Commercial service changes - May 2020
Commercial service changes - May 2020
With talk about the 78 going back to Consett depot in exchange for the Chester locals and Cathedral buses... with the 8 apparently remaining at Chester Le Street, splitting it from the 78, wonder how the timetable will work out?, hopefully not many time changes on the 8.
(07 Mar 2020, 7:31 pm)Michael With talk about the 78 going back to Consett depot in exchange for the Chester locals and Cathedral buses... with the 8 apparently remaining at Chester Le Street, splitting it from the 78, wonder how the timetable will work out?, hopefully not many time changes on the 8.
(07 Mar 2020, 7:31 pm)Michael With talk about the 78 going back to Consett depot in exchange for the Chester locals and Cathedral buses... with the 8 apparently remaining at Chester Le Street, splitting it from the 78, wonder how the timetable will work out?, hopefully not many time changes on the 8.
(07 Mar 2020, 10:28 pm)Andreos1 Saw something about the PVR being reduced as a result and the peak 8 runs being dropped towards the A1231/Enterprise Park and instead operating via Chester Road and the hospital up to the A19 and then picking up the normal route from there Michael.
(07 Mar 2020, 10:28 pm)Andreos1 Saw something about the PVR being reduced as a result and the peak 8 runs being dropped towards the A1231/Enterprise Park and instead operating via Chester Road and the hospital up to the A19 and then picking up the normal route from there Michael.
(07 Mar 2020, 10:39 pm)Michael Hope they don't drop the 8 from Hylton Retail park, i use it 5 days a week to get to work (i work near the Royal Mail depot), hoping they replace it then... only other service is the 73, which is hourly and can't use my smartzone pass on it.Aren’t the peak runs done by deptford or Washington?, so this wouldn’t affect the pvr if that’s the case. Think the 8 can be done with 4 buses at the current timetable.
The Peak runs though, is the 8A?, so that would be the route dropped.
(07 Mar 2020, 10:39 pm)Michael Hope they don't drop the 8 from Hylton Retail park, i use it 5 days a week to get to work (i work near the Royal Mail depot), hoping they replace it then... only other service is the 73, which is hourly and can't use my smartzone pass on it.Aren’t the peak runs done by deptford or Washington?, so this wouldn’t affect the pvr if that’s the case. Think the 8 can be done with 4 buses at the current timetable.
The Peak runs though, is the 8A?, so that would be the route dropped.
(08 Mar 2020, 5:24 am)Stanleyone Aren’t the peak runs done by deptford or Washington?, so this wouldn’t affect the pvr if that’s the case. Think the 8 can be done with 4 buses at the current timetable.
(08 Mar 2020, 5:24 am)Stanleyone Aren’t the peak runs done by deptford or Washington?, so this wouldn’t affect the pvr if that’s the case. Think the 8 can be done with 4 buses at the current timetable.
(08 Mar 2020, 9:20 am)Michael That's good, apart from the 18:12pm Hylton retail Park to Park Lane better not get withdrawn, means i would be walking to Southwick everytime i finish at 6.Withdrawn the 1812 from Hylton Retail Park for starters
8 PVR is 6
78 PVR is 7
Not sure how the 8 can be done with 4 buses? - either way i can't see the PVR dropping on each service, even if split.
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How many of the Red Arrows have had the Euro 6 upgrade so far?, is this the last batch?
(08 Mar 2020, 9:20 am)Michael That's good, apart from the 18:12pm Hylton retail Park to Park Lane better not get withdrawn, means i would be walking to Southwick everytime i finish at 6.Withdrawn the 1812 from Hylton Retail Park for starters
8 PVR is 6
78 PVR is 7
Not sure how the 8 can be done with 4 buses? - either way i can't see the PVR dropping on each service, even if split.
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How many of the Red Arrows have had the Euro 6 upgrade so far?, is this the last batch?
(08 Mar 2020, 9:20 am)See Michael That's good, apart from the 18:12pm Hylton retail Park to Park Lane better not get withdrawn, means i would be walking to Southwick everytime i finish at 6.Yep, my mistake I had it down in my head as an hour end to end. Pvr would be 6 if split.
8 PVR is 6
78 PVR is 7
Not sure how the 8 can be done with 4 buses? - either way i can't see the PVR dropping on each service, even if split.
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(08 Mar 2020, 9:20 am)See Michael That's good, apart from the 18:12pm Hylton retail Park to Park Lane better not get withdrawn, means i would be walking to Southwick everytime i finish at 6.Yep, my mistake I had it down in my head as an hour end to end. Pvr would be 6 if split.
