_photos Wrote: Surely they could have got rid of some of them though, even at the low price as opposed to having around 30 buses just sitting in storage waiting to be scrapped. They seemed to get rid of 22214/5 and 22673 quick enough though

They weren't DDA were they. No reason why the newer ones should go for scrap if they are intact.

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
(09 Aug 2017, 11:21 am)Cock Robin Wrote: They weren't DDA were they. No reason why the newer ones should go for scrap if they are intact.

They might be intact but since they haven't even sold 1 since they were withdrawn is making me think no one is interested in them. They cant just leave them standing around forever just because they don't want to scrap them

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
(09 Aug 2017, 5:16 pm)Dans_bus_photos Wrote: They might be intact but since they haven't even sold 1 since they were withdrawn is making me think no one is interested in them. They cant just leave them standing around forever just because they don't want to scrap them

Book Value comes into effect. With Scarp value at a low price at present, it's no good selling vehicles that have a value of £20k still for just £1k (or less). The likely reason why 22214/5/673 departed so soon is that they will have had little or no book value therefore they would actually have seen the company earn something for their sale.

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
(09 Aug 2017, 5:16 pm)Dans_bus_photos Wrote: They might be intact but since they haven't even sold 1 since they were withdrawn is making me think no one is interested in them. They cant just leave them standing around forever just because they don't want to scrap them

Arriva do a pretty good job of it! The MPDs at Redcar have been there for 3-4 years!

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
(09 Aug 2017, 6:08 pm)Kuyoyo Wrote: Book Value comes into effect. With Scarp value at a low price at present, it's no good selling vehicles that have a value of £20k still for just £1k (or less). The likely reason why 22214/5/673 departed so soon is that they will have had little or no book value therefore they would actually have seen the company earn something for their sale.

Poor planning by Stagecoach, then? If a batch of buses had such a high book value, the company should not have planned to replace them, especially if there was little chance of them being sold on for further use or transferred elsewhere within the group.

It won't be keeping the company's accountants happy either way - making a loss on a bus when selling it due to it having such a high book value, or a revenue-earning asset sat dormant in the corner of a depot depreciating.

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
(09 Aug 2017, 8:00 pm)Dan Wrote: Poor planning by Stagecoach, then? If a batch of buses had such a high book value, the company should not have planned to replace them, especially if there was little chance of them being sold on for further use or transferred elsewhere within the group.

It won't be keeping the company's accountants happy either way - making a loss on a bus when selling it due to it having such a high book value, or a revenue-earning asset sat dormant in the corner of a depot depreciating.

It's doesn't seem to be the most efficient way for Stagecoach to do things. 

But considering 'Sir' Souter and his sister own 55% of ADL, and its their products Stagecoach are buying, it may be part of a bigger play of how Barry (I think he'd hate that nickname  Big Grin ) moves his money around. 

If Souter inflates Stagecoach's new vehicle order to boost ADL's profits, he could have a double win by reducing the profit, on paper, Stagecoach makes - therefore paying less tax. The accountants don't mind as all the money is still there, just in the form of MANs rather than tax bills.....just a theory.

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
Scania have put an article on their web site about the gas bus trial currently taking place with Stagecoach in Sunderland. Details in the link below:-

https://www.scania.com/uk/en/home/experi...rland.html

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
One of the 100 branded Enviro's had expired near Grosvenor casino this morning, passengers and driver appeared to be waiting for a replacement

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
Has anyone seen the gas bus demonstrator, today?

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RE: Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - August 2017
(12 Aug 2017, 12:11 pm)Dan Wrote: Has anyone seen the gas bus demonstrator, today?

It was the 1155 off Newcastle, so from
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