(12 Sep 2022, 12:04 pm)Chris 1 wrote [ -> ]Thanks. I thought I recalled reading something years ago about the type approval regulations changing, and there no longer needing to be a separate emergency door on a duel door bus.
It's interesting that.
Looking at it, I'd assume the emergency door being on the opposite side to the entrance/exit was incase of a collision to the side of the vehicle, if it was balanced on a cliff edge or if it toppled over on to its side for example.
Basically ensuring that there was always an escape route.
That's not going to always be the case on a dual-door vehicle and may need the use of the tungsten hammer to escape.
(11 Sep 2022, 11:17 pm)Rapidsnap wrote [ -> ]Thought I do an update since I now have the details for all the ADL Enviro 400s.
6183 - MX07BRF - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6184 - MX07BRV - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6185 - MX07BRZ - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6186 - MX07BSO - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6187 - MX07BSU - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6188 - MX07BSV - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6189 - MX07BUE - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6190 - MX07BUU - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6191 - MX07BUV - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6192 - MX57FDZ - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex Go North West
6193 - YX08FWE - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex East Yorkshire
6194 - YX08FWF - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex East Yorkshire
6195 - YX08FWG - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex East Yorkshire
6196 - YX08FWH - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 - Ex East Yorkshire
6197 -
6198 -
6199 - LK59FDO - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6200 -
6201 -
6202 -
6203 -
6204 - LK59CYP - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6205 -
6206 -
6207 -
6208 -
6209 -
6210 -
6211 -
6212 -
6213 -
6214 -
6215 -
6216 -
6217 -
6218 -
6219 -
6220 -
6221 -
6222 -
6223 -
6224 -
6225 - LX59DDJ - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6226 - LX60DXM - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6227 - LX60DXO - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6228 - LX60DXP - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6229 - LX60DXR - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6230 - LX60DXS - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6231 - LX60DXT - Volvo B9TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6944 - LX57CHZ - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6945 - LX57CJE - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6946 - LX57CKF - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6947 - LX57CKG - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6948 - LX57CLY - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6949 - LX08EBU - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6950 - LX08EBV - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6951 - LX08EBZ - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6952 - LX08ECA - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6953 - LX08ECC - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6954 - LX09FAJ - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6955 - LX09FAK - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6956 - LX09FAM - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6957 - LX09FAO - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6958 - LX09FAU - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6959 - SN60BZB - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6960 - SN60BZC - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6961 - SN60BZD - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6962 - SN60BZE - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6963 - SN60BZF - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6964 - SN60BZG - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6965 - SN60BZH - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6966 - SN60BZJ - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
6967 - LX06FKN - ADL Enviro 400 - Ex Go-Ahead London
On loan from EYMS.
9039 - YX05EOO - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9040 - YX55DHJ - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9041 - YX06CXJ - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9042 - YX06CXK - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9043 - YX06CXL - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9044 - YX06CXM - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9045 - YX06CXN - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
9046 - YX06CXO - Volvo B7TL - Wright Eclipse Gemini 1
Please let me know of any updates or errors. Ta
LK59CYP is LX59CYP (WVL276)
Have a feeling the B9's are going to be coming from WVL 278, 280, 297, 307 - 312, 314 - 331. WVL276 (LX59CYP) and WVL332 (LX59DDJ) are already here and the current buses so far have been numbered and they fill the gaps in alphabetical order, they've all been withdrawn from London duties.
Regarding the possible removal of the centre doors, a point that needs to be remembered is that on the E400's, the wheelchair ramp is on the centre door, like it was on the 02 reg Volvo B7TL/East Lancs that were used on the Pink Angel a few years ago. This would prevent the removal of the doors. The design of the Wright Gemini 2 may be different, allowing the removal of the door.
(12 Sep 2022, 12:55 pm)a718abb wrote [ -> ]Regarding the possible removal of the centre doors, a point that needs to be remembered is that on the E400's, the wheelchair ramp is on the centre door, like it was on the 02 reg Volvo B7TL/East Lancs that were used on the Pink Angel a few years ago. This would prevent the removal of the doors. The design of the Wright Gemini 2 may be different, allowing the removal of the door.
I think the ramp is on the middle door on all London bus types these days. Could be wrong mind.
