Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded

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In the live Q&A, it was mentioned that the X1 PVR is 14. I've had a look and it's actually 13 unless the 14th is a misc working which will be allocated an X-Lines E400MMC to ensure consistency.
The Volvo Olympians were stirling performers on the X10 (and X9).

Spectras were trialled for a little bit but their London Spec meant their top speed was a bit low.

Then before that you had Cummins L10 Olympians on the X10, but age was a factor in taking them off.

Before that the X1/X10 when United / Tees and Northern it was a mixture of Olympians (Cummins from Go and Gardener from NEB), Metrobuses (Go Only), Tigers (Both), and prob the odd Leyland National Mk2 from Go-Ahead too.
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(05 Mar 2020, 11:33 pm)L469 YVK Wrote: In the live Q&A, it was mentioned that the X1 PVR is 14. I've had a look and it's actually 13 unless the 14th is a misc working which will be allocated an X-Lines E400MMC to ensure consistency.



Weekday is 14, Saturday is 13.


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Just to confirm, I remember the other week we were talking about Streetlites, and their potential to be upgraded to Euro6. I've recently seen that they can via Eminox.
(03 Mar 2020, 9:45 pm)Citaro5326 Wrote: So just been thinking with CAZ coming very soon the 26/27/57 need to get replacements and what i am thinking was 5442-5451 & 5463-5480 head to riverside and send the citaro's to Hownsgill and Deptford, in a way downgrade but same spec ?

I wonder when CAZ is due to start, and how different Go North East services will be as a result?  I am debating whether to come this August or for example next May?  I may well come soon if the final ex-London Volvo double-decker face withdrawal before CAZ.
(14 Mar 2020, 11:27 pm)Citaro5326 Wrote: I'm starting to think Mercs to go on 5/50 & 2/2A/39 & 16/16A but doesn't look good.
If Black Cats and Diamond's are Euro 6, they'll almost certainly be reallocated onto a route which goes into the CAZ. 6/12 and 26/27 would be the obvious choice. I still think the replacement for the Crusaders should be the Red Arrow B9s. PVR would be an issue unless they cut the 26 short.

Mercs unlikely to be allocated to the 5/50 due to the Omnicities now being Euro 6
(15 Mar 2020, 5:52 am)6049 Wrote: If Black Cats and Diamond's are Euro 6, they'll almost certainly be reallocated onto a route which goes into the CAZ. 6/12 and 26/27 would be the obvious choice. I still think the replacement for the Crusaders should be the Red Arrow B9s. PVR would be an issue unless they cut the 26 short.

Mercs unlikely to be allocated to the 5/50 due to the Omnicities now being Euro 6
The 5 and 50 don't go onto the CAZ, though, so don't need to be euro6. It's a narural route to move the mercs onto.
(15 Mar 2020, 9:44 am)BusLoverMum Wrote: The 5 and 50 don't go onto the CAZ, though, so don't need to be euro6. It's a narural route to move the mercs onto.

The funding was provided by south Tyneside council to upgrade these to euro 6. They have to be allocated to this route for minimum of 3yrs. Believe Dan said they could be reallocated if new new euro 6 buses were purchased for the route
(15 Mar 2020, 9:55 am)JP6004 Wrote: The funding was provided by south Tyneside council to upgrade these to euro 6. They have to be allocated to this route for minimum of 3yrs. Believe Dan said they could be reallocated if new new euro 6 buses were purchased for the route
Which is unlikely to happen due to how quiet the route can be, certainly doesn't warrant new buses although I would like to see the Mercs of the 4 go on there after they're replaced but that I'm afraid is likely to be wishful thinking.
(15 Mar 2020, 10:47 am)6049 Wrote: Which is unlikely to happen due to how quiet the route can be, certainly doesn't warrant new buses although I would like to see the Mercs of the 4 go on there after they're replaced but that I'm afraid is likely to be wishful thinking.
I think it's quite busy majority of the time and sometimes warrants DD. I'd like to see the B5Hs to be reallocated to 50 some point in future. As they short wheelbase, be ideal providing extra capacity but also being more cost effective. While also maintaining euro 6 emission (once the new engines are fitted)

