PB0002032/450
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 308 (306, 308) Blyth Newcastle

PB0002032/340
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 53 (53) Cramlington North Shields

PB0002032/9
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 45 (45) Newcastle Dinnington

PB0002032/342
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 43 (43) Newcastle Morpeth

Bets the 53/45/43 are going back to Norman timetable

Did they have timetables back in 1066 AD. I seem to remember you had to stand at the side of the track and clamber aboard the next ox-drawn cart going your way !

Interesting to see the 51 has nothing and there's a local councillor bragging how he 'saved the route' on Facebook. So either Arriva has won the tender(s) and they've bid it as the current 51 (wouldn't need another bus), Nexus has had a change in heart or Arriva has took it on commercially or it's coming later, but it's going to be tight timing wise.

(12 Feb 2023, 11:21 am)Storx wrote Interesting to see the 51 has nothing and there's a local councillor bragging how he 'saved the route' on Facebook. So either Arriva has won the tender(s) and they've bid it as the current 51 (wouldn't need another bus), Nexus has had a change in heart or Arriva has took it on commercially or it's coming later, but it's going to be tight timing wise.

Do we know if Arriva were planning to withdraw the Holystone-Newcastle section if the changes went ahead?

I'd be surprised if they did as I've seen it a few times over the past week and each time it has been pretty busy. A couple of Streetlites leaving Newcastle at peak times had few seats left (although maybe it could be because of cancellations?)

(12 Feb 2023, 11:57 am)Thomas12 wrote Do we know if Arriva were planning to withdraw the Holystone-Newcastle section if the changes went ahead?

I'd be surprised if they did as I've seen it a few times over the past week and each time it has been pretty busy. A couple of Streetlites leaving Newcastle at peak times had few seats left (although maybe it could be because of cancellations?)

Not aware as far as I know. It'll cause problems though as it's slots interworking where the other 54 was so unless they made a 75/135 minute round trip then problems were going to come and that's pretty much Shiremoor Metro anyway.

If Arriva is going for the tender it made sense to keep them together, it was a bizarre move imo and benefited no-one. Heck even withdraw the W2 altogether since it's walking distance to other buses anyway and is pointless in comparison.

(12 Feb 2023, 12:16 pm)Storx wrote Not aware as far as I know. It'll cause problems though as it's slots interworking where the other 54 was so unless they made a 75/135 minute round trip then problems were going to come and that's pretty much Shiremoor Metro anyway.

If Arriva is going for the tender it made sense to keep them together, it was a bizarre move imo and benefited no-one. Heck even withdraw the W2 altogether since it's walking distance to other buses anyway and is pointless in comparison.

To be honest, a re-increased 55 between Newcastle and Forest Hall (every 15-20 mins) with an hourly extension to Whitley Bay would've made more sense with GNE picking up Wiltshire Drive to Newcastle.

Unless GNE, Arriva and Nexus have other plans, a big trick has been missed to use this as an opportunity to sort the Coast Road out with a clean 5 minute service & joint ticketing.

With an extended 55, options could've been.....

Option 1:
- 22 - every 20 minutes to Cobalt and every 20 to Hadrian Park
- 306 - every 20 minutes and omitting Battle Hill
- 308 - every 20 minutes
- 309 - every 20 minutes and via High Farm
- 310 - every 20 minutes and via Wiltshire Drive

Option 2:
- 306 - every 20 minutes and omitting Battle Hill
- 308 - every 20 minutes
- 309 - every 30 minutes and via High Farm
- 310 - every 30 minutes and via Cobalt (combined 10/20 frequency with 309)
- 311 - every 30 minutes with Hadrian Park kept on the Coast Road network but via Wiltshire Drive

(12 Feb 2023, 11:57 am)Thomas12 wrote I'd be surprised if they did as I've seen it a few times over the past week and each time it has been pretty busy. A couple of Streetlites leaving Newcastle at peak times had few seats left (although maybe it could be because of cancellations?)

Believe cancellations from Blyth and Jesmond/Walkergate are now minimal due to the agency drivers and the 685 coming off. Wouldn't be surprised if the 43 is going back to its old frequency in these changes.

