Go North East: Major Service Changes July 2022
Go North East: Major Service Changes July 2022
(07 Aug 2022, 7:48 pm)Unber43 From these changes, does anyone know which GNE routes don't have any Gov support at all, as I know a lot have them for early mornings and late nights and so far I have
X10
X1
65
21
X21
(28 Jul 2022, 1:06 am)peter Looking through BusTimes, which says if services are supported by subsidy, not sure how reliable that is mind, the only ones not supported by subsidy in any capacity are: 2/2a, 4, 21, 33, 38, 53/54, 56, 58, 97, X1, X6, X10, X21, X66
(07 Aug 2022, 7:48 pm)Unber43 From these changes, does anyone know which GNE routes don't have any Gov support at all, as I know a lot have them for early mornings and late nights and so far I have
X10
X1
65
21
X21
(28 Jul 2022, 1:06 am)peter Looking through BusTimes, which says if services are supported by subsidy, not sure how reliable that is mind, the only ones not supported by subsidy in any capacity are: 2/2a, 4, 21, 33, 38, 53/54, 56, 58, 97, X1, X6, X10, X21, X66
(07 Aug 2022, 7:48 pm)Unber43 From these changes, does anyone know which GNE routes don't have any Gov support at all, as I know a lot have them for early mornings and late nights and so far I have
X10
X1
65
21
X21
(07 Aug 2022, 7:48 pm)Unber43 From these changes, does anyone know which GNE routes don't have any Gov support at all, as I know a lot have them for early mornings and late nights and so far I have
X10
X1
65
21
X21
Residents feeling left behind after changes to Tynedale Links 681 bus
https://www.hexham-courant.co.uk/news/20...s-681-bus/
(21 Aug 2022, 12:44 am)Jimmi Residents feeling left behind after changes to Tynedale Links 681 busI wonder if NCC need the bus to do a school from September before and after the 681, and that is why they changed it?
https://www.hexham-courant.co.uk/news/20...s-681-bus/
(21 Aug 2022, 12:44 am)Jimmi Residents feeling left behind after changes to Tynedale Links 681 busI wonder if NCC need the bus to do a school from September before and after the 681, and that is why they changed it?
https://www.hexham-courant.co.uk/news/20...s-681-bus/
(21 Aug 2022, 7:15 am)DeltaMan I wonder if NCC need the bus to do a school from September before and after the 681, and that is why they changed it?
That would explain the squeezed timetables
(21 Aug 2022, 7:15 am)DeltaMan I wonder if NCC need the bus to do a school from September before and after the 681, and that is why they changed it?
That would explain the squeezed timetables
(21 Aug 2022, 8:19 am)GNE6312 Shouldn't really leave people with limited service just fir a scholars, if they need it just make it standalone and actually add the extra service to keep people connected and give people time to shop so people aren't isolated.I'm not justifying it, but I assume somebody at NCC has decided they can save the cost of a bus over the term of a contract, potentially hundreds of thousands of pounds, by simply changing the off peak timetable.
(21 Aug 2022, 8:19 am)GNE6312 Shouldn't really leave people with limited service just fir a scholars, if they need it just make it standalone and actually add the extra service to keep people connected and give people time to shop so people aren't isolated.I'm not justifying it, but I assume somebody at NCC has decided they can save the cost of a bus over the term of a contract, potentially hundreds of thousands of pounds, by simply changing the off peak timetable.
(21 Aug 2022, 8:19 am)GNE6312 Shouldn't really leave people with limited service just fir a scholars, if they need it just make it standalone and actually add the extra service to keep people connected and give people time to shop so people aren't isolated.
(21 Aug 2022, 8:19 am)GNE6312 Shouldn't really leave people with limited service just fir a scholars, if they need it just make it standalone and actually add the extra service to keep people connected and give people time to shop so people aren't isolated.
(21 Aug 2022, 9:20 am)Storx Heck it's probably cheaper to give tokens to the few villages along there which gives them a free taxi back from Haltwhistle when they need it so they can go whenever they want.
