Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - July 2018
#1
Surprised 4899 hasn't been withdrawn yet, with a 5204 going to Riverside.
#2
(01/07/2018, 12:43)Michael Wrote: Surprised 4899 hasn't been withdrawn yet, with a 5204 going to Riverside.

It was withdrawn in May? Huh
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(01/07/2018, 12:43)Michael Wrote: Surprised 4899 hasn't been withdrawn yet, with a 5204 going to Riverside.

(01/07/2018, 13:14)S813 FVK Wrote: It was withdrawn in May? Huh

Keep up at the back there Michael  Rolleyes
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(01/07/2018, 13:14)S813 FVK Wrote: It was withdrawn in May? Huh

Was it?, shows how much I've took notice lately  Tongue Tongue
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(01/07/2018, 12:43)Michael Wrote: Surprised 4899 hasn't been withdrawn yet, with a 5204 going to Riverside.

Oh Michael.


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(01/07/2018, 13:41)Andreos1 Wrote: Oh Michael.

Actually i'm sure someone said it was wrong.....  Wink
#7
(01/07/2018, 13:42)Michael Wrote: Actually i'm sure someone said it was wrong.....  Wink

Taxed till next year according to the DVLA.
https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/ViewVehicle

Mind they still have it as 'green'...
#8
(01/07/2018, 17:55)Andreos1 Wrote: Taxed till next year according to the DVLA.
https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/ViewVehicle

Mind they still have it as 'green'...

As you'll already know, but to benefit those who don't given it seems to have been quite a misconception on other forums, the vehicle tax can be refunded.

The costs associated with preparing a bus for MOT, especially of that age, cannot. 4899's MOT has now expired (it did back in May, although not from the originally quoted date) and won't be renewed - unless a preservationist wants to take it on and put it through test themselves!
#9
(30/06/2018, 00:30)Multi21 Wrote: Seven buses are going up to Go North East ready for the Tall Ships Races. They are buses 586 (6938), 594 (6939), 595 (6940), 650 (6936), 652 (6935), 654 (6937) and 667 (6941) (Go North East fleet numbers in brackets). https://t.co/Xw2orGA5YF

Source - East Yorkshire Enthusiast Twitter Page

6935 and 6937 were collected by Go North East this afternoon. The remaining five are expected to transfer north next weekend.

[Image: 43082273192_b68584db1e.jpg]Go North East: 6935 / X508EGK by Daniel Graham, on Flickr
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(01/07/2018, 18:35)Dan Wrote: 6935 and 6937 were collected by Go North East this afternoon. The remaining five are expected to transfer north next weekend.

[Image: 43082273192_b68584db1e.jpg]Go North East: 6935 / X508EGK by Daniel Graham, on Flickr

When will the Solo's and Omnidekka's enter service?
#11
719 has entered service at Peterlee and was on the 265 today - https://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalark...ed-public/
#12
When do the new omnidekkas start service?
#13
Has anyone been on Angel 6318 recently? I’ve happened to be on it 2 or 3 times in the last couple of days and it seems to be saying ‘This is the Angel 21 service to (wherever)’ a lot more than usual. Sometimes twice within a minute, and while approaching or at a stop, then again as soon as it pulls away.
Must be a fault?
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(03/07/2018, 18:16)ne14ne1 Wrote: Has anyone been on Angel 6318 recently? I’ve happened to be on it 2 or 3 times in the last couple of days and it seems to be saying ‘This is the Angel 21 service to (wherever)’ a lot more than usual. Sometimes twice within a minute, and while approaching or at a stop, then again as soon as it pulls away. 
Must be a fault?

On all buses with the newer Next Stop Announcement system, the "This is the xx service to yy" announcement is played whenever the doors of the bus are closed. Just a trial for now, based on feedback and requests.

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(03/07/2018, 18:16)ne14ne1 Wrote: Has anyone been on Angel 6318 recently? I’ve happened to be on it 2 or 3 times in the last couple of days and it seems to be saying ‘This is the Angel 21 service to (wherever)’ a lot more than usual. Sometimes twice within a minute, and while approaching or at a stop, then again as soon as it pulls away.
Must be a fault?

I noticed that when I was on 5400 the other day, although it was on the 28.......

"This is your Black Cats 2 service to Sunderland"
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(03/07/2018, 19:07)LeeCalder Wrote: I noticed that when I was on 5400 the other day, although it was on the 28.......

"This is your Black Cats 2 service to Sunderland"

Sounds like the driver had inputted the wrong destination, intentionally or accidentally, and the system hadn't defaulted back to the "unrecognised journey" (because the 28 doesn't have announcements programmed).

This is a system fault on a handful of buses across the patch which the equipment supplier has been looking into for a while now - but drivers should know that if they return to the "Not in Service" display then to their correct route, that this problem goes away, if they do have one of the buses with this fault.

