Go North East : Upcoming Service Changes

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Has the X1 really seen such a reduction in passenger numbers, or is this another case where they need buses elsewhere so have been forced to reduce the frequency. In my experience it’s never what you might call quiet.
Today I travelled on 6 buses, three of them were Versas (6, 12A and X85) for journeys Whickham to Metrocentre, Blaydon to Newcastle and Newcastle to Denton Burn. I like Versas. For Whickham I got the X31 and the journey was much better. As usual the 74 was an Optare Solo, and Solos are not the best.

Hopefully the 684 will get upgraded in the future.

One bus per hour is not a good level of service.
It’s not but probably all it merits. The network has lost a generation of passengers who have either been at home, use cars or just don’t see buses as reliable (not even taking into account a generation of school kids who’ve missed whole years of school and those early days of freedom)

Parents won’t put their nearest and dearest on a bus, commuters can’t rely on them and those that stick in aren’t rewarded, leisure travellers are turning to taxis, OAPs are staying local and ticketing is still restrictive and poor value…all added in with budget cuts and a government that doesn’t care about buses all that much. It’s much like the rail industry but minus the bonus of rail which has seen a switch from mid week commuter peaks to weekend peaks

More to come…
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I enjoyed my journeys today, but was disappointed to miss the 49 to Blaydon due to getting the 6 from Whickham, and subsequently learning the 49A doesn't serve Blaydon (then finding out it does, but a different bit of it!) and I didn't get to ride the 643 from Whickham to Metrocentre due to its hourly timetable (only missed it by about 5 minutes or so, I'd like to go on that soon). My 10B to Blaydon from the Metrocentre was an older bus I think and not branded for the service, but was a good journey regardless.

Definitely think it's time for the 74 to get new buses, even if remaining a minibus operation. Be interesting to see if the 74 can survive much longer.
(12 Jan 2022, 10:27 pm)Wybus Wrote: Has the X1 really seen such a reduction in passenger numbers, or is this another case where they need buses elsewhere so have been forced to reduce the frequency. In my experience it’s never what you might call quiet.
Its gets really busy, so i think its probably just resource management. An alternative service even just to Washington would help, but at the moment its just pdfs in the suggestions thread.
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I'm confused why the 684 falls under Tynedale Links branding on the website. Like are the Versas going into Tynedale Links
Crikey, nearly 2 hours from Middlesbrough to Newcastle on the X10, not an attractive prospect. Hopefully the passengers saved from serving both are greater than those put off by the convoluted journey around Teesside.

(29 Dec 2021, 10:59 am)Dan Wrote: The X9 and the X85 are all ‘recent’ developments and built upon the existing foundations to deliver growth.

Referring to a service introduced 13 years ago as ‘recent’ may be where people get the impression the bus industry is a bit stale.
(12 Jan 2022, 11:10 am)streetdeckfan Wrote: I love how there's absolutely no mention of the huge downgrade in vehicles on the X84, sorry 684

It's all about positive language, isn't it?

"From 30 January, we will be implementing some service changes to better match service capacity to long-term demand expectations, and continuing our work to adjust schedules in response to new traffic congestion issues." is a lot of waffle for saying "we're cutting some services because no one is using them"

I thought that the long-term demand expectation was 10% growth on the 2019 baseline by March 2024, with a further 10% growth on the 2019 baseline by March 2025? Or at least that is the target in the BSIP, unless something revised is going to be communicated. There's little point of having a target if you're conceding to it before it's even started.

On the X9/X10 bit, I wonder if 'high-specification nearly new double-deck buses' are an upgrade or downgrade on 'luxury coaches'? Smile
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(13 Jan 2022, 9:35 am)Adrian Wrote: It's all about positive language, isn't it?

On the X9/X10 bit, I wonder if 'high-specification nearly new double-deck buses' are an upgrade or downgrade on 'luxury coaches'? Smile

Nearly new gives me ebay outlet or car dealer vibes.

I'd doubt they need the marketing but the downgrades and route amends on the X9/10 and X84/5 are ideal for Northern trains.

The whole Go North East social pages at the moment are utterly depressing, service amends, daily short notice cancellations updates - I know they have to do these things as good communication but imagine as a leisure passenger/potential passenger looking on that page - you'd be horrified
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(13 Jan 2022, 9:35 am)Adrian Wrote: It's all about positive language, isn't it?

"From 30 January, we will be implementing some service changes to better match service capacity to long-term demand expectations, and continuing our work to adjust schedules in response to new traffic congestion issues." is a lot of waffle for saying "we're cutting some services because no one is using them"

I thought that the long-term demand expectation was 10% growth on the 2019 baseline by March 2024, with a further 10% growth on the 2019 baseline by March 2025? Or at least that is the target in the BSIP, unless something revised is going to be communicated. There's little point of having a target if you're conceding to it before it's even started.

On the X9/X10 bit, I wonder if 'high-specification nearly new double-deck buses' are an upgrade or downgrade on 'luxury coaches'? Smile

Unless they're going to let you have a shit in the bins, I think it's probably a downgrade
(11 Jan 2022, 11:40 pm)peter Wrote: New timetables now up on the GNE site

-Hexham interworkings aren't immediately obvious - looks like the 680/684/688 will interwork in a roundabout sort of way, as well as the 686/687/689.
-The 55/X20 are now equally spaced from Sunderland, while on the X1 the :19 journeys will extend to Dalton Park and the :49 journeys to Peterlee.
-Looks like the 10/10A/10B will all interwork as opposed to the 10 being standalone
-Overall looks to be nothing that we didn't already know about

BIB: Having looked at the 10 timetable closely, it appears the 10A will be standalone while the 10/10B will interwork - the 10 depart Newcastle at xx00 and xx30 and arriving in at xx01 and xx31, with the 10Bs departing at xx10 and xx40 and arrive at xx21 and xx51. Meanwhile, the 10A to Blackhall Mill departs at 20 minutes past the hour and arrive at 11 minutes past while the Rockwood Hill trips departs at 50 minutes past and arrives at 41 minutes past. So, looking at things the 10A will be a PVR of 5 (3 on Blackhall Mill journeys and 2 on Rockwood Hill runs) while I think the 10/10B cycle will be a PVR of 11 (worked out by judging what time a bus leaving Hexham would get back to Hexham for its next trip from there) - so if I'm not much mistaken that means a combined PVR of 16 from these changes.
(13 Jan 2022, 11:14 am)streetdeckfan Wrote: Unless they're going to let you have a shit in the bins, I think it's probably a downgrade
Not like they let you have a shit anyway, toilet is either locked out of use or there's no toilet roll.