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BusLoverMum

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29 Dec 2019, 11:16 pm #161

(29 Dec 2019, 6:50 pm)JP6004 Well to be fair Nexus' idea of an Express lounge is like bridge cafe in the Apprentice.....I think they should knock down Gateshead Interchange and start again

They already did that less than 20 years ago. Did you see what it was like back then?

(29 Dec 2019, 6:54 pm)cbma06 What ever happened about the plans of building a new bus station at Durham, was it just all fantasy in the councillors eyes , or did the council needed to use the money to build themselves a nice new HQ.

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The people didn't like the plans and the planners agreed.

(29 Dec 2019, 7:48 pm)streetdeckfan If they had a bus station that was capable of holding buses, there would be no need for the stops on North Road.

For me the main issue with DBS is the size rather than the dilapidated state.
At the minute Durham Bus Station is far too small for the amount of buses that use it. Not long back, I was on the X21 and we had to go round 3 or 4 times because there was no stand available. It's not uncommon to see a 21 or X21 parked at the end with passengers having to walk in front of the buses at stand L

We call that one stand L and three quarters.

Capacity has been an issue for a long time and the plans for the new station haven't offered any improvement.

Edited 29 Dec 2019, 11:23 pm by BusLoverMum.

BusLoverMum

29 Dec 2019, 11:16 pm #161

(29 Dec 2019, 6:50 pm)JP6004 Well to be fair Nexus' idea of an Express lounge is like bridge cafe in the Apprentice.....I think they should knock down Gateshead Interchange and start again

They already did that less than 20 years ago. Did you see what it was like back then?

(29 Dec 2019, 6:54 pm)cbma06 What ever happened about the plans of building a new bus station at Durham, was it just all fantasy in the councillors eyes , or did the council needed to use the money to build themselves a nice new HQ.

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The people didn't like the plans and the planners agreed.

(29 Dec 2019, 7:48 pm)streetdeckfan If they had a bus station that was capable of holding buses, there would be no need for the stops on North Road.

For me the main issue with DBS is the size rather than the dilapidated state.
At the minute Durham Bus Station is far too small for the amount of buses that use it. Not long back, I was on the X21 and we had to go round 3 or 4 times because there was no stand available. It's not uncommon to see a 21 or X21 parked at the end with passengers having to walk in front of the buses at stand L

We call that one stand L and three quarters.

Capacity has been an issue for a long time and the plans for the new station haven't offered any improvement.

BusLoverMum

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29 Dec 2019, 11:29 pm #162

(29 Dec 2019, 9:29 pm)2bagstew It’s still the same with the network tickets now. I got the impression that DCC doesn’t want too put any money into a scheme.

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That would be because, like most councils, DCC would have to ask whether you wanted that money taken away from education, social care or waste disposal.

BusLoverMum

29 Dec 2019, 11:29 pm #162

(29 Dec 2019, 9:29 pm)2bagstew It’s still the same with the network tickets now. I got the impression that DCC doesn’t want too put any money into a scheme.

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That would be because, like most councils, DCC would have to ask whether you wanted that money taken away from education, social care or waste disposal.

BeachBoy99

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30 Dec 2019, 3:59 am #163

(29 Dec 2019, 7:48 pm)streetdeckfan If they had a bus station that was capable of holding buses, there would be no need for the stops on North Road.

For me the main issue with DBS is the size rather than the dilapidated state.
At the minute Durham Bus Station is far too small for the amount of buses that use it. Not long back, I was on the X21 and we had to go round 3 or 4 times because there was no stand available. It's not uncommon to see a 21 or X21 parked at the end with passengers having to walk in front of the buses at stand L

But Durham is a small city, and given the location of the bus station, I doubt there'll be a major change in size.

I went to college in Durham and was there literally every day between Sep 2016 and Jun 2018 – can't remember a single time having to around the station 3 or 4 times before we reached a stand. It's not that bad?

People walk in front of all the stands, not just L, and some just cross between the stands to get to the bus before everyone else because they're ignorant tossers.

Personally, I think the council should have bigger fish to fry than the state of the bus station. I mean, have you been to the bus station in Peterlee? There are currently 3 or 4 windows that were smashed in weeks ago. Council can't be arsed to fix them and for good reason: because the charvas are just going to smash them yet again on their Friday night ASBO rounds.

