(30 Jun 2015, 10:23 pm)MrFozz wrote To be fair Bazza...You do have a knack for putting your foot in it at times

Yeah I often bite my tounge when am at bus stations now if nexus staff are there I try and avoid them the best I can before I start I often inspect the bus station before I do photography depends who's on I avoid and let others know who's on

(30 Jun 2015, 10:22 pm)Diamond One wrote No racism in mind what I meant to say was if he started on me I would have said go back to where you came from referring to company not country

You just have too be careful what your saying. I know things just slip out at times but those little things can sometimes land you in big big trouble.

(30 Jun 2015, 10:27 pm)LeeCalder wrote You just have too be careful what your saying. I know things just slip out at times but those little things can sometimes land you in big big trouble.

That's true any how moving on from the topic

(30 Jun 2015, 10:28 pm)Diamond One wrote That's true any how moving on from the topic

Hoping for a swift change of conversation there?

(30 Jun 2015, 10:33 pm)LeeCalder wrote Hoping for a swift change of conversation there?  

Yeah back to basics it's like when am at Newcastle I seem to have no problem with taking photos the intu staff let me take photos hands down even nexus don't mind but it's when you go to Park Lane or Gateshead them advisors are on to you like a hawk

(30 Jun 2015, 10:35 pm)Diamond One wrote Yeah back to basics it's like when am at Newcastle I seem to have no problem with taking photos the intu staff let me take photos hands down even nexus don't mind but it's when you go to Park Lane or Gateshead them advisors are on to you like a hawk

But, like I have said before to a few people if someone walked onto your premises and started taking photos, you probably wouldn't let them. So why should Nexus?

(30 Jun 2015, 10:49 pm)LeeCalder wrote But, like I have said before to a few people if someone walked onto your premises and started taking photos, you probably wouldn't let them. So why should Nexus?

Point taken

(30 Jun 2015, 5:11 pm)aureolin wrote Aye, they're not interested. I've been told at Gateshead for having my camera out (but not using it), and when I've asked what they're doing about the smokers, apparently that's none of my business...

It may be worth someone making an appointment with Galleries management to see if they'll come to some level of common sense. Perhaps it's just a misunderstanding on their part? Having said that like, we tried similar with Nexus, and they had said they were going to review the policy in the near future - something we probably need to follow up on actually.

Just been into the Management Suite at The Galleries and queried why we are not allowed to take photos on Private Property, In which the woman on Reception went and got the Manager of the Shopping Centre, who in a polite, professional and accommodating manner explained to why, Basically it is for "Commercial Reasons", such as taking Photos of the Exterior of Buildings located within The Galleries, or in our case of Buses for Personal Usage and Uploading them to Social Media Sites such as Facebook and Photo Sharing Sites like Flickr.

Basically all we have to do in this case is write to The Galleries Management, stating our Personal Details and Reason for wanting to take Photos, then they will decide whether to allow you to take Photos based on the above, if they give you permission you must arrange a Date with them in Advance and they will supply you with a High Vis Jacket and a Vistors Badge, if you opt to ignore that and just simply turn up and start taking Photos anywhere in The Galleries property, whether that be the Bus Station, Sainsburys Car Park or on any of the access roads/grass verges leading into and around The Galleries then you will be approached by Security and asked why you are taking Photos and what of.

As I said Yesterday I wouldnt even bother going to The Galleries or any other Transport Interchange and doing as you Please regardless of the Rules in place by the owners of the Property, there are plenty of nice spots in the Washington Area in which you can go to at free will and take photos, such as Fatfield Bridge/Riverside, Washington Village and Donwell to name a few, as is the case with other Areas across the Region and further afield if you like going to places elsewhere in the UK on Day Trips etc.

I certainly hope you all take note of this post, as in the long run if we play by the rules and respect them rather than ignoring them, then we will build a greater understanding and relationship with the respective owners of the Properties in which we often taken photos on without their Permission, which in the future may lead to less chance of confrontation, particularly with Nexus, perhaps then they will be more accommodating and welcoming towards us.