8 PVR is 6
78 PVR is 7
Not sure how the 8 can be done with 4 buses? - either way i can't see the PVR dropping on each service, even if split.
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(07 Mar 2020, 10:39 pm)Michael Hope they don't drop the 8 from Hylton Retail park, i use it 5 days a week to get to work (i work near the Royal Mail depot), hoping they replace it then... only other service is the 73, which is hourly and can't use my smartzone pass on it.
The Peak runs though, is the 8A?, so that would be the route dropped.
(07 Mar 2020, 10:39 pm)Michael Hope they don't drop the 8 from Hylton Retail park, i use it 5 days a week to get to work (i work near the Royal Mail depot), hoping they replace it then... only other service is the 73, which is hourly and can't use my smartzone pass on it.
The Peak runs though, is the 8A?, so that would be the route dropped.
(08 Mar 2020, 11:48 am)Andreos1 Something to do with drivers hours, cost savings, traffic, reliability and the works around the new bridge. Not sure the link is gonna be replaced at all, so you might be stuck with the 73 or a walk to Southwick...
(08 Mar 2020, 11:48 am)Andreos1 Something to do with drivers hours, cost savings, traffic, reliability and the works around the new bridge. Not sure the link is gonna be replaced at all, so you might be stuck with the 73 or a walk to Southwick...
(08 Mar 2020, 11:58 am)Michael Not surprised, there's so much work going on around Trimdon Street etc.Personally I don’t think the link to the retail park will be lost. Might just be a better business case to separate the routes.
If true... Shame, as its well used......
(08 Mar 2020, 11:58 am)Michael Not surprised, there's so much work going on around Trimdon Street etc.Personally I don’t think the link to the retail park will be lost. Might just be a better business case to separate the routes.
If true... Shame, as its well used......
(08 Mar 2020, 12:24 pm)Stanleyone Personally I don’t think the link to the retail park will be lost. Might just be a better business case to separate the routes.
Martjin Gilbert confirmed last night on his live stream:
1: GNE 2-3 weeks away from bringing in extra buses for their services
2: Some slight twicks to routes will go ahead in the next few weeks - the ones which were due in May - the changes rumoured where the 8 moving to Chester and Chester locals and Cathedral buses moving to Consett in exchange.
Video here: https://www.facebook.com/100009920923911...9920923911
(14 May 2020, 8:47 am)Michael Martjin Gilbert confirmed last night on his live stream:
1: GNE 2-3 weeks away from bringing in extra buses for their services
2: Some slight twicks to routes will go ahead in the next few weeks - the ones which were due in May - the changes rumoured where the 8 moving to Chester and Chester locals and Cathedral buses moving to Consett in exchange.
Video here: https://www.facebook.com/100009920923911...9920923911
(14 May 2020, 8:47 am)Michael Martjin Gilbert confirmed last night on his live stream:
1: GNE 2-3 weeks away from bringing in extra buses for their services
2: Some slight twicks to routes will go ahead in the next few weeks - the ones which were due in May - the changes rumoured where the 8 moving to Chester and Chester locals and Cathedral buses moving to Consett in exchange.
Video here: https://www.facebook.com/100009920923911...9920923911
(14 May 2020, 8:47 am)Michael Martjin Gilbert confirmed last night on his live stream:
1: GNE 2-3 weeks away from bringing in extra buses for their services
2: Some slight twicks to routes will go ahead in the next few weeks - the ones which were due in May - the changes rumoured where the 8 moving to Chester and Chester locals and Cathedral buses moving to Consett in exchange.
Video here: https://www.facebook.com/100009920923911...9920923911
(14 May 2020, 8:47 am)Michael Martjin Gilbert confirmed last night on his live stream:
1: GNE 2-3 weeks away from bringing in extra buses for their services
2: Some slight twicks to routes will go ahead in the next few weeks - the ones which were due in May - the changes rumoured where the 8 moving to Chester and Chester locals and Cathedral buses moving to Consett in exchange.
Video here: https://www.facebook.com/100009920923911...9920923911
It's going to be interesting to see how this pans out in the future with social distancing. The amount of services which may end up needing double deck capacity could be significant and may exceed the number of deckers in the fleet. Services already running deckers or unable to because of low bridges etc may have to run far more frequently.
