I notice that Nexus have issued a tender notice for services in North Tyneside and Newcastle, with a start date of March 2023, and a duration of 1 year.
I'm not sure of the route details, but I'm assuming they'll be the same as now. Nexus usually put out consultations if things are changing and I haven't noticed any.
(03 Jan 2023, 10:25 am)Thomas12 wrote [ -> ]I notice that Nexus have issued a tender notice for services in North Tyneside and Newcastle, with a start date of March 2023, and a duration of 1 year.
I'm not sure of the route details, but I'm assuming they'll be the same as now. Nexus usually put out consultations if things are changing and I haven't noticed any.
So if there are no route changes it will be the following:
18
32/32A
41/41A
84/84A
317
335
342
M6
Is that correct? Any others?
(03 Jan 2023, 12:09 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote [ -> ]So if there are no route changes it will be the following:
18
32/32A
41/41A
84/84A
317
335
342
M6
Is that correct? Any others?
1 (Evenings)
19
35
W1/W1A
W2
X46
(03 Jan 2023, 12:09 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote [ -> ]So if there are no route changes it will be the following:
18
32/32A
41/41A
84/84A
317
335
342
M6
Is that correct? Any others?
The 41/41A is commercial Monday-Saturday daytime from Hadrian Park to Wallsend - the Hadrian Park to Howdon bit is secured, but I can't see that staying as no one uses it.
(03 Jan 2023, 12:14 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]1 (Evenings)
19
35
W1/W1A
W2
X46
Oh yeah, I forgot about the evening 1s and the 35. Didn't realise the 19 was tendered and the X46 has only recently been awarded so didn't expect that would be up for tender for March.
W1/W1A and W2 I forgot about, but not as much as the evening 1s and the 35.
(03 Jan 2023, 12:25 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote [ -> ]Oh yeah, I forgot about the evening 1s and the 35. Didn't realise the 19 was tendered and the X46 has only recently been awarded so didn't expect that would be up for tender for March.
W1/W1A and W2 I forgot about, but not as much as the evening 1s and the 35.
Yeah was just short tender, believe the 54 (Evenings / Sunday) might have been the same aswell actually.
I am wondering if we will see GCT bidding for less considering they have a decent amount of work in Durham - and they have already handed back the 516 contract. On the downside, this may mean Nexus struggle to cover all services.
(03 Jan 2023, 12:27 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Yeah was just short tender, believe the 54 (Evenings / Sunday) might have been the same aswell actually.
Ah, okay. Thanks.
I don't expect the 54 or X46 will change operators, but that's just a gut feeling, and on the basis I can't think who else could operate them.
(03 Jan 2023, 12:28 pm)Thomas12 wrote [ -> ]I am wondering if we will see GCT bidding for less considering they have a decent amount of work in Durham - and they have already handed back the 516 contract. On the downside, this may mean Nexus struggle to cover all services.
Yes, I agree that is a downside, even though GCT often run a terrible service which might as well but exist anyway half the time.
In terms of North Tyneside, I expect GCT will keep the 335 but Phoenix could run the K2 and W1/W1A. Apparently the 342 is going to Stagecoach (not sure which depot, but apparently driver changeovers would happen at either Wallsend Metro or Westerhope depending which depot).
84/84A hasn't been with Stagecoach before, and if GCT don't have it either Stagecoach or Phoenix would probably have it. Can't see GNE or Arriva running it given the driver shortage and it being outside their operating area really (Arriva giving up the 54, 685 and X46 suggests they won't take on any more work). Not to go off-topic but I could see Arriva giving Stagecoach the 47 contract as well as it's now entirely Stagecoach territory.
(03 Jan 2023, 12:25 pm)Thomas12 wrote [ -> ]The 41/41A is commercial Monday-Saturday daytime from Hadrian Park to Wallsend - the Hadrian Park to Howdon bit is secured, but I can't see that staying as no one uses it.
There is no way the 41/41A is commercial. What about the 41A between Wallsend & Hadrian Park. Surely the Whitsher Drive isn't since that's the cut 42/42A
(03 Jan 2023, 1:43 pm)Aaron21 wrote [ -> ]There is no way the 41/41A is commercial. What about the 41A between Wallsend & Hadrian Park. Surely the Whitsher Drive isn't since that's the cut 42/42A
Yes it is
(03 Jan 2023, 2:00 pm)Thomas12 wrote [ -> ]Yes it is
Oh didn't realise
What date in March do these start? 27th?
(03 Jan 2023, 2:45 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote [ -> ]What date in March do these start? 27th?
It'll probably be the last Sunday of March more than likely
(03 Jan 2023, 5:52 pm)Thomas12 wrote [ -> ]Looks like the 41/41A (Howdon-Hadrian Park), 51 (Whitley Bay-Holystone), 84/84A, 552, M6, K2 are all being cancelled from March.
https://www.nexus.org.uk/consultation
That 51 is completely stupid. Holystone to Whitley Bay cut. What would be the point in the 51 staying at all
(03 Jan 2023, 6:41 pm)Aaron21 wrote [ -> ]That 51 is completely stupid. Holystone to Whitley Bay cut. What would be the point in the 51 staying at all
Given that the 51 was recently amalgamated into the 52/53/54 interworking pattern, it would be interesting to see if Arriva
a. Withdraw the 51 beyond Holystone due to the loss of funding
b. Maintain the 51 beyond Holystone commercially
c. Extend it to Whitley Bay via the 54 route to keep the half hourly service to Whitley Bay
I think option A is most likely to happen because I don't think they would want to risk running commercial beyond Holystone as if it is already funded by Nexus, it probably means that it isn't Viable.
I don't think with the "Driver shortage" they claim is going on, they would want to risk keeping it to Whitley Bay or making it every 30 minutes along the 54 route. This just shows the sorry state of affairs with buses in North Tyneside as yet another victim of Budget cuts and I think more cuts will happen shortly
To be honest, if Nexus/GNE/Arriva got services streamlined & cleaned up, the 51 (at least Wiltshire Drive) and 41/41A extension could at least be hoovered up by "big buses" leading into stable and profitable common corridors. But that's another debate.
As for the 51, I can see something like:
- 310 via Wiltshire Drive (309 also changed to serve High Farm) - part of rumoured Coast Road clean up with all 30x's runing every 20 mins each.
- 22 split 1x every 20 mins to Hadrian Park / 1x every 20 mins to Cobalt. This would replace the 311 and aleviate the need for the 310 to serve Hadrian Park.
- 1x 55 per hour extended to Whitley Bay via 51 route after Palmersville & Holystone.
I'm hoping the 84/84A, 552 and M6 are kept on a reduced timetable.