(01 Jul 2015, 1:58 pm)Malarkey wrote Just been into the Management Suite at The Galleries and queried why we are not allowed to take photos on Private Property, In which the woman on Reception went and got the Manager of the Shopping Centre, who in a polite, professional and accommodating manner explained to why, Basically it is for "Commercial Reasons", such as taking Photos of the Exterior of Buildings located within The Galleries, or in our case of Buses for Personal Usage and Uploading them to Social Media Sites such as Facebook and Photo Sharing Sites like Flickr.

Basically all we have to do in this case is write to The Galleries Management, stating our Personal Details and Reason for wanting to take Photos, then they will decide whether to allow you to take Photos based on the above, if they give you permission you must arrange a Date with them in Advance and they will supply you with a High Vis Jacket and a Vistors Badge, if you opt to ignore that and just simply turn up and start taking Photos anywhere in The Galleries property, whether that be the Bus Station, Sainsburys Car Park or on any of the access roads/grass verges leading into and around The Galleries then you will be approached by Security and asked why you are taking Photos and what of.

As I said Yesterday I wouldnt even bother going to The Galleries or any other Transport Interchange and doing as you Please regardless of the Rules in place by the owners of the Property, there are plenty of nice spots in the Washington Area in which you can go to at free will and take photos, such as Fatfield Bridge/Riverside, Washington Village and Donwell to name a few, as is the case with other Areas across the Region and further afield if you like going to places elsewhere in the UK on Day Trips etc.

I certainly hope you all take note of this post, as in the long run if we play by the rules and respect them rather than ignoring them, then we will build a greater understanding and relationship with the respective owners of the Properties in which we often taken photos on without their Permission, which in the future may lead to less chance of confrontation, particularly with Nexus, perhaps then they will be more accommodating and welcoming towards us.

Quite a pleasant and polite answer, 1 thing I am not sure of is, what does commercial reasons mean?

At least some can be civilised with us and this is very much the case on this occasion, now it has been cleared up and we know there procedure now I would certainly comply with that, they were good enough to be a civil to you about it...

I completely agree that we should take note of there policies, sometimes it seems we are all being tarred with the same brush by Nexus quite a bit...

We should be actively looking to have a good relationship with Nexus', Bus Station Owners and the Bus Companies and being antagonistic towards them serves no purpose at all...

And comments like what Bazza made yesterday when he said something like 'They would not dare take my camera without a fight' doesn't help either, while I don't think a camera would be confiscated, it is still a very antagonistic thing to say...

I am wondering if that same rule applies for other shopping centre bus stations i.e. Metrocentre and Eldon Square, are there Bus Stations...

Well done Adam for taking the time to ask them

(01 Jul 2015, 3:59 pm)MrFozz wrote Quite a pleasant and polite answer, 1 thing I am not sure of is, what does commercial reasons mean?

Using someone elses likeness for your own financial gain, not sure how Photography come into this other than selling Photos online etc.

(01 Jul 2015, 4:16 pm)Malarkey wrote Using someone elses likeness for your own financial gain, not sure how Photography come into this other than selling Photos online etc.

So would taken a picture of a bus with Sainsburys door in the background fall into this category...I mean it is not like you would be profiting on the back of Sainsburys front door

(01 Jul 2015, 8:48 pm)MrFozz wrote So would taken a picture of a bus with Sainsburys door in the background fall into this category...I mean it is not like you would be profiting on the back of Sainsburys front door

Honestly have no idea Fozz, whatever this rule is these Private Land Owners have came up is stupid and makes zero sense to me.

I'd guess the commercial side of it would include anything where it comes to the point of taking photos on their property which you later sell onto a magazine (for example). In which case you're profiting from the use of their land (effectively) without paying for it. Of course they're tarring all photography with the same brush but when you look at it like I just have, you could probably see why

Makes for interesting Reading, Cant find much else in relation to what we are talking about and issues we are having.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography_and_the_law

(01 Jul 2015, 9:11 pm)Malarkey wrote Makes for interesting Reading, Cant find much else in relation to what we are talking about and issues we are having.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography_and_the_law

Interesting...