BeachBoy99

30 Dec 2019, 3:59 am #163

(29 Dec 2019, 7:48 pm)streetdeckfan If they had a bus station that was capable of holding buses, there would be no need for the stops on North Road.

For me the main issue with DBS is the size rather than the dilapidated state.
At the minute Durham Bus Station is far too small for the amount of buses that use it. Not long back, I was on the X21 and we had to go round 3 or 4 times because there was no stand available. It's not uncommon to see a 21 or X21 parked at the end with passengers having to walk in front of the buses at stand L

streetdeckfan

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30 Dec 2019, 4:05 am #164

(30 Dec 2019, 3:59 am)BeachBoy99 But Durham is a small city, and given the location of the bus station, I doubt there'll be a major change in size.

I went to college in Durham and was there literally every day between Sep 2016 and Jun 2018 – can't remember a single time having to around the station 3 or 4 times before we reached a stand. It's not that bad?

People walk in front of all the stands, not just L, and some just cross between the stands to get to the bus before everyone else because they're ignorant tossers.

Personally, I think the council should have bigger fish to fry than the state of the bus station. I mean, have you been to the bus station in Peterlee? There are currently 3 or 4 windows that were smashed in weeks ago. Council can't be arsed to fix them and for good reason: because the charvas are just going to smash them yet again on their Friday night ASBO rounds.

Durham might be a small city, but pretty much all Arriva services pass through it so it's always busy.
Granted, the time we had to go round 3 or 4 times it was exceptionally busy, but it's not unusual to have to go around at least once.

The issue with walking in front of stand L is that there isn't a stop after it. The buses are parking on the corner, I see it happen very frequently, obviously drivers don't want to drive around so they just set down on the road and let passengers off.

streetdeckfan

30 Dec 2019, 4:05 am #164

(30 Dec 2019, 3:59 am)BeachBoy99 But Durham is a small city, and given the location of the bus station, I doubt there'll be a major change in size.

I went to college in Durham and was there literally every day between Sep 2016 and Jun 2018 – can't remember a single time having to around the station 3 or 4 times before we reached a stand. It's not that bad?

People walk in front of all the stands, not just L, and some just cross between the stands to get to the bus before everyone else because they're ignorant tossers.

Personally, I think the council should have bigger fish to fry than the state of the bus station. I mean, have you been to the bus station in Peterlee? There are currently 3 or 4 windows that were smashed in weeks ago. Council can't be arsed to fix them and for good reason: because the charvas are just going to smash them yet again on their Friday night ASBO rounds.

S813 FVK

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30 Dec 2019, 12:38 pm #165

(29 Dec 2019, 9:25 pm)Dan Rapidly getting to a stage where every single service is programmed, either in readiness for those services having buses allocated which have this feature, or for evenings and Sundays where buses with this feature are already (or will be) allocated.

Has there been much change to the WiFi/NSA scene in terms of buses fitted/removed since May? I recall posts about the Venture Solos being fitted in relation to the changes around Shotley Bridge a few weeks ago but since it isn't a topic many are interested in, it isn't the easiest of things to keep up with.

S813 FVK

30 Dec 2019, 12:38 pm #165

(29 Dec 2019, 9:25 pm)Dan Rapidly getting to a stage where every single service is programmed, either in readiness for those services having buses allocated which have this feature, or for evenings and Sundays where buses with this feature are already (or will be) allocated.

S830OFT

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30 Dec 2019, 2:24 pm #166

(30 Dec 2019, 3:59 am)BeachBoy99 But Durham is a small city, and given the location of the bus station, I doubt there'll be a major change in size.

I went to college in Durham and was there literally every day between Sep 2016 and Jun 2018 – can't remember a single time having to around the station 3 or 4 times before we reached a stand. It's not that bad?

People walk in front of all the stands, not just L, and some just cross between the stands to get to the bus before everyone else because they're ignorant tossers.

Personally, I think the council should have bigger fish to fry than the state of the bus station. I mean, have you been to the bus station in Peterlee? There are currently 3 or 4 windows that were smashed in weeks ago. Council can't be arsed to fix them and for good reason: because the charvas are just going to smash them yet again on their Friday night ASBO rounds.

Peterlee Bus Station now has a security guard from previous evening visits...