Government support is likely to be crucial because companies will not be able to sustainably run buses at less than half capacity. TfL has already received additional support so I'd imagine the rest of the country won't be far behind.
https://news.sky.com/story/transport-for...s-11988516
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(14 May 2020, 8:08 pm)Malarkey I listened to this for the first time earlier today and it is great insight to what plans the company has in place, Martjin notably mentioned about the 8 getting extra resources and the hot spares in case passengers were to be left behind on specific journey's, I do think at certain points in the day having extra 21's run would be good as I noticed the xx:35 from Low Fell into Newcastle on a morning tend to be busy with the lower deck saloon full and a half full upper deck, but as again Martjin mentioned these numbers fluctuate day by day.
I think also having used the Q1/Q2 the other day that maybe utilising DD's in short term would be good as there were a lot of people making short hop journey's between Heworth, Springwell Estate, Wrekenton and Low Fell with limited space for social distancing, also the Q1/Q2 are running on an hourly loop so passenger numbers would expected to be higher than usual than if the company was operating a normal level service.
The 69 could get away with Solo SR's as each time i've seen this service in the past few weeks when it has either had a Durham Diamond Streetlite or a Green Arrow E200MMC allocated much like the 28B it carries fresh air, the only purpose this is serving at the moment is helping those who work at the Q.E. get to and from work, same with the 67, other issue is between the two is at are operating 8 minutes apart so basically majority of the route is duplicated with exception of certain sections. The 67 is timed to get to Q.E. at xx:43 and 69 is xx:51, why not retime the 69 so it reaches Q.E. at xx:13 so then you have a half hourly service as you again would have if the company was operating services normally.
For me there seems to be resources being wasted in the examples noted above which with a few tweaks would be better utilised and would probably make GNE some more money in these difficult and uncertain times.
(14 May 2020, 8:08 pm)Malarkey I listened to this for the first time earlier today and it is great insight to what plans the company has in place, Martjin notably mentioned about the 8 getting extra resources and the hot spares in case passengers were to be left behind on specific journey's, I do think at certain points in the day having extra 21's run would be good as I noticed the xx:35 from Low Fell into Newcastle on a morning tend to be busy with the lower deck saloon full and a half full upper deck, but as again Martjin mentioned these numbers fluctuate day by day.
I think also having used the Q1/Q2 the other day that maybe utilising DD's in short term would be good as there were a lot of people making short hop journey's between Heworth, Springwell Estate, Wrekenton and Low Fell with limited space for social distancing, also the Q1/Q2 are running on an hourly loop so passenger numbers would expected to be higher than usual than if the company was operating a normal level service.
The 69 could get away with Solo SR's as each time i've seen this service in the past few weeks when it has either had a Durham Diamond Streetlite or a Green Arrow E200MMC allocated much like the 28B it carries fresh air, the only purpose this is serving at the moment is helping those who work at the Q.E. get to and from work, same with the 67, other issue is between the two is at are operating 8 minutes apart so basically majority of the route is duplicated with exception of certain sections. The 67 is timed to get to Q.E. at xx:43 and 69 is xx:51, why not retime the 69 so it reaches Q.E. at xx:13 so then you have a half hourly service as you again would have if the company was operating services normally.
For me there seems to be resources being wasted in the examples noted above which with a few tweaks would be better utilised and would probably make GNE some more money in these difficult and uncertain times.
(25 May 2020, 10:45 am)Storx This is a bad idea imo. The reason the 39 struggles is it barely has a purpose. Pennywell -> Sunderland is Stagecoach territory with the 20, Doxford Park to Sunderland is also Stagecoach territory with the 4 and 12. Then the rest of the route is mostly duplicated by the 2 which runs all night so the majority of the route has a service anyway.
Unless you suddenly have some reason for a massive demand between Grangetown / Ryhope to Doxford Park and Washington to Chester Road there's no need for it being every 10 minutes whereas the sections which are popular Silksworth -> Sunderland and Chester Road your decreasing to every 10 minutes from every 7.5 minutes. Not to mention your also making the route slower between Sunderland and Penshaw and onwards.
Personally I'd just renumber the 39 to the number 1 and market is as one bus route every 7.5 minutes with different endings. The core of the 39 is the same as the 2 anyway.
(25 May 2020, 10:45 am)Storx This is a bad idea imo. The reason the 39 struggles is it barely has a purpose. Pennywell -> Sunderland is Stagecoach territory with the 20, Doxford Park to Sunderland is also Stagecoach territory with the 4 and 12. Then the rest of the route is mostly duplicated by the 2 which runs all night so the majority of the route has a service anyway.
