Grand Central

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(19 Jun 2015, 2:49 pm)Davie Wrote: Do Grand Central send trains through Durham?

ECS to/from Heaton if you saw one pass through Durham.
It was 5Z80. Heaton to Doncaster Roberts Road Yard

Empty Coaching Stock
(19 Jun 2015, 4:55 pm)Tommy_1581 Wrote: It was 5Z80. Heaton to Doncaster Roberts Road Yard

Empty Coaching Stock

Thanks Tommy mate  Smile
Currently on 180112 on the 1647 from KGX to SUN. Noticed it has had the vestibules redone with black flooring and the Grand Central logo on. Looks good. Shame the rest of the carriage is still in First colours... Here's hoping this will change! Air con is working, though!
(26 Jul 2015, 6:49 pm)8222 Wrote: Currently on 180112 on the 1647 from KGX to SUN. Noticed it has had the vestibules redone with black flooring and the Grand Central logo on. Looks good. Shame the rest of the carriage is still in First colours... Here's hoping this will change! Air con is working, though!

Forgot to add, its first class coach (E) has been refitted with leather seats. Saw it as I was walking past at Sunderland. Looked pretty nice! Let's hope for some nicer interiors for standard... All they seem to have done to standard is re-lino the vestibules and the luggage racks. Looks like a job done on the cheap to me. The HSTs are so much nicer to travel on.
So why do none of these trains ever stop at Newcastle? they end up at Heaton anyway so they may as well try and compete with the other services from there such as East Coast. Plus it means an extra service from Durham and Hartlepool to Newcastle.
I think it's something to do with the money they earn. Don't ask me how it works, but I remember reading a few years back that they take a hefty chunk of money from East Coast for operating York - Kings Cross. I think they get a bigger amount of money than what fares they actually take for their services alone. I think the same is true for Hull Trains and is the reason why the West Yorkshire service stops at Doncaster. I think it's all divided up proportionally. If it went to Newcastle, I think the Rail Regulators wouldn't allow it as they would be seen to take too much money from the main ECML route, hence the random start point of Sunderland.
(27 Jul 2015, 7:53 pm)Busman69 Wrote: So why do none of these trains ever stop at Newcastle? they end up at Heaton anyway so they may as well try and compete with the other services from there such as East Coast. Plus it means an extra service from Durham and Hartlepool to Newcastle.

Go to the third post - I think it explains it quite well here. Smile

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/in...213AAyIHCg
(27 Jul 2015, 9:01 pm)8222 Wrote: I think it's something to do with the money they earn. Don't ask me how it works, but I remember reading a few years back that they take a hefty chunk of money from East Coast for operating York - Kings Cross. I think they get a bigger amount of money than what fares they actually take for their services alone. I think the same is true for Hull Trains and is the reason why the West Yorkshire service stops at Doncaster. I think it's all divided up proportionally. If it went to Newcastle, I think the Rail Regulators wouldn't allow it as they would be seen to take too much money from the main ECML route, hence the random start point of Sunderland.

That's quite worrying, as it seems that would be a direct barrier to any competition, and being detrimental to the consumer. Is there not a competition regulator for these things, to stop one service creating a monopoly.
That's what it appears to be. But you know, David Cameron has to look after his mates at Stagecoach/Virgin/First and not the general public...
(27 Jul 2015, 9:20 pm)Busman69 Wrote: That's quite worrying, as it seems that would be a direct barrier to any competition, and being detrimental to the consumer. Is there not a competition regulator for these things, to stop one service creating a monopoly.

You would think so.

But look at who operates on the ECML, WCML and Midland Mainline and their shareholders.
Then look at who operates coach services between Scotland and England down both sides of the country and who flies from Edinburgh to London.
There is a common theme and the two dominant figures both have beards

The operators into London from the home counties are also worth looking at.
The main player, have their registered office on Grey St.

The open market has failed the consumer.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
(27 Jul 2015, 9:37 pm)Andreos1 Wrote: You would think so.

But look at who operates on the ECML, WCML and Midland Mainline and their shareholders.
Then look at who operates coach services between Scotland and England down both sides of the country and who flies from Edinburgh to London.
There is a common theme and the two dominant figures both have beards

The operators into London from the home counties are also worth looking at.
The main player, have their registered office on Grey St.

The open market has failed the consumer.

I'm sure that's why the split between Virgin and Stagecoach on the VTEC franchise is different so it evades the EU competition commission.
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/13636871...es_awards/
Has anyone else experienced the new Grand Central 180 first class?

Personally, I think the seats are dead smart, but not a fan of the vinyl wraps on the windows, they really restrict the view you get.

I sincerely hope they do something to the class 180 standard class, the old first moquette is looking extremely tired and does not fit with their brand identity at all.
(20 Dec 2015, 1:51 pm)8222 Wrote: Has anyone else experienced the new Grand Central 180 first class?

Personally, I think the seats are dead smart, but not a fan of the vinyl wraps on the windows, they really restrict the view you get.

I sincerely hope they do something to the class 180 standard class, the old first moquette is looking extremely tired and does not fit with their brand identity at all.

Evening all! Just about this post - does anyone know if Grand Central have plans for their standard class on the 180s? I just had an email through with a link to a survey. On it, one of the questions sought after ideas towards replacing all plug sockets with USB ports. Cannot say I am a fan of that... 

Here's the link:

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/onboardsurvey2016

Aircraft flown on:

744, 77W, 772, E145, E190, E170, E175, E195, A319, A320, A320NEO, A321, A321NEO, A330-200, A340-600 763, 752, 733, 737, 738, CRJ900, CRJ1000
Favourite aircraft: G-STBL/G-ZBKL

Has anyone else seen this on Grand Central's FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/grandcentralrai...89/?type=3&theater

Aircraft flown on:

744, 77W, 772, E145, E190, E170, E175, E195, A319, A320, A320NEO, A321, A321NEO, A330-200, A340-600 763, 752, 733, 737, 738, CRJ900, CRJ1000
Favourite aircraft: G-STBL/G-ZBKL

(09 May 2016, 8:35 pm)8222 Wrote: Has anyone else seen this on Grand Central's FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/grandcentralrai...89/?type=3&theater

Blackpool to London Euston via the WCML has been accepted http://www.alliancerail.co.uk/2015/08/07...nd-london/
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(09 May 2016, 8:38 pm)South Tyne Lad Wrote: Blackpool to London Euston via the WCML has been accepted http://www.alliancerail.co.uk/2015/08/07...nd-london/

I thought they would have left publicising that to a later date. I was hoping for a refurb of standard class on the 180s...  Here's hoping!

Aircraft flown on:

744, 77W, 772, E145, E190, E170, E175, E195, A319, A320, A320NEO, A321, A321NEO, A330-200, A340-600 763, 752, 733, 737, 738, CRJ900, CRJ1000
Favourite aircraft: G-STBL/G-ZBKL

(09 May 2016, 8:43 pm)8222 Wrote: I thought they would have left publicising that to a later date. I was hoping for a refurb of standard class on the 180s...  Here's hoping!

I thought that too, Though most of the public will only know the " Grand Central " arm of Alliance Rail, Not the main body itself.

Its a shame they refurbed First Class but didn't touch Standard, The interiors all mismatched I think haha.
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(09 May 2016, 8:35 pm)8222 Wrote: Has anyone else seen this on Grand Central's FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/grandcentralrai...89/?type=3&theater

They have been pushing those images on Twitter too.
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