S830OFT

30 Dec 2019, 2:24 pm #166

(30 Dec 2019, 3:59 am)BeachBoy99 But Durham is a small city, and given the location of the bus station, I doubt there'll be a major change in size.

I went to college in Durham and was there literally every day between Sep 2016 and Jun 2018 – can't remember a single time having to around the station 3 or 4 times before we reached a stand. It's not that bad?

People walk in front of all the stands, not just L, and some just cross between the stands to get to the bus before everyone else because they're ignorant tossers.

Personally, I think the council should have bigger fish to fry than the state of the bus station. I mean, have you been to the bus station in Peterlee? There are currently 3 or 4 windows that were smashed in weeks ago. Council can't be arsed to fix them and for good reason: because the charvas are just going to smash them yet again on their Friday night ASBO rounds.

Peterlee Bus Station now has a security guard from previous evening visits...

Michael

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30 Dec 2019, 3:12 pm #167

(29 Dec 2019, 6:28 pm)peter Does anybody have confirmation of the new PVRs as a result of these service changes?? I've had a go looking at the timetables but not sure if I'm right!

Cheers, Peter

I think these are right... most of the PVR's remain the same... (could be wrong though on the new PVRs!)

1 – Same
4 – Same
5/50 – Same
M6/M7/M8 - 3 PVR
6/6A/12/12A – 8 PVR
X6/X7/X20 – Same
X9/X10 – Same
10/10A/10B – Same
14 – Same
21 – 15 PVR
X21 – 12 PVR
26/27 – Same
30/31/32 – 2 PVR?
34/34A – Same
35/35A – Same
49/49A – Same
57 – PVR 5
X84/X85 – Same
95 – Same
97 – Same
309/310/311 - 15 PVR

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

30 Dec 2019, 3:12 pm #167

(29 Dec 2019, 6:28 pm)peter Does anybody have confirmation of the new PVRs as a result of these service changes?? I've had a go looking at the timetables but not sure if I'm right!

Cheers, Peter

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

L469 YVK

3,551

30 Dec 2019, 4:22 pm #168

(30 Dec 2019, 3:12 pm)Michael I think these are right... most of the PVR's remain the same..
57 – PVR 5
309/310/311 - 15 PVR

57 is correct but Cobalt & Coast PVR will remain at 17. If the 311 didn't serve High Farm, the PVR could be reduced to 16.

L469 YVK

30 Dec 2019, 4:22 pm #168

(30 Dec 2019, 3:12 pm)Michael I think these are right... most of the PVR's remain the same..
57 – PVR 5
309/310/311 - 15 PVR

57 is correct but Cobalt & Coast PVR will remain at 17. If the 311 didn't serve High Farm, the PVR could be reduced to 16.

peter

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30 Dec 2019, 6:26 pm #169

(30 Dec 2019, 3:12 pm)Michael I think these are right... most of the PVR's remain the same... (could be wrong though on the new PVRs!)

1 – Same
4 – Same
5/50 – Same
M6/M7/M8 - 3 PVR
6/6A/12/12A – 8 PVR
X6/X7/X20 – Same
X9/X10 – Same
10/10A/10B – Same
14 – Same
21 – 15 PVR
X21 – 12 PVR
26/27 – Same
30/31/32 – 2 PVR?
34/34A – Same
35/35A – Same
49/49A – Same
57 – PVR 5
X84/X85 – Same
95 – Same
97 – Same
309/310/311 - 15 PVR

(30 Dec 2019, 4:22 pm)L469 YVK 57 is correct but Cobalt & Coast PVR will remain at 17. If the 311 didn't serve High Farm, the PVR could be reduced to 16.

I got the following new PVRs:
M6/7/8=4
6/12/12A=9
21=15
X21=12
30/1/2=2
49/49A=9
57=5
309/10/11=16

Could anyone confirm if any of our guesses are indeed correct?

Thanks, Peter

peter

30 Dec 2019, 6:26 pm #169

(30 Dec 2019, 3:12 pm)Michael I think these are right... most of the PVR's remain the same... (could be wrong though on the new PVRs!)

