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11 Jan 2019, 10:55 am #701
(11 Jan 2019, 9:58 am)Pulsar Would be good to see Glen Valley get the Wooler routes back or possibly Borders Buses which could create new travel opportunities as they already operate Berwick to Wooler. 

Just to clarify is it just the 470 and 473 that PCL are losing or is it also the 15.

I've heard PCL can only run 5 services now with restrictions placed on their O-licence so I think the 15 will still remain theirs. I've also heard GVT have sold all their Solos now so I'm not sure how interested they will be to try and win the 470/473 back.

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Cobalt271
11 Jan 2019, 10:55 am #701

(11 Jan 2019, 9:58 am)Pulsar Would be good to see Glen Valley get the Wooler routes back or possibly Borders Buses which could create new travel opportunities as they already operate Berwick to Wooler. 

Just to clarify is it just the 470 and 473 that PCL are losing or is it also the 15.

I've heard PCL can only run 5 services now with restrictions placed on their O-licence so I think the 15 will still remain theirs. I've also heard GVT have sold all their Solos now so I'm not sure how interested they will be to try and win the 470/473 back.


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Dan

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11 Jan 2019, 2:25 pm #702
(11 Jan 2019, 9:44 am)RBZ 5459 That's how the majority of councils and PTE's across the country give out tendered contracts - lowest bid wins. It's only until recently (the past two years is it?) that Nexus now take other factors into consideration in deciding the bid-winning operators - which is why the likes of Go North East have picked up vast amounts of school and passenger service contracts in recent years.

Usually there's a percentage weighting, cost vs quality, with cost normally always being the higher percentage.

This kind of tender evaluation isn't new at Nexus (I'd say it's been done like this for 5+ years at least), but is more uncommon for Durham County Council and Northumberland.

Each contract is different. The Nexus contracts being renewed in March 2019 have a 90% cost vs 10% quality weighting. For a fully conforming bid, the elements of quality include providing a Euro 6, Hybrid, electric or gas-powered bus (5%) or a low-carbon emission bus (full 10%).

Miscellaneous Works contracts, including the scholars services you mention, never include quality as a weighting. These tenders are awarded based wholly on the lowest annualised price. Ultimately if the patronage is quite low on 'normal' services, it'd be pointless for the local authority to include quality as a weighting, as they'd potentially be paying out more for a service which hardly anyone uses in the first place.
Dan
11 Jan 2019, 2:25 pm #702

(11 Jan 2019, 9:44 am)RBZ 5459 That's how the majority of councils and PTE's across the country give out tendered contracts - lowest bid wins. It's only until recently (the past two years is it?) that Nexus now take other factors into consideration in deciding the bid-winning operators - which is why the likes of Go North East have picked up vast amounts of school and passenger service contracts in recent years.

Usually there's a percentage weighting, cost vs quality, with cost normally always being the higher percentage.

This kind of tender evaluation isn't new at Nexus (I'd say it's been done like this for 5+ years at least), but is more uncommon for Durham County Council and Northumberland.

Each contract is different. The Nexus contracts being renewed in March 2019 have a 90% cost vs 10% quality weighting. For a fully conforming bid, the elements of quality include providing a Euro 6, Hybrid, electric or gas-powered bus (5%) or a low-carbon emission bus (full 10%).

Miscellaneous Works contracts, including the scholars services you mention, never include quality as a weighting. These tenders are awarded based wholly on the lowest annualised price. Ultimately if the patronage is quite low on 'normal' services, it'd be pointless for the local authority to include quality as a weighting, as they'd potentially be paying out more for a service which hardly anyone uses in the first place.

31 Jan 2019, 11:10 am #703
According to NCC, there's no service on 470/473 due to a fire at the Wooler yard, with replacement vehicles being sourced on loan.
omnicity4659
31 Jan 2019, 11:10 am #703

According to NCC, there's no service on 470/473 due to a fire at the Wooler yard, with replacement vehicles being sourced on loan.

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31 Jan 2019, 5:35 pm #705
(31 Jan 2019, 3:06 pm)S830OFT That's really strange because the owners previous company 'Kimberley Coaches' had a arson attack in the depot which contributed to the demise of that company. I'm not trying to suggest it has any relation to what has happened here but very strange...


I agree with you.
Seems odd, verry odd
GNE6312
31 Jan 2019, 5:35 pm #705

(31 Jan 2019, 3:06 pm)S830OFT That's really strange because the owners previous company 'Kimberley Coaches' had a arson attack in the depot which contributed to the demise of that company. I'm not trying to suggest it has any relation to what has happened here but very strange...


I agree with you.
Seems odd, verry odd

S830OFT



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01 Feb 2019, 7:56 am #706
According to this PCL offer a Family Ticket priced at £10.
https://www.northumberland.gov.uk/Northu...-Sized.pdf


S830OFT
01 Feb 2019, 7:56 am #706

According to this PCL offer a Family Ticket priced at £10.
https://www.northumberland.gov.uk/Northu...-Sized.pdf



02 Feb 2019, 9:19 am #707
That's really strange! I saw the MPD on the 473 yesterday afternoon.

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Cobalt271
02 Feb 2019, 9:19 am #707

That's really strange! I saw the MPD on the 473 yesterday afternoon.