(21 Aug 2022, 9:20 am)Storx Might sound harsh but I don't know what the numbers are but if it's running empty 9/10 of the time, I'd rather my council tax was being paid somewhere more useful than running a bus service carrying fresh air in the middle of nowhere.
(21 Aug 2022, 9:20 am)Storx Might sound harsh but I don't know what the numbers are but if it's running empty 9/10 of the time, I'd rather my council tax was being paid somewhere more useful than running a bus service carrying fresh air in the middle of nowhere.
(21 Aug 2022, 9:20 am)Storx Might sound harsh but I don't know what the numbers are but if it's running empty 9/10 of the time, I'd rather my council tax was being paid somewhere more useful than running a bus service carrying fresh air in the middle of nowhere.
Heck it's probably cheaper to give tokens to the few villages along there which gives them a free taxi back from Haltwhistle when they need it so they can go whenever they want.
(21 Aug 2022, 9:20 am)Storx Might sound harsh but I don't know what the numbers are but if it's running empty 9/10 of the time, I'd rather my council tax was being paid somewhere more useful than running a bus service carrying fresh air in the middle of nowhere.
Heck it's probably cheaper to give tokens to the few villages along there which gives them a free taxi back from Haltwhistle when they need it so they can go whenever they want.
(21 Aug 2022, 7:15 am)DeltaMan I wonder if NCC need the bus to do a school from September before and after the 681, and that is why they changed it?Looking at the timetable it does scream that it's timetabled to fit round a scholars duty.
That would explain the squeezed timetable
(21 Aug 2022, 7:15 am)DeltaMan I wonder if NCC need the bus to do a school from September before and after the 681, and that is why they changed it?Looking at the timetable it does scream that it's timetabled to fit round a scholars duty.
That would explain the squeezed timetable
(21 Aug 2022, 1:19 pm)Jimmi Looking at the timetable it does scream that it's timetabled to fit round a scholars duty.Ah, well spotted with the Saturday. That will be it then. It must be a schools run which prevents the bus being in Alston earlier on weekdays
The later journeys on Saturday afternoons do remain however departing Alston at 15:15 and Birdoswald at 16:30 heading to Alston via Haltwhistle (must say I did the last 681 on a Saturday from Haltwhistle to Alston just before the changes and it only carried me and another enthusiast trying out the demo Iveco Ilesbus, was surprised to pick up another passenger along the route on the now withdrawn X81 to Hexham)
(21 Aug 2022, 1:19 pm)Jimmi Looking at the timetable it does scream that it's timetabled to fit round a scholars duty.Ah, well spotted with the Saturday. That will be it then. It must be a schools run which prevents the bus being in Alston earlier on weekdays
The later journeys on Saturday afternoons do remain however departing Alston at 15:15 and Birdoswald at 16:30 heading to Alston via Haltwhistle (must say I did the last 681 on a Saturday from Haltwhistle to Alston just before the changes and it only carried me and another enthusiast trying out the demo Iveco Ilesbus, was surprised to pick up another passenger along the route on the now withdrawn X81 to Hexham)
(21 Aug 2022, 9:20 am)Storx Might sound harsh but I don't know what the numbers are but if it's running empty 9/10 of the time, I'd rather my council tax was being paid somewhere more useful than running a bus service carrying fresh air in the middle of nowhere.
Heck it's probably cheaper to give tokens to the few villages along there which gives them a free taxi back from Haltwhistle when they need it so they can go whenever they want.
(21 Aug 2022, 9:20 am)Storx Might sound harsh but I don't know what the numbers are but if it's running empty 9/10 of the time, I'd rather my council tax was being paid somewhere more useful than running a bus service carrying fresh air in the middle of nowhere.
Heck it's probably cheaper to give tokens to the few villages along there which gives them a free taxi back from Haltwhistle when they need it so they can go whenever they want.
Another thing I’ve heard is that the 0900 from Alston was never supposed to accept Cumbria concessionary passes as they’re only active after 09:30.
So elderly passengers never really wanted to pay.