1 – Same
4 – Same
5/50 – Same
M6/M7/M8 - 3 PVR
6/6A/12/12A – 8 PVR
X6/X7/X20 – Same
X9/X10 – Same
10/10A/10B – Same
14 – Same
21 – 15 PVR
X21 – 12 PVR
26/27 – Same
30/31/32 – 2 PVR?
34/34A – Same
35/35A – Same
49/49A – Same
57 – PVR 5
X84/X85 – Same
95 – Same
97 – Same
309/310/311 - 15 PVR

(30 Dec 2019, 4:22 pm)L469 YVK 57 is correct but Cobalt & Coast PVR will remain at 17. If the 311 didn't serve High Farm, the PVR could be reduced to 16.

I got the following new PVRs:
M6/7/8=4
6/12/12A=9
21=15
X21=12
30/1/2=2
49/49A=9
57=5
309/10/11=16

Could anyone confirm if any of our guesses are indeed correct?

Thanks, Peter

Dan

Site Administrator

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30 Dec 2019, 6:34 pm #170

(30 Dec 2019, 6:26 pm)peter I got the following new PVRs:
M6/7/8=4
6/12/12A=9
21=15
X21=12
30/1/2=2
49/49A=9
57=5
309/10/11=16

Could anyone confirm if any of our guesses are indeed correct?

Thanks, Peter

Yours sound right.

Dan

30 Dec 2019, 6:34 pm #170

(30 Dec 2019, 6:26 pm)peter I got the following new PVRs:
M6/7/8=4
6/12/12A=9
21=15
X21=12
30/1/2=2
49/49A=9
57=5
309/10/11=16

Could anyone confirm if any of our guesses are indeed correct?

Thanks, Peter

Yours sound right.

Michael

19,174

30 Dec 2019, 6:38 pm #171

(30 Dec 2019, 6:34 pm)Dan Yours sound right.

Oh well , i was close! Tongue

Surprised they aren't sticking to 10 on the 49/49A though, have an extra bus out like the 56 etc.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

30 Dec 2019, 6:38 pm #171

(30 Dec 2019, 6:34 pm)Dan Yours sound right.

Oh well , i was close! Tongue

Surprised they aren't sticking to 10 on the 49/49A though, have an extra bus out like the 56 etc.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Citaro5326

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30 Dec 2019, 8:22 pm #172

(30 Dec 2019, 6:38 pm)Michael Oh well , i was close!

Surprised they aren't sticking to 10 on the 49/49A though, have an extra bus out like the 56 etc.

Still Rubbish timetable said by few drivers , Since that Extra bus got took out nothing but hassle for keeping time even at peak time too

Citaro5326

30 Dec 2019, 8:22 pm #172

(30 Dec 2019, 6:38 pm)Michael Oh well , i was close!

Surprised they aren't sticking to 10 on the 49/49A though, have an extra bus out like the 56 etc.

Still Rubbish timetable said by few drivers , Since that Extra bus got took out nothing but hassle for keeping time even at peak time too

L469 YVK

3,551

30 Dec 2019, 8:41 pm #173

(30 Dec 2019, 6:34 pm)Dan Yours sound right.

Just checked and 16 is indeed right for the Cobalt & Coast services. Will be a 5hr10m round trip doing the following:

- NShields: 00:18
- Ncl: 01:05
- Ncl: 01:12
- HPark: 01:38
- HPark: 01:41
- Ncl: 02:12
- Ncl: 02:18
- Bly: 03:24 - Layover reduced but extra running time to account for driver changes at New York by the looks of it
- Bly: 03:29
- Ncl: 04:38
- Ncl: 04:45
- NShields: 05:28

L469 YVK

30 Dec 2019, 8:41 pm #173

(30 Dec 2019, 6:34 pm)Dan Yours sound right.

Rapidsnap

2,384

01 Jan 2020, 12:43 am #174

309 / 310 / 311 timetable now online. 311 does serve High Farm (Mullen Road)
https://assets.goaheadbus.com/media/cms_...10_311.pdf

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Rapidsnap

01 Jan 2020, 12:43 am #174

309 / 310 / 311 timetable now online. 311 does serve High Farm (Mullen Road)
https://assets.goaheadbus.com/media/cms_...10_311.pdf

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V514DFT

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01 Jan 2020, 7:43 am #175

Am i missing the point or does the 311 seen pointless, why couldnt they of just sent the 310 into Hadrian Park all day

Kind Regards
Tez

V514DFT

01 Jan 2020, 7:43 am #175

Am i missing the point or does the 311 seen pointless, why couldnt they of just sent the 310 into Hadrian Park all day

Kind Regards
Tez

Ianthegoon

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01 Jan 2020, 8:30 am #176

(01 Jan 2020, 7:43 am)V514DFT Am i missing the point or does the 311 seen pointless, why couldnt they of just sent the 310 into Hadrian Park all day

Maybe because the users from further out didn't fancy the diversion and resultant additional journey time, and suggested that they might use Arriva's services instead?