(12 Sep 2022, 12:47 pm)Chris 1 wrote [ -> ]Yeah, was after a certain date. 2011 maybe? I can't remember the exact changes, but I'm sure there was something like side marker lights and bumpers included as well.
Is this not where the designation of E40D (or indeed E20D) came in?
The bumper thing would've likely been number plates weren't allowed to be behind glass anymore / has to be lit up and the side marker lights. Believe it was the same time legally the fire exit door had to be on the same level as the entrance on single deckers, the reason it's in the middle now vs being at the back.
It would've been 2010/11 as Arriva's early Pulsars and Geminis don't have side markers and the Pulsars number plates were moved from behind glass to at the bottom. See below the minor changes:
Before:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...0514194915
After:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisbell50000/8162047777
There is a simple reason the E400 haven't been converted.... Yet?
They are beneficial for quicker loading and unloading which is handy for work like this and especially with the tight turnaround time at South Shields.
The other reason is that they wouldn't have had time to do the conversion before the contract started. They could well be done at a later date.
(12 Sep 2022, 1:11 pm)Chris 1 wrote [ -> ]I think the ramp is on the middle door on all London bus types these days. Could be wrong mind.
I agree. You have to take into consideration the position of the raised kerb at bus stops are not in a position for centre door ramps.
(12 Sep 2022, 3:08 pm)Retro Nero wrote [ -> ]I agree. You have to take into consideration the position of the raised kerb at bus stops are not in a position for centre door ramps.
Raised kerbs aren’t required for ramp operation surely. They manage in London.
(12 Sep 2022, 3:17 pm)ne14ne1 wrote [ -> ]Raised kerbs aren’t required for ramp operation surely. They manage in London.
Bus stations are the issue in the North East in particular Haymarket and Eldon Square as the middle door is behind the no go barrier so they couldn't get on at all.
Most bus stations in the North East would have issues with Dual Door buses.
Only ones that can completely used easily by Dual Door Buses are Gateshead, MetroCentre, Washington Galleries, Hexham, Killingworth, Blyth, Ferryhill, Four Lane Ends and Regent Centre.
All the others are either Drive On Reverse Off or have badly positioned street furniture / shelters blocking the second doors.
(12 Sep 2022, 4:03 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Bus stations are the issue in the North East in particular Haymarket and Eldon Square as the middle door is behind the no go barrier so they couldn't get on at all.
At South Shields and stands A-G at Park Lane, the centre door would just empty onto the road (assuming another bus isn't blocking it).
(12 Sep 2022, 4:17 pm)Rapidsnap wrote [ -> ]Most bus stations in the North East would have issues with Dual Door buses.
Only ones that can completely used easily by Dual Door Buses are Gateshead, MetroCentre, Washington Galleries, Hexham, Killingworth, Blyth, Ferryhill, Four Lane Ends and Regent Centre.
All the others are either Drive On Reverse Off or have badly positioned street furniture / shelters blocking the second doors.
Bishop could probably use dual door buses with no 'problem', it's not as if drivers ever actually line the door up with the opening anyway so you either have to squeeze through the gap, or walk around!
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(12 Sep 2022, 4:43 pm)F114TML wrote [ -> ]At South Shields and stands A-G at Park Lane, the centre door would just empty onto the road (assuming another bus isn't blocking it).
And where the 56 parks.
Seems GNE have either bought / loaned some ex L&G Coaches President’s
L&G are running a few scholar services on behalf of GNE. It's the same arrangement when A-Line / Stanley have provided a driver and bus to cover GNE journeys
(12 Sep 2022, 5:57 pm)Rapidsnap wrote [ -> ]L&G are running a few scholar services on behalf of GNE. It's the same arrangement when A-Line / Stanley have provided a driver and bus to cover GNE journeys
They're running 9 of them.