And from speaking to drivers that I know. During the months of winter you’d be lucky to have more than five passengers across the entire 10hrs30 shift.
And of them, they may not even take any cash or card fares.
(21 Aug 2022, 11:56 am)Adrian Business is never going to be booming, given the tiny settlements that it serves South of Haltwhistle. Alston is probably the biggest and even at that, there's only around 1,000 living there. Just because they're tiny settlements, it doesn't mean they're not worth your council tax and should live in isolation.
It's literally two buses a day, and all they're asking for is for some common-sense in the timetable. It's probably safe to assume that Haltwhistle is the direction of travel, given that is where most services are, yet the timetable doesn't provide a return journey for the second Haltwhistle-bound bus a day. Who are we timetabling for? The people that use buses, or the people that run them?
This is the type of service councils should be supporting in my opinion, because those who don't or can't drive, are left with very few other options. The suggestion of taxi tokens is a moot point, because there's very unlikely to be anyone providing taxi services in the local vicinity. They're likely having to come from one of the bigger settlements like Brampton or Haltwhistle.
(21 Aug 2022, 11:56 am)Adrian Business is never going to be booming, given the tiny settlements that it serves South of Haltwhistle. Alston is probably the biggest and even at that, there's only around 1,000 living there. Just because they're tiny settlements, it doesn't mean they're not worth your council tax and should live in isolation.
It's literally two buses a day, and all they're asking for is for some common-sense in the timetable. It's probably safe to assume that Haltwhistle is the direction of travel, given that is where most services are, yet the timetable doesn't provide a return journey for the second Haltwhistle-bound bus a day. Who are we timetabling for? The people that use buses, or the people that run them?
This is the type of service councils should be supporting in my opinion, because those who don't or can't drive, are left with very few other options. The suggestion of taxi tokens is a moot point, because there's very unlikely to be anyone providing taxi services in the local vicinity. They're likely having to come from one of the bigger settlements like Brampton or Haltwhistle.
(21 Aug 2022, 11:56 am)Adrian Business is never going to be booming, given the tiny settlements that it serves South of Haltwhistle. Alston is probably the biggest and even at that, there's only around 1,000 living there. Just because they're tiny settlements, it doesn't mean they're not worth your council tax and should live in isolation.
It's literally two buses a day, and all they're asking for is for some common-sense in the timetable. It's probably safe to assume that Haltwhistle is the direction of travel, given that is where most services are, yet the timetable doesn't provide a return journey for the second Haltwhistle-bound bus a day. Who are we timetabling for? The people that use buses, or the people that run them?
This is the type of service councils should be supporting in my opinion, because those who don't or can't drive, are left with very few other options. The suggestion of taxi tokens is a moot point, because there's very unlikely to be anyone providing taxi services in the local vicinity. They're likely having to come from one of the bigger settlements like Brampton or Haltwhistle.
(21 Aug 2022, 11:56 am)Adrian Business is never going to be booming, given the tiny settlements that it serves South of Haltwhistle. Alston is probably the biggest and even at that, there's only around 1,000 living there. Just because they're tiny settlements, it doesn't mean they're not worth your council tax and should live in isolation.
It's literally two buses a day, and all they're asking for is for some common-sense in the timetable. It's probably safe to assume that Haltwhistle is the direction of travel, given that is where most services are, yet the timetable doesn't provide a return journey for the second Haltwhistle-bound bus a day. Who are we timetabling for? The people that use buses, or the people that run them?
This is the type of service councils should be supporting in my opinion, because those who don't or can't drive, are left with very few other options. The suggestion of taxi tokens is a moot point, because there's very unlikely to be anyone providing taxi services in the local vicinity. They're likely having to come from one of the bigger settlements like Brampton or Haltwhistle.
(21 Aug 2022, 11:56 am)Adrian Business is never going to be booming, given the tiny settlements that it serves South of Haltwhistle. Alston is probably the biggest and even at that, there's only around 1,000 living there. Just because they're tiny settlements, it doesn't mean they're not worth your council tax and should live in isolation.