Ianthegoon

01 Jan 2020, 8:30 am #176

(01 Jan 2020, 7:43 am)V514DFT Am i missing the point or does the 311 seen pointless, why couldnt they of just sent the 310 into Hadrian Park all day

Maybe because the users from further out didn't fancy the diversion and resultant additional journey time, and suggested that they might use Arriva's services instead?

L469 YVK

3,551

01 Jan 2020, 10:33 am #177

(01 Jan 2020, 8:30 am)Ianthegoon Maybe because the users from further out didn't fancy the diversion and resultant additional journey time, and suggested that they might use Arriva's services instead?

Putting the 310 through Hadrian Park during the evenings (like what GNE are doing now) would be fair enough. I've used it a few times via Hadrian Park and don't mind particularly with the last service currently at 23:20 which provides a good late night alternative to the 22:50 309 and 23:12 308 albeit the short walk.

But I think putting it through during the daytimes would be a bit too much and would end up with users around West Chirton and the bottom end of New York just walking to the Coast Rd for the 306/308 instead.

L469 YVK

01 Jan 2020, 10:33 am #177

(01 Jan 2020, 8:30 am)Ianthegoon Maybe because the users from further out didn't fancy the diversion and resultant additional journey time, and suggested that they might use Arriva's services instead?

Michael

19,174

01 Jan 2020, 12:12 pm #178

So what extra buses will be allocated to the X21 from the 26th January?, even if 2 Angel Streetdecks are repainted, they'll still be short by a fair amount.

Will 6301-6303 be all allocated again, until new buses can be brought in?, still then leaves them short of 3...

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

01 Jan 2020, 12:12 pm #178

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

V514DFT

2,245

01 Jan 2020, 1:03 pm #179

(01 Jan 2020, 8:30 am)Ianthegoon Maybe because the users from further out didn't fancy the diversion and resultant additional journey time, and suggested that they might use Arriva's services instead?

Hadrian Park havent had a direct service to North Shields since the days of the 300 and 305, the 42 could serve there during the day,then the 310 could take over from when the last 42 goes through there,but nope, its just my opinion but im sorry, the 311 seems like a pointless route, i also think the 42/42A should only go as far as the cobalt on an evening with the very last ones finishing at wallsend

Kind Regards
Tez

V514DFT

01 Jan 2020, 1:03 pm #179

(01 Jan 2020, 8:30 am)Ianthegoon Maybe because the users from further out didn't fancy the diversion and resultant additional journey time, and suggested that they might use Arriva's services instead?

Kind Regards
Tez

deanmachine

880

01 Jan 2020, 1:37 pm #180

(01 Jan 2020, 1:03 pm)V514DFT Hadrian Park havent had a direct service to North Shields since the days of the 300 and 305, the 42 could serve there during the day,then the 310 could take over from when the last 42 goes through there,but nope, its just my opinion but im sorry, the 311 seems like a pointless route, i also think the 42/42A should only go as far as the cobalt on an evening with the very last ones finishing at wallsend

So you're saying Hadrian Park doesn't deserve a direct service to Newcastle? In my experience, that's where most people who used the 57 on that end were going other than Battle Hill.

deanmachine

01 Jan 2020, 1:37 pm #180

(01 Jan 2020, 1:03 pm)V514DFT Hadrian Park havent had a direct service to North Shields since the days of the 300 and 305, the 42 could serve there during the day,then the 310 could take over from when the last 42 goes through there,but nope, its just my opinion but im sorry, the 311 seems like a pointless route, i also think the 42/42A should only go as far as the cobalt on an evening with the very last ones finishing at wallsend

So you're saying Hadrian Park doesn't deserve a direct service to Newcastle? In my experience, that's where most people who used the 57 on that end were going other than Battle Hill.

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