Not sure a final list was ever confirmed, so:
East Yorkshire- 786 - 6193 / YX08 FWE
- 787 - 6194 / YX08 FWF
- 788 - 6195 / YX08 FWG
- 789 - 6196 / YX08 FWH
East Yorkshire (loan buses, pending delivery of buses from Go-Ahead London)- 696 - 9039 / YX05 EOO
- 702 - 9040 / YX55 DHJ
- 708 - 9041 / YX06 CXJ
- 709 - 9042 / YX06 CXK
- 710 - 9043 / YX06 CXL
- 711 - 9044 / YX06 CXM
- 712 - 9045 / YX06 CXN
- 713 - 9046 / YX06 CXO
Go North West- 3203 - 6183 / MX07 BRF
- 3204 - 6184 / MX07 BRV
- 3205 - 6185 / MX07 BRZ
- 3206 - 6186 / MX07 BSO
- 3207 - 6187 / MX07 BSU
- 3208 - 6188 / MX07 BSV
- 3213 - 6189 / MX07 BUE
- 3215 - 6190 / MX07 BUU
- 3216 - 6191 / MX07 BUV
- 3214 - 6192 / MX57 HDZ
- 3201 - N/A - scrap / MX07 BPY
- 3202 - N/A - scrap / MX07 BPZ
Go-Ahead London Volvo B9TL- WVN25 - 6197 / BG59 FXB
- WVN19 - 6198 / LK59 FDM
- WVN21 - 6199 / LK59 FDO
- WVL303 - 6200 / LX59 CYA
- WVL304 - 6201 / LX59 CYC
- WVL305 - 6202 / LX59 CYE
- WVL306 - 6203 / LX59 CYF
- WVL276 - 6204 / LX59 CYP
- WVL277 - 6205 / LX59 CYS
- WVL278 - 6206 / LX59 CYT
- WVL279 - 6207 / LX59 CYU
- WVL280 - 6208 / LX59 CYV
- WVL281 - 6209 / LX59 CYW
- WVL282 - 6210 / LX59 CYY
- WVL283 - 6211 / LX59 CYZ
- WVL284 - 6212 / LX59 CZA
- WVL285 - 6213 / LX59 CZB
- WVL286 - 6214 / LX59 CZC
- WVL287 - 6215 / LX59 CZD
- WVL288 - 6216 / LX59 CZF
- WVL289 - 6217 / LX59 CZG
- WVL290 - 6218 / LX59 CZH
- WVL291 - 6219 / LX59 CZJ
- WVL297 - 6220 / LX59 CZP
- WVL298 - 6221 / LX59 CZR
- WVL300 - 6222 / LX59 CZT
- WVL301 - 6223 / LX59 CZU
- WVL302 - 6224 / LX59 CZV
- WVL332 - 6225 / LX59 DDJ
- WVL380 - 6226 / LX60 DXM
- WVL381 - 6227 / LX60 DXO
- WVL382 - 6228 / LX60 DXP
- WVL383 - 6229 / LX60 DXR
- WVL384 - 6230 / LX60 DXS
- WVL385 - 6231 / LX60 DXT
Go-Ahead London ADL Enviro400- E64 - 6944 / LX57 CHZ
- E65 - 6945 / LX57 CJE
- E77 - 6946 / LX57 CKF
- E78 - 6947 / LX57 CKG
- E93 - 6948 / LX57 CLY
- E95 - 6949 / LX08 EBU
- E96 - 6950 / LX08 EBV
- E97 - 6951 / LX08 EBZ
- E98 - 6952 / LX08 ECA
- E99 - 6953 / LX08 ECC
- E105 - 6954 / LX09 FAJ
- E106 - 6955 / LX09 FAK
- E107 - 6956 / LX09 FAM
- E108 - 6957 / LX09 FAO
- E109 - 6958 / LX09 FAU
- E130 - 6959 / SN60 BZB
- E131 - 6960 / SN60 BZC
- E132 - 6961 / SN60 BZD
- E133 - 6962 / SN60 BZE
- E134 - 6963 / SN60 BZF
- E135 - 6964 / SN60 BZG
- E136 - 6965 / SN60 BZH
- E137 - 6966 / SN60 BZJ
- E38 - 6967 / LX06 FKN
Latest arrival is ex-East Yorkshire 786, now numbered 6193 (YX08 FWE) at Go North East. Repainted prior to collection from East Yorkshire.
![[Image: 52368193882_666807fc2e.jpg]](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52368193882_666807fc2e.jpg)
Go North East: 6193 / YX08FWE by
Daniel Graham, on Flickr
This has probably already been answered, but are the E400's staying after the metro replacement contract has ended?
Would they go to the expense of refurbing and painting them just for a few months' work?
*looks at X22*
(19 Sep 2022, 3:48 pm)F114TML wrote [ -> ]Would they go to the expense of refurbing and painting them just for a few months' work?
*looks at X22*
Oh dear - this one has backfired on you!
The E400s are planned to stay and will replace 6901-19.
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