The first paragraph seems to say you can photo pretty much anything away from Private Land, so you can hang round the Galleries as long as you aint on land owned by them...

Persistent and aggressive of an individual could be seen as harassment, some people on here should take note of that one

Publishing photos of the Polis and armed forces is illegal under counter terrorism rules...Better check my Facebook and remove the pics I took of a Polis at Durham years ago...because he took a photo of me...

(01 Jul 2015, 9:19 pm)MrFozz wrote Interesting...

The first paragraph seems to say you can photo pretty much anything away from Private Land, so you can hang round the Galleries as long as you aint on land owned by them...

Persistent and aggressive of an individual could be seen as harassment,  some people on here should take note of that one

Publishing photos of the Polis and armed forces is illegal under counter terrorism rules...Better check my Facebook and remove the pics I took of a Polis at Durham years ago...because he took a photo of me...

That is correct, but my argument and failure of understanding has always been that while it maybe Private Land, it is Open to the Public with Public Footpaths etc therefore you are in a Public Place and very much in the Public Eye in which you should be able to take Photos without any issues, which would therefore in my Opinion override any form of Ruling which is in place by the Private Land Owner.

Hey everyone

Recently I have been taking a few train photos (only Northern Rail so far). I have taken photos in Newton Aycliffe plus Darlington, Saltburn and Shildon Railway Stations. I am looking to do a bit more in regards to rail photos as I am kind of enjoying it especially as it helps provide a bit more variety to my Photostream.

So I have got some things to ask:

• Where would be some potential places to get photos
  
• Tips on how to take photos
  

There may be more things I can think of but can't as I am writing this post.

Also I can't say I fancy taking photos at Newcastle Central Station for a few reasons including a lack of knowledge especially if there is rail enthusiasts around who know there stuff where as I pretty much just know what Northern Rail's trains look like, also the whole signing in thing to take photos and such.

If this does become something more frequent and I take photos of trains besides Northern Rail trains please bare with me if I pop up on this forum asking questions as I have little knowledge on trains.

Click the link below to see my Northern Rail photos.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127079988@...3313389781

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Also apologises for bombarding my Flickr full of Arriva photos within the last fortnight but I have spent much of the time in Arriva territory in some cases the photos have been close to home. I have a trip to Scarborough and Moorsbus trips planned for this week and I am looking at doing a Dales & District trip next week where the locations would include: Beadle, Richmond, Ripon, Leyburn and Northallerton. I am also hoping to make more trips further afield and other local trips getting photos of GNE, Stagecoach and independents.

(13 Jul 2015, 12:59 pm)Jimmi wrote Hey everyone

Recently I have been taking a few train photos (only Northern Rail so far). I have taken photos in Newton Aycliffe plus Darlington, Saltburn and Shildon Railway Stations. I am looking to do a bit more in regards to rail photos as I am kind of enjoying it especially as it helps provide a bit more variety to my Photostream.

So I have got some things to ask:

• Where would be some potential places to get photos
  
• Tips on how to take photos
  

There may be more things I can think of but can't as I am writing this post.

Also I can't say I fancy taking photos at Newcastle Central Station for a few reasons including a lack of knowledge especially if there is rail enthusiasts around who know there stuff where as I pretty much just know what Northern Rail's trains look like, also the whole signing in thing to take photos and such.

If this does become something more frequent and I take photos of trains besides Northern Rail trains please bare with me if I pop up on this forum asking questions as I have little knowledge on trains.

Click the link below to see my Northern Rail photos.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127079988@...3313389781

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Also apologises for bombarding my Flickr full of Arriva photos within the last fortnight but I have spent much of the time in Arriva territory in some cases the photos have been close to home. I have a trip to Scarborough and Moorsbus trips planned for this week and I am looking at doing a Dales & District trip next week where the locations would include: Beadle, Richmond, Ripon, Leyburn and Northallerton. I am also hoping to make more trips further afield and other local trips getting photos of GNE, Stagecoach and independents.