Unless you suddenly have some reason for a massive demand between Grangetown / Ryhope to Doxford Park and Washington to Chester Road there's no need for it being every 10 minutes whereas the sections which are popular Silksworth -> Sunderland and Chester Road your decreasing to every 10 minutes from every 7.5 minutes. Not to mention your also making the route slower between Sunderland and Penshaw and onwards.
Personally I'd just renumber the 39 to the number 1 and market is as one bus route every 7.5 minutes with different endings. The core of the 39 is the same as the 2 anyway.
(24 May 2020, 8:27 pm)Malarkey I have a suggestion for the 2/2A/38 & 39
2/2A - Sunderland City Centre - Ashbrooke - Leechmere - Hollycarrside - Esdale Estate - Tunstall Bank Estate - Silksworth - Doxford International - Doxford Park Morrisons - Ryhope - Grangetown - Sunderland City Centre - Sunderland University - Royal Hospital - Chester Road - Pennywell - Prestbury Road - Hastings Hill - Penshaw - Shiney Row - Barnwell (2A) - Fatfield - Biddick (2A) - Harraton (2) - Lambton (2) - Washington Galleries
Merging of services 2/2A/38 & 39 - Operating Monday to Saturday up to Every 10 Minutes and Every 20 Minutes on Sunday
Service would operate a clockwise/anti clockwise loop between Sunderland City Centre and Doxford International and again as they do currently between Fatfield and Washington Galleries whilst also opening new links around Pennywell to Washington and areas currently served by the 38 to Doxford International.
(24 May 2020, 8:35 pm)Michael That's 1 long route
(24 May 2020, 8:27 pm)Malarkey I have a suggestion for the 2/2A/38 & 39
2/2A - Sunderland City Centre - Ashbrooke - Leechmere - Hollycarrside - Esdale Estate - Tunstall Bank Estate - Silksworth - Doxford International - Doxford Park Morrisons - Ryhope - Grangetown - Sunderland City Centre - Sunderland University - Royal Hospital - Chester Road - Pennywell - Prestbury Road - Hastings Hill - Penshaw - Shiney Row - Barnwell (2A) - Fatfield - Biddick (2A) - Harraton (2) - Lambton (2) - Washington Galleries
Merging of services 2/2A/38 & 39 - Operating Monday to Saturday up to Every 10 Minutes and Every 20 Minutes on Sunday
Service would operate a clockwise/anti clockwise loop between Sunderland City Centre and Doxford International and again as they do currently between Fatfield and Washington Galleries whilst also opening new links around Pennywell to Washington and areas currently served by the 38 to Doxford International.
(24 May 2020, 8:35 pm)Michael That's 1 long route
(25 May 2020, 8:03 pm)Malarkey Exactly so what is the point in it continuing to operate in it's guise when it is a dupe of another service for the majority of it's route, why not streamline that section into one service and by having it on a reduced frequency would also aid reliability across the route also.
Do you think a passenger is going to be that bothered about waiting 2 and half minutes extra for a bus?
Before you answer the question the likes of the 2/2A/4/26/27/56/97 & X1 have all had decreases in frequency in the last 3 years in order to improve reliability and to save money in the long term, this has also aided in the withdrawl from service of older buses in fleet, again another benefit for passengers.
(25 May 2020, 8:03 pm)Malarkey Exactly so what is the point in it continuing to operate in it's guise when it is a dupe of another service for the majority of it's route, why not streamline that section into one service and by having it on a reduced frequency would also aid reliability across the route also.
Do you think a passenger is going to be that bothered about waiting 2 and half minutes extra for a bus?
Before you answer the question the likes of the 2/2A/4/26/27/56/97 & X1 have all had decreases in frequency in the last 3 years in order to improve reliability and to save money in the long term, this has also aided in the withdrawl from service of older buses in fleet, again another benefit for passengers.
From Monday 1 June, in line with guidance from the government, our buses will start returning to what can be considered our ‘normal’ level of service, with changes to some services that are listed below our COVID-19 travel advice.
We have also worked hard to protect journeys introduced following customer feedback on key worker shift times at the start of the crisis.
Services that aren’t listed below will return to timetables that are similar to their pre-coronavirus times on weekdays, although on many services evening frequencies will be reduced due to the continued closure of leisure and entertainment venues. Services on weekends will also run to special timetables.
https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/service-ch...day-1-june
SOME interesting changes, wasn't expecting some of them.
