East Coast Main Line

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(12 Sep 2021, 8:25 am)IRHardy Wrote: It seems as though the implementation of the new timetable has been delayed by a year or more due to the outcry at the proposals which are mainly just to allow LNER to get to Edinburgh 15 minutes faster than they do now.
That's due to no upgrade of OLE north of Newcastle. Still... There ain't enough juice..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-59696134

Push to re-open Consett rail link and connect with ECML.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
(17 Dec 2021, 1:27 pm)Andreos1 Wrote: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-59696134

Push to re-open Consett rail link and connect with ECML.

Sounds like the congestion-busting buses of North West Durham aren't doing it for Dicky.

In seriousness, and whilst I can't see either happening, the Annfield Plain/Stanley route is probably the better option, but you then hit the hurdle of how many paths they're likely to be given on the ECML, where it would join around Birtley. It's already over-congested with no light at the end of the tunnel, thanks to the Tories already kicking the much more widely-supported Leamside reopening into the long grass. That of course impacts the likely frequency along the line.

The frequency can of course reduce any benefits gained from journey time, but I'd be interested in what they'd anticipate as a journey time between Consett and Newcastle. Whilst the X70/X71 aren't exactly the quickest routes, I think we'd see them become a lot quicker faced with competition from a train.

I just can't see the business case stacking up here, and I think its nothing more than a token gesture from the politicians.
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(17 Dec 2021, 2:22 pm)Adrian Wrote: Sounds like the congestion-busting buses of North West Durham aren't doing it for Dicky.

In seriousness, and whilst I can't see either happening, the Annfield Plain/Stanley route is probably the better option, but you then hit the hurdle of how many paths they're likely to be given on the ECML, where it would join around Birtley. It's already over-congested with no light at the end of the tunnel, thanks to the Tories already kicking the much more widely-supported Leamside reopening into the long grass. That of course impacts the likely frequency along the line.

The frequency can of course reduce any benefits gained from journey time, but I'd be interested in what they'd anticipate as a journey time between Consett and Newcastle. Whilst the X70/X71 aren't exactly the quickest routes, I think we'd see them become a lot quicker faced with competition from a train.

I just can't see the business case stacking up here, and I think its nothing more than a token gesture from the politicians.

My own thoughts were immediately focused on reinstating the slow lines between Pelaw Grange and Team Valley. That would help massively in this scenario. 
If I remember right, they were pulled up around 88/89 when electrification happened. 

Like you say, I can't see the business case stacking up. Which is unfortunate.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
They can push as much as they like, it won't happen, like the far greater need of the Leamside. This regime has shown itself to be nothing but a deceitful, false promise and sound byte responsive vessel. Consett via South Pelaw is ridiculous, a monumental civil engineering prospect. Only via Lintz is feasible until you hit Swalwell.. Then what..
Pie in the sky idea and there's no economic reason to build it either. There's other towns in the North East which are much higher priority Washington for example or the West End of Newcastle or South side of Sunderland both which would offer a much better return for not much difference in costs since it's just building a new line. Other than Stanley, there's nothing between Consett and Newcastle.

I live near the B&T line and the only reason that works is because the line already exists so it's easier and much much cheaper to do.
(17 Dec 2021, 7:49 pm)Storx Wrote: Pie in the sky idea and there's no economic reason to build it either. There's other towns in the North East which are much higher priority Washington for example or the West End of Newcastle or South side of Sunderland both which would offer a much better return for not much difference in costs since it's just building a new line. Other than Stanley, there's nothing between Consett and Newcastle.

I live near the B&T line and the only reason that works is because the line already exists so it's easier and much much cheaper to do.
Absolutely, and the B&T project has been watered down already, no relaying and bed work, so speeds are going to be slower than claimed as well.

We won't get the rail network we need, just as much as we won't get a bus network that works..