Manors train station is a canny spot

The great thing with the railways is that pretty much anything can turn up. Freights are rather good, you have operators such as Freightliner, DB Schenker, Direct Rail Services and GBRf around the north east primarily. I personally prefer lineside shots rather than station shots (excepting some places such as Doncaster for the fast lines).

Regarding 'how' to take a train shot is very similar to buses. Just make sure your exposure is ok along with a good shutter speed to 'stop' the train (General rule of thumb is 1/100 for every 10mph - if you were on a 125mph line you'd want a shutter speed of 1/1250. Linespeed of 60mph and ideally 1/800 but 1/640 would do too).

I typically try to get the front of the train and as much of the side as possible. Not a huge fan of rear shots but, if it turns out right, it can be great.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced Realtime Trains (RTT) is an absolute gem. Say if you were at Durham station and wanted to see what was due next, just search 'Durham' in the top left search box and hit go. There are various other filters/options on there too.

If you're wanting to look at other pics, please feel free to have a look at my photostream.
Feel free to give me a PM if you've got any questions!

(If you're interested, on Wed or Thu this week there should be a DCR locomotive hauling a preserved British Rail ScotRail liveried Class 47 (47712) from Bishop Auckland to Carlisle for the upcoming open day at DRS' Kingmoor Depot [which anyone is very free to come along to, I'll be there]).

(13 Jul 2015, 12:59 pm)Jimmi wrote Hey everyone

Recently I have been taking a few train photos (only Northern Rail so far). I have taken photos in Newton Aycliffe plus Darlington, Saltburn and Shildon Railway Stations. I am looking to do a bit more in regards to rail photos as I am kind of enjoying it especially as it helps provide a bit more variety to my Photostream.

So I have got some things to ask:

• Where would be some potential places to get photos
  
• Tips on how to take photos
  

There may be more things I can think of but can't as I am writing this post.

Also I can't say I fancy taking photos at Newcastle Central Station for a few reasons including a lack of knowledge especially if there is rail enthusiasts around who know there stuff where as I pretty much just know what Northern Rail's trains look like, also the whole signing in thing to take photos and such.

If this does become something more frequent and I take photos of trains besides Northern Rail trains please bare with me if I pop up on this forum asking questions as I have little knowledge on trains.

Click the link below to see my Northern Rail photos.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127079988@...3313389781

---

Also apologises for bombarding my Flickr full of Arriva photos within the last fortnight but I have spent much of the time in Arriva territory in some cases the photos have been close to home. I have a trip to Scarborough and Moorsbus trips planned for this week and I am looking at doing a Dales & District trip next week where the locations would include: Beadle, Richmond, Ripon, Leyburn and Northallerton. I am also hoping to make more trips further afield and other local trips getting photos of GNE, Stagecoach and independents.

(13 Jul 2015, 5:45 pm)northern156 wrote The great thing with the railways is that pretty much anything can turn up. Freights are rather good, you have operators such as Freightliner, DB Schenker, Direct Rail Services and GBRf around the north east primarily. I personally prefer lineside shots rather than station shots (excepting some places such as Doncaster for the fast lines).

Regarding 'how' to take a train shot is very similar to buses. Just make sure your exposure is ok along with a good shutter speed to 'stop' the train (General rule of thumb is 1/100 for every 10mph - if you were on a 125mph line you'd want a shutter speed of 1/1250. Linespeed of 60mph and ideally 1/800 but 1/640 would do too).

I typically try to get the front of the train and as much of the side as possible. Not a huge fan of rear shots but, if it turns out right, it can be great.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced Realtime Trains (RTT) is an absolute gem. Say if you were at Durham station and wanted to see what was due next, just search 'Durham' in the top left search box and hit go. There are various other filters/options on there too.

Jimmi, Listen to Sean, you won't go far wrong with him and you'll pick up a lot from him...I know Sean and know he will look after you, I regard him as a friend...

Looked at your Train Photos Jimmi, they don't look bad at all mate

(13 Jul 2015, 5:55 pm)MrFozz wrote Jimmi, Listen to