It's literally two buses a day, and all they're asking for is for some common-sense in the timetable. It's probably safe to assume that Haltwhistle is the direction of travel, given that is where most services are, yet the timetable doesn't provide a return journey for the second Haltwhistle-bound bus a day. Who are we timetabling for? The people that use buses, or the people that run them?
This is the type of service councils should be supporting in my opinion, because those who don't or can't drive, are left with very few other options. The suggestion of taxi tokens is a moot point, because there's very unlikely to be anyone providing taxi services in the local vicinity. They're likely having to come from one of the bigger settlements like Brampton or Haltwhistle.
(21 Aug 2022, 9:13 pm)xpm and that is exactly the problem - half the time it is completely empty, might take an odd one or two from Alston to halty and back, a couple from Halton Lea Gate, and someone from Slaggy, but that's about it. It could be a completely soul destroying duty ten and a half hours of solitude - worse in the winter when the weather came in - running about in bad conditions for no benefit for anyone - that triip back across Alston Moor and Whitfield could be long and hairy.
From what I understand it's a Beechings route - so there's always going to be some sort of service on there with a minimum number of journeys. Prior to the most recent changes most people agreed the direction of travel at the time was the wrong way around - so it should have been going to Alston when it was coming from there - and vice-versa.
In latter years the last 185 was always empty both ways, and more often than not asides from tourist season you could often carry less than half a dozen people a day on all of the 185 trips.
681 was sometimes a little busier depending on whether an odd group of teenagers wanted to go to Halty to generally make a nuisance of themselves around the train station, but again more often than not it was an odd person here and there that were regulars - and by regular that was more often than not, once a week.
(21 Aug 2022, 11:56 am)Adrian Business is never going to be booming, given the tiny settlements that it serves South of Haltwhistle. Alston is probably the biggest and even at that, there's only around 1,000 living there. Just because they're tiny settlements, it doesn't mean they're not worth your council tax and should live in isolation.
It's literally two buses a day, and all they're asking for is for some common-sense in the timetable. It's probably safe to assume that Haltwhistle is the direction of travel, given that is where most services are, yet the timetable doesn't provide a return journey for the second Haltwhistle-bound bus a day. Who are we timetabling for? The people that use buses, or the people that run them?
This is the type of service councils should be supporting in my opinion, because those who don't or can't drive, are left with very few other options. The suggestion of taxi tokens is a moot point, because there's very unlikely to be anyone providing taxi services in the local vicinity. They're likely having to come from one of the bigger settlements like Brampton or Haltwhistle.
(21 Aug 2022, 9:13 pm)xpm and that is exactly the problem - half the time it is completely empty, might take an odd one or two from Alston to halty and back, a couple from Halton Lea Gate, and someone from Slaggy, but that's about it. It could be a completely soul destroying duty ten and a half hours of solitude - worse in the winter when the weather came in - running about in bad conditions for no benefit for anyone - that triip back across Alston Moor and Whitfield could be long and hairy.
From what I understand it's a Beechings route - so there's always going to be some sort of service on there with a minimum number of journeys. Prior to the most recent changes most people agreed the direction of travel at the time was the wrong way around - so it should have been going to Alston when it was coming from there - and vice-versa.
In latter years the last 185 was always empty both ways, and more often than not asides from tourist season you could often carry less than half a dozen people a day on all of the 185 trips.
681 was sometimes a little busier depending on whether an odd group of teenagers wanted to go to Halty to generally make a nuisance of themselves around the train station, but again more often than not it was an odd person here and there that were regulars - and by regular that was more often than not, once a week.
Surely this is exactly the sort of area where DRT is perfect for?
(22 Aug 2022, 12:06 pm)Ambassador Surely this is exactly the sort of area where DRT is perfect for?
(22 Aug 2022, 12:06 pm)Ambassador Surely this is exactly the sort of area where DRT is perfect for?
(22 Aug 2022, 12:06 pm)Ambassador Surely this is exactly the sort of area where DRT is perfect for?
(22 Aug 2022, 12:06 pm)Ambassador Surely this is exactly the sort of area where DRT is perfect for?