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(15 Mar 2020, 10:50 am)JP6004 Wrote: I think it's quite busy majority of the time and sometimes warrants DD. I'd like to see the B5Hs to be reallocated to 50 some point in future. As they short wheelbase, be ideal providing extra capacity but also being more cost effective. While also maintaining euro 6 emission (once the new engines are fitted)

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Full standing loads are few and far between - summer weekends maybe on the 50 - so as much as I think the B9s would be perfect on them (I've never driven a B5H) its unlikely to be allocated to the 50/5 as DD Euro 6 capacity is likely to be reserved for a service going into the town. The 5 certainly doesn't warrant DD so if they no longer interwork a capacity downgrade for the 5 would be more likely.
50 is probably busy enough to warrant double deckers and the 5 needs a solo to look busy
(15 Mar 2020, 11:07 am)6049 Wrote: Full standing loads are few and far between - summer weekends maybe on the 50 - so as much as I think the B9s would be perfect on them (I've never driven a B5H) its unlikely to be allocated to the 50/5 as DD Euro 6 capacity is likely to be reserved for a service going into the town. The 5 certainly doesn't warrant DD so if they no longer interwork a capacity downgrade for the 5 would be more likely.
I doubt the council would allow service to be downgraded to euro 5 after funding the mods to make it euro 6. Also euro 6 is being stipulated as a requirement for an increasing number of services outside of the Newcastle CAZ

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(15 Mar 2020, 9:55 am)JP6004 Wrote: The funding was provided by south Tyneside council to upgrade these to euro 6. They have to be allocated to this route for minimum of 3yrs. Believe Dan said they could be reallocated if new new euro 6 buses were purchased for the route
Well that's not likely to happen. Loads are usually good on the Durham - Washington stretch but I can't see it being upgraded like the 97s.
Wonder if Clean Air Zone will be postponed in 2021 in Newcastle as lots of smaller companies will unlikely have funds to invest in Euro 6 vehicles now. Aswell as companies alike Arriva who will suffer significantly as a result of their lack of investment in the North East...


(18 Mar 2020, 8:26 pm)S830OFT Wrote: Wonder if Clean Air Zone will be postponed in 2021 in Newcastle as lots of smaller companies will unlikely have funds to invest in Euro 6 vehicles now. Aswell as companies alike Arriva who will suffer significantly as a result of their lack of investment in the North East...

You mean their fleet that, bar a handful of vehicles, are all able to be converted to meet spec?
(18 Mar 2020, 8:26 pm)S830OFT Wrote: Wonder if Clean Air Zone will be postponed in 2021 in Newcastle as lots of smaller companies will unlikely have funds to invest in Euro 6 vehicles now. Aswell as companies alike Arriva who will suffer significantly as a result of their lack of investment in the North East...

Would should our city’s residents, workers and visitors health suffer significantly because of Arriva’s lack of investment?
It really feels like we have gone back in time with Sunderland services 2 and 39s. Versa and solo come on  go north east what you playing at? Versas are cramped and destination displays you can’t even read in daylight. It’s like we’ve gone back 10 years to when they were simplicity. And mini links as we call them on the 39s. I dread these buses when the schools come out!!
Proves Sunderland passengers are second class over Newcastle. We deserve better.
(02 Sep 2021, 10:48 pm)Acky81 Wrote: It really feels like we have gone back in time with Sunderland services 2 and 39s. Versa and solo come on  go north east what you playing at? Versas are cramped and destination displays you can’t even read in daylight. It’s like we’ve gone back 10 years to when they were simplicity. And mini links as we call them on the 39s. I dread these buses when the schools come out!!
Proves Sunderland passengers are second class over Newcastle. We deserve better.
I am not from Sunderland, but I agree. Someone was on about XLines consett getting new buses in 4 years, as they are most profitable. Look in Sunderland, Drifter/56/50/9 and all the old Citaros which they got due to Newcastle Euro 6 Limit. The Sunderland District are half arsed attempt to bring passengers back. Where as in Newcaslte/Consett they get wireless charging. I don't see any new buses coming to Sunderland for 4 years. While GNE are busy in Newcastle. They'll probs take all the euro 6 buses off Sunderland. 
I do agree. Especially when someone was like why upgrade the most profitable services every 4 years. There are other services which are busier which are running 8-11 year old buses.

I don't care what anyone says unless they are replacing the Venture (a brand which is on its knees) Consett should not get anything for 4-5 years.