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S830OFT



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02 Feb 2019, 9:42 am #708
(02 Feb 2019, 9:19 am)Cobalt271 That's really strange! I saw the MPD on the 473 yesterday afternoon.

Has it been confirmed which vehicles caught fire? I would imagine it would have been the V1210s.


S830OFT
02 Feb 2019, 9:42 am #708

(02 Feb 2019, 9:19 am)Cobalt271 That's really strange! I saw the MPD on the 473 yesterday afternoon.

Has it been confirmed which vehicles caught fire? I would imagine it would have been the V1210s.



02 Feb 2019, 11:11 am #709
(02 Feb 2019, 9:42 am)S830OFT Has it been confirmed which vehicles caught fire? I would imagine it would have been the V1210s.

Think they only have the 1 now, 1 was up for sale a little while ago and I never see both of them in Alnwick or Wooler.

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Cobalt271
02 Feb 2019, 11:11 am #709

(02 Feb 2019, 9:42 am)S830OFT Has it been confirmed which vehicles caught fire? I would imagine it would have been the V1210s.

Think they only have the 1 now, 1 was up for sale a little while ago and I never see both of them in Alnwick or Wooler.


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GuyParkRoyal



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11 Feb 2019, 4:23 pm #710
I hope PCL Travel are going to part refund the students that purchased the full school year travel pass for the 470/473 or make arrangements with Glen Valley to allow the pass to be used.

PB1069957/22 Cancelled (Short notice)
PETER IAN COWELL
Route: Wooler to Alnwick
Service number: 473 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 23 Feb 2019
PB1069957/20 Cancelled (Short notice)
PETER IAN COWELL
Route: Wooler Bus Station to Sainsburys, Alnwick
Service number: 470 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 23 Feb 2019
GuyParkRoyal
11 Feb 2019, 4:23 pm #710

I hope PCL Travel are going to part refund the students that purchased the full school year travel pass for the 470/473 or make arrangements with Glen Valley to allow the pass to be used.

PB1069957/22 Cancelled (Short notice)
PETER IAN COWELL
Route: Wooler to Alnwick
Service number: 473 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 23 Feb 2019
PB1069957/20 Cancelled (Short notice)
PETER IAN COWELL
Route: Wooler Bus Station to Sainsburys, Alnwick
Service number: 470 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 23 Feb 2019

S830OFT



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16 Feb 2019, 10:43 am #711
The 10:00 S1 did NOT operate today because the driver thought it was acceptable to just sit in Morpeth because nobody wanted his bus. Then he tells me the M1 hasn't run for over 4 months and the council are at fault for keeping it on the board. 

I don't think the M1 has been officially cancelled, I believe the owner woke up one morning and thought what's the point in running this route.


S830OFT
16 Feb 2019, 10:43 am #711

The 10:00 S1 did NOT operate today because the driver thought it was acceptable to just sit in Morpeth because nobody wanted his bus. Then he tells me the M1 hasn't run for over 4 months and the council are at fault for keeping it on the board. 

I don't think the M1 has been officially cancelled, I believe the owner woke up one morning and thought what's the point in running this route.



S830OFT



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16 Feb 2019, 11:58 am #712
Minibus - 470 (Standing Room Only)


S830OFT
16 Feb 2019, 11:58 am #712

Minibus - 470 (Standing Room Only)



Charles41



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16 Feb 2019, 3:55 pm #713
Meanwhile Volkswagen LT SN56EMK is now back from Compass and was on the Saturday only Hexham to Colwell service today.

Charles
Charles41
16 Feb 2019, 3:55 pm #713

Meanwhile Volkswagen LT SN56EMK is now back from Compass and was on the Saturday only Hexham to Colwell service today.

Charles

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16 Feb 2019, 4:40 pm #714
(16 Feb 2019, 10:43 am)S830OFT The 10:00 S1 did NOT operate today because the driver thought it was acceptable to just sit in Morpeth because nobody wanted his bus. Then he tells me the M1 hasn't run for over 4 months and the council are at fault for keeping it on the board. 

I don't think the M1 has been officially cancelled, I believe the owner woke up one morning and thought what's the point in running this route.

Beyond a joke that like. Feel for anyone who waited for any of these services. Hopefully these services are given to another operator soon (Got Arriva in mind)
GNE6312
16 Feb 2019, 4:40 pm #714

(16 Feb 2019, 10:43 am)S830OFT The 10:00 S1 did NOT operate today because the driver thought it was acceptable to just sit in Morpeth because nobody wanted his bus. Then he tells me the M1 hasn't run for over 4 months and the council are at fault for keeping it on the board. 