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My first impression of this is that every stop is probably a bit excessive, although I don't want to come across as disregarding the needs of those who rely on such systems. I will try and get out and about to listen to them myself, although I can't see my opinion changing.

With some stops being so close together, the announcement may just delay the next announcement, making the current issue of announcements finishing at the bus stop itself (unavoidable, I know) even worse. "Tyne Road East" and "Tyne Road" when heading towards Stanley on the 16 is a good example of this, as is "Avon Road - Keir Hardie Avenue" and "Avon Road" in the opposite direction.

It will, however, cure the issue of the 'This is the...' announcement not being heard by passengers at the start of a route because of the normal procedure of destinations being set before the driver allows passengers to board.
#18
(03/07/2018, 18:25)Dan Wrote: On all buses with the newer Next Stop Announcement system, the "This is the xx service to yy" announcement is played whenever the doors of the bus are closed. Just a trial for now, based on feedback and requests.

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Ah, unless it was because the driver reopened the doors to let some last second passengers on. It was a little annoying though as he happened to reopen the doors at 2 or 3 stops in a row, so it played twice each time.

I'm all for the idea but maybe if they go ahead with it properly they could do it on GPS(?) like the next stop lines, rather than on the doors opening/closing?
Also a shortened version (like London's) would be much more suitable/less annoying if played so regularly - i.e simply: "21, to, Newcastle", rather than "This is the Angel 21 service, to Newcastle".
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(03/07/2018, 19:43)S813 FVK Wrote: My first impression of this is that every stop is probably a bit excessive, although I don't want to come across as disregarding the needs of those who rely on such systems. I will try and get out and about to listen to them myself, although I can't see my opinion changing.

With some stops being so close together, the announcement may just delay the next announcement, making the current issue of announcements finishing at the bus stop itself (unavoidable, I know) even worse. "Tyne Road East" and "Tyne Road" when heading towards Stanley on the 16 is a good example of this, as is "Avon Road - Keir Hardie Avenue" and "Avon Road" in the opposite direction.

It will, however, cure the issue of the 'This is the...' announcement not being heard by passengers at the start of a route because of the normal procedure of destinations being set before the driver allows passengers to board.

(03/07/2018, 19:47)ne14ne1 Wrote: Ah, unless it was because the driver reopened the doors to let some last second passengers on. It was a little annoying though as he happened to reopen the doors at 2 or 3 stops in a row, so it played twice each time.

I'm all for the idea but maybe if they go ahead with it properly they could do it on GPS(?) like the next stop lines, rather than on the doors opening/closing?
Also a shortened version (like London's) would be more suitable/less annoying if played so regularly - i.e simply: "21, to, Newcastle", rather than "This is the Angel 21 service, to Newcastle".

The announcement was previously programmed in manually (let's say GPS-driven as per your suggestion, for lack of a simple explanation), at certain stops (usually timing points or stops which a lot of people tend to use), but as Go North East now have more than 400 journeys programmed in their systems, it was becoming harder and harder to keep control of.

It has been requested several times recently that this announcement is played more often, and with a little bit more consistency, rather than just "as and when". It instills confidence in visually-impaired passengers that they have boarded the correct bus, and are heading to the correct destination. The next step will be to have more detailed announcements leaving timing points, similar to those already in use on the X9/X10 and X84/X85, giving some brief details on the main calling points of the route and/or on approach to a major interchange point, but these announcements for now are just a trial to gather some feedback. Thus far there's been very little negative feedback received but it's early days, with the new media only being uploaded to buses over the weekend.

In full agreement that this announcement would be much too excessive if it were played at every single bus stop, and that's why the system doesn't do that. This announcement is (or should be) only triggered after the bus is fully stopped, doors are opened, and the doors are closed again, before continuing the usual "next stop" announcement once the bus reaches a 40m radius away from the previous stop. I believe Oxford Bus Company use a similar set-up for their announcements. Clearly on a route like the 21, the bus does stop at the majority of stops, but this is pretty unique as most services will bypass several stops before an intending passenger flags down the bus. The idea behind this being that this is when passengers have boarded the bus, although it's inevitable that it will also happen when passengers alight and nobody boards (this is unavoidable). On a night when buses stop less often, the doors will be opened (and hence closed) a lot less often, and therefore this announcement won't be played then. I'd doubt many visually-impaired passengers are using Go North East's services late at night, so there's no massive loss here.

Also agree that the shorter London-like announcement may be better - trial and error for now to see what works the best.

It shouldn't delay any other announcements, as if the system detects that the GPS radius is too small between stops, it shouldn't announce anything (but the visual display will work). Clearly speed of the bus will play a part in this too, which the system is unable to detect.

The final stop on the route will always now be announced as where the bus terminates, another announcement which has been requested quite often.
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It seems to be playing when the doors open and close, well the DD streetlite was yesterday (5450)

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