(10 Feb 2023, 6:09 pm)Michael wrote PB0002032/450
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 308 (306, 308) Blyth Newcastle

PB0002032/340
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 53 (53) Cramlington North Shields

PB0002032/9
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 45 (45) Newcastle Dinnington

PB0002032/342
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 43 (43) Newcastle Morpeth

PB0002032/336
Variation ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD 44 (44) Newcastle Dinnington

Some of the changes have appeared on bustimes.org

44/45/53/306/308 listed as Variation

43 is oddly marked as 42

555 is Cancelled

(13 Feb 2023, 10:25 am)Aaron21 wrote Some of the changes have appeared on bustimes.org

44/45/53/306/308 listed as Variation

43 is oddly marked as 42

555 is Cancelled

Dont see any of them

(13 Feb 2023, 11:08 am)V514DFT wrote Dont see any of them

There in the cancellation section of bustimes.org

https://bustimes.org/licences/PB0002032

(13 Feb 2023, 10:25 am)Aaron21 wrote Some of the changes have appeared on bustimes.org

44/45/53/306/308 listed as Variation

43 is oddly marked as 42

555 is Cancelled

Could it be to do with Arriva moving out of Walkergate and moving those routes to Ashington as I'm sure I seen somewhere that they were meant be moving all the Walkergate stuff to Ashington in march although not 100% sure if it's true

At a public meeting Arriva held in Dudley last year, the Arriva manager had said they expected to be able to return services to full timetables in Q1 of 2023. So hopefully their recruitment is on course and that is the upcoming changes.

(13 Feb 2023, 3:32 pm)EastCoastMXZ1751 wrote Could it be to do with Arriva moving out of Walkergate and moving those routes to Ashington as I'm sure I seen somewhere that they were meant be moving all the Walkergate stuff to Ashington in march although not 100% sure if it's true

Unless I've missed the works, can't see anything going to Ashington anytime soon there's not the space for it as far I'm aware.

Assuming they're going to be extending into the yard next to it and that's where the electric buses will be going as there's no space for electric vehicles at Blyth either.

But then again unless they displace all the Pulsar's out of Blyth then there's no space either for them plus the Streetlite's either.

So who knows tbh.

For anything to be moved from Walkergate expansion needs to happen at Ashington or Blyth. Certainly nothing will be moving from there by the end of March.

The changes are almost certainly linked to frequency, which as pointed out was promised to be returned to normal on the 43/44/45 by around this time.

And not a single mention in the document about Stagecoach, 22 and Hadrian Park either.....

43 (marked as 42 om bustimes.org) has had the Kirkhill part added onto it now. I'm wondering if the 43 will replace the 2 between Morpeth * Kirkhill

(14 Feb 2023, 5:52 pm)Aaron21 wrote 43 (marked as 42 om bustimes.org) has had the Kirkhill part added onto it now. I'm wondering if the 43 will replace the 2 between Morpeth * Kirkhill

That's a bus times error.
When you look the service up on the official website, no mention of the 42 or Kirkhill.

Just the 43 as usual.

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...ls/606958/

It's a shame they couldn't do a similar thing with the X21 and 6!

(14 Feb 2023, 8:07 pm)RobinHood wrote That's a bus times error.
When you look the service up on the official website, no mention of the 42 or Kirkhill.

Just the 43 as usual.

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...ls/606958/

Meh could possibly but I checked the other day when I put up the changes & the Kirkhill part was not there. It just said 42 Morpeth & Newcastle. 

Was only after someone mentioning it me today that it now says Kirkhill and it can't be a mistake as its always read Morpeth

(14 Feb 2023, 8:07 pm)RobinHood wrote That's a bus times error.
When you look the service up on the official website, no mention of the 42 or Kirkhill.

Just the 43 as usual.

https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.s...ls/606958/

The mention of a 42 and Kirkhill likely are coming from when it was first registered back in 2010.

It's not the only one showing an old service number on a registration on BusTimes, the Newcastle to Hexham stretch of the 685 is showing as 85 Newcastle to Haydon Bridge in the cancellation section on its registration.

Posts around the Coast Road changes moved here: Qualifying Agreement - A1058 Coast Road

(13 Feb 2023, 3:32 pm)EastCoastMXZ1751 wrote Could it be to do with Arriva moving out of Walkergate and moving those routes to Ashington as I'm sure I seen somewhere that they were meant be moving all the Walkergate stuff to Ashington in march although not 100% sure if it's true

The initial plan was March, however they're staying until the summer at least.