I don't think the M1 has been officially cancelled, I believe the owner woke up one morning and thought what's the point in running this route.

Beyond a joke that like. Feel for anyone who waited for any of these services. Hopefully these services are given to another operator soon (Got Arriva in mind)

S830OFT



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16 Feb 2019, 5:57 pm #715
(16 Feb 2019, 4:40 pm)GNE6312 Beyond a joke that like. Feel for anyone who waited for any of these services. Hopefully these services are given to another operator soon (Got Arriva in mind)

Had a incident on the 470 with driver ending up swearing at me because he didn't want to drive to Sainsbury's. PCL are honestly the most awful company ever.


S830OFT
16 Feb 2019, 5:57 pm #715

(16 Feb 2019, 4:40 pm)GNE6312 Beyond a joke that like. Feel for anyone who waited for any of these services. Hopefully these services are given to another operator soon (Got Arriva in mind)

Had a incident on the 470 with driver ending up swearing at me because he didn't want to drive to Sainsbury's. PCL are honestly the most awful company ever.



16 Feb 2019, 6:28 pm #716
(16 Feb 2019, 5:57 pm)S830OFT Had a incident on the 470 with driver ending up swearing at me because he didn't want to drive to Sainsbury's. PCL are honestly the most awful company ever.

I think they've adopted a 'don't care' attitude since the result of the public inquiry and the subsequent loss of contracts. Of course the depot fire at Wooler with the severe damage of one of the Versas won't have helped.

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Cobalt271
16 Feb 2019, 6:28 pm #716

(16 Feb 2019, 5:57 pm)S830OFT Had a incident on the 470 with driver ending up swearing at me because he didn't want to drive to Sainsbury's. PCL are honestly the most awful company ever.

I think they've adopted a 'don't care' attitude since the result of the public inquiry and the subsequent loss of contracts. Of course the depot fire at Wooler with the severe damage of one of the Versas won't have helped.


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S830OFT



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16 Feb 2019, 8:43 pm #717
(16 Feb 2019, 6:28 pm)Cobalt271 I think they've adopted a 'don't care' attitude since the result of the public inquiry and the subsequent loss of contracts. Of course the depot fire at Wooler with the severe damage of one of the Versas won't have helped.

The driver was adamant he didn't go to Sainsbury's and when I refused to get off and referred to the timetable he said "I don't give a monkeys" and shut the engine off. Also the S1A this evening didn't run.


S830OFT
16 Feb 2019, 8:43 pm #717

(16 Feb 2019, 6:28 pm)Cobalt271 I think they've adopted a 'don't care' attitude since the result of the public inquiry and the subsequent loss of contracts. Of course the depot fire at Wooler with the severe damage of one of the Versas won't have helped.

The driver was adamant he didn't go to Sainsbury's and when I refused to get off and referred to the timetable he said "I don't give a monkeys" and shut the engine off. Also the S1A this evening didn't run.



S830OFT



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16 Feb 2019, 10:30 pm #718
BU06 HRX - Vehicle I was on had NO TAX OR MOT and was on 470 today. 
https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/ViewVehicle


S830OFT
16 Feb 2019, 10:30 pm #718

BU06 HRX - Vehicle I was on had NO TAX OR MOT and was on 470 today. 
https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/ViewVehicle



Tom



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17 Feb 2019, 12:46 am #719
(16 Feb 2019, 8:43 pm)S830OFT The driver was adamant he didn't go to Sainsbury's and when I refused to get off and referred to the timetable he said "I don't give a monkeys" and shut the engine off. Also the S1A this evening didn't run.

Have you contacted NCC because it shouldn’t just be the 470/473 contracts they are losing based on your reports.
Tom
17 Feb 2019, 12:46 am #719

(16 Feb 2019, 8:43 pm)S830OFT The driver was adamant he didn't go to Sainsbury's and when I refused to get off and referred to the timetable he said "I don't give a monkeys" and shut the engine off. Also the S1A this evening didn't run.

Have you contacted NCC because it shouldn’t just be the 470/473 contracts they are losing based on your reports.

17 Feb 2019, 2:05 am #720
(16 Feb 2019, 10:30 pm)S830OFT BU06 HRX - Vehicle I was on had NO TAX OR MOT and was on 470 today. 
https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/ViewVehicle

Just been looking on the DVLA website and another one of their vehicles, GN06 UEK has had no MOT since 31st May 2016.

KX58 LJA has a SORN in place, not sure if it’s recent though as I took a photo of it on the 885 on 15th January.


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TEN 6083
17 Feb 2019, 2:05 am #720

(16 Feb 2019, 10:30 pm)S830OFT BU06 HRX - Vehicle I was on had NO TAX OR MOT and was on 470 today. 
https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/ViewVehicle

Just been looking on the DVLA website and another one of their vehicles, GN06 UEK has had no MOT since 31st May 2016.

KX58 LJA has a SORN in place, not sure if it’s recent though as I took a photo of it on the 885 on 15th January.


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