Arriva North East: Service Suggestions

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(29 Dec 2021, 7:25 am)omnicity4659 Wrote: I think it's about time that services on Bank Holidays that aren't heavily followed run to a normal timetable. I didn't know, along with many others, that there were two Bank Holidays this week!

I noticed that Arriva were duplicating certain journeys on the X21 yesterday though.

Eh? really?
(29 Dec 2021, 3:06 pm)Rob44 Wrote: Eh? really?

It amazes me so many people are shocked about when bank holidays are in relation to the Christmas/New Year period.

Perhaps it's because I know how many days annual leave I've used for the days which aren't bank holidays!
(29 Dec 2021, 3:26 pm)Dan Wrote: It amazes me so many people are shocked about when bank holidays are in relation to the Christmas/New Year period.

Perhaps it's because I know how many days annual leave I've used for the days which aren't bank holidays!
I know quite a few people who didn't know that Tuesday was also a bank holiday, they just assumed that only the one bank holiday rolled over

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Would any services benefit from using PSVAR Coaches, i'm thinking along the lines of X15/X18
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(03 Jan 2022, 12:33 am)ASX_Terranova Wrote: Would any services benefit from using PSVAR Coaches, i'm thinking along the lines of X15/X18
They were Coaches on them routes originally (when they were number 501/505/518)
(03 Jan 2022, 12:33 am)ASX_Terranova Wrote: Would any services benefit from using PSVAR Coaches, i'm thinking along the lines of X15/X18
That's a funny one. GNE had a coach operation on the X9/X10 but soon moving away from that. 

If DB see a long term future in Arriva or Arriva are takenover with investment, high spec coach seated E400MMCs with ZF gearboxes and 10.9M length would be ideal for the X15/X18. Obviously Arriva would need a clear cascade plan for when they'd be between 5-7 years old.

Alternatively, Scania N250UD E400MMC or OM936 StreetDeck also could be an option.
(03 Jan 2022, 12:33 am)ASX_Terranova Wrote: Would any services benefit from using PSVAR Coaches, i'm thinking along the lines of X15/X18

I'd love to see the 20 plate Mercedes Tourismo Greenline coaches come up here (providing they own them), there's about 7 of them doing absolutely nothing in Luton since they've withdrawn all the Greenline routes but the 757.
I think North Road services might suffer from a lot of late running considering the extra time it takes to get on and off with high steps, wheelchair lifts etc. The X18 for example is basically a local stopping service north of Morpeth so would coaches be suitable? Summer loadings can be pretty high and often need a double decker on both routes, plus from a tourism point of view, double deckers give a superb view - thinking of the Warkworth - Alnwick and the coastal route north of Alnwick.
(03 Jan 2022, 10:44 am)RMF1254 Wrote: I think North Road services might suffer from a lot of late running considering the extra time it takes to get on and off with high steps, wheelchair lifts etc. The X18 for example is basically a local stopping service north of Morpeth so would coaches be suitable? Summer loadings can be pretty high and often need a double decker on both routes, plus from a tourism point of view, double deckers give a superb view - thinking of the Warkworth - Alnwick and the coastal route north of Alnwick.

Yeah I was thinking more for the X15 rather than the X18 which agreed wouldn't be ideal through Amble etc. It's pretty much non stop, only stops at 2 bus stops through Gosforth then nothing to Morpeth then nothing bar a few villages to Alnwick.

If loadings are too high in the Summer then imo they should be creative and introduce a few peak time Newcastle -> Morpeth -> Alnwick -> (running via Denwick) -> Beadnall-> Seahouses -> Bamburgh services similar to the GNE X11. Most people would appreciate the quicker journey times on day trips rather than meandering around Amble, Broomhill and Pegwood etc anyway.
(03 Jan 2022, 11:10 am)Storx Wrote: Yeah I was thinking more for the X15 rather than the X18 which agreed wouldn't be ideal through Amble etc. It's pretty much non stop, only stops at 2 bus stops through Gosforth then nothing to Morpeth then nothing bar a few villages to Alnwick.

If loadings are too high in the Summer then imo they should be creative and introduce a few peak time Newcastle -> Morpeth -> Alnwick -> (running via Denwick) -> Beadnall-> Seahouses -> Bamburgh services similar to the GNE X11. Most people would appreciate the quicker journey times on day trips rather than meandering around Amble, Broomhill and Pegwood etc anyway.

The X15 still serves 11 stops on paper between Gosforth and Morpeth, then another 31 between Morpeth and Alnwick. I'd imagine they're not all frequently used, but even stopping at 1/3 of those stops in a coach is likely to add significant delay onto your journey. You see it already with people navigating the steep steps on the X9/X10 interdecks.
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(03 Jan 2022, 12:26 pm)Adrian Wrote: The X15 still serves 11 stops on paper between Gosforth and Morpeth, then another 31 between Morpeth and Alnwick. I'd imagine they're not all frequently used, but even stopping at 1/3 of those stops in a coach is likely to add significant delay onto your journey. You see it already with people navigating the steep steps on the X9/X10 interdecks.

Yeah that's a fair point, mind I'm not sure there many issues with timings when they were ran with the Plaxton coaches to pretty recently and ironically the Greenline coaches before that and there's no real difficulties with the Inverness to Thurso or Inverness to Aberdeen services which have similar stopping patterns.

Mind it was interesting to see the passengers moaning up in Thurso about interdeck coaches similar to the X9/X10 buses and wanted a normal coach back on - https://www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/new...sm-204716/ over toilets.
(03 Jan 2022, 12:26 pm)Adrian Wrote: The X15 still serves 11 stops on paper between Gosforth and Morpeth, then another 31 between Morpeth and Alnwick. I'd imagine they're not all frequently used, but even stopping at 1/3 of those stops in a coach is likely to add significant delay onto your journey. You see it already with people navigating the steep steps on the X9/X10 interdecks.


To be fair the steps onto a Tourismo are very shallow, nothing like the Interdecks. Still have an issue should you need to load a wheelchair though!


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