However with the sale of the land behind Ashington depot, I can't see anything transferring to there.

Off yesterday:

PB0002717/239 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Durham
Service number: 1X12 (X12, X12)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/454 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Netherfields
Service number: S8 (8)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/256 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Trimdon Village
Service number: 57 (57)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/520 Cancelled
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Hartlepool
Service number: D8158 (58)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/220 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Hartlepool to Sunderland
Service number: 23 (23)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023


PB0002717/201 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Red Hall to Branksome
Service number: D2 (2A, 2, 2, 2)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/200 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Darlington
Service number: X66 (X66, X66)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/321 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Kingsmead/Stockton
Service number: 17 (17, 17A, X17)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 20 Feb 2023


PB0002717/318 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Roseworth to Ingleby Barwick
Service number: 15 (15)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 20 Feb 2023

PB0002717/315 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Lingdale/Stokesley
Service number: 28 (28, 28A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 20 Feb 2023

PB0002032/333 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Morpeth to Thropton via via Morpeth
Service number: 2X14 (X14)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 26 Mar 2023

PB0002717/309 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Easington
Service number: 1X4 (X4A, X4)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/308 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby to Loftus
Service number: 2X4 (X4A, X4)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/387 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Guisborough
Service number: 1X93 (X94, X93)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/388 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Guisborough to Whitby
Service number: 2X93 (X94, X93)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/389 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby to Scarborough
Service number: 3X93 (X94, X93)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/451 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby Sainsburys to Sleights
Service number: 95 (95)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023


Today:

PB0002717/573 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby Park and Ride to Whitby Park and Ride
Service number: P1 (P2)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

(17 Feb 2023, 11:11 am)Michael wrote Off yesterday:

PB0002717/239 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Durham
Service number: 1X12 (X12, X12)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/454 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Netherfields
Service number: S8 (8)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/256 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Trimdon Village
Service number: 57 (57)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/520 Cancelled
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Durham to Hartlepool
Service number: D8158 (58)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/220 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Hartlepool to Sunderland
Service number: 23 (23)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023


PB0002717/201 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Red Hall to Branksome
Service number: D2 (2A, 2, 2, 2)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/200 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Darlington
Service number: X66 (X66, X66)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/321 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Kingsmead/Stockton
Service number: 17 (17, 17A, X17)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 20 Feb 2023


PB0002717/318 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Roseworth to Ingleby Barwick
Service number: 15 (15)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 20 Feb 2023

PB0002717/315 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Lingdale/Stokesley
Service number: 28 (28, 28A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 20 Feb 2023

PB0002032/333 Registered (Short notice)
ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD
Route: Morpeth to Thropton via via Morpeth
Service number: 2X14 (X14)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 26 Mar 2023

PB0002717/309 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Easington
Service number: 1X4 (X4A, X4)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/308 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby to Loftus
Service number: 2X4 (X4A, X4)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/387 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Middlesbrough to Guisborough
Service number: 1X93 (X94, X93)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/388 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Guisborough to Whitby
Service number: 2X93 (X94, X93)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/389 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby to Scarborough
Service number: 3X93 (X94, X93)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

PB0002717/451 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby Sainsburys to Sleights
Service number: 95 (95)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023


Today:

PB0002717/573 Registered
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
Route: Whitby Park and Ride to Whitby Park and Ride
Service number: P1 (P2)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 02 Apr 2023

Just putting this out there as a pie in the sky suggestion, I wonder with the changes on April 2nd for services 23/57/57a, since the 57/57a maybe only going between Durham and Trimdon, I wonder if service 23 will divert between Hartlepool and Peterlee via the 57/a between Hartlepool and Trimdon then onwards to Peterlee via x21 route of some sort?.


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(20 Feb 2023, 9:19 am)cbma06 wrote Just putting this out there as a suggestion, I wonder with the changes on April 2nd for services 23/57/57a, since the 57/57a maybe only going between Durham and Trimdon, I wonder if service 23 will divert between Hartlepool and Peterlee via the 57/a between Hartlepool and Trimdon then onwards to Peterlee via x21 route of some sort?.


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I hope not. The 23 to Sunderland from Hartlepool 
already takes several lifetimes . I suffered it on Saturday due to train issues.

57/57A contact ends in March. These are just registering what is essentially the old commercial position I suspect.

Changes to the 23 are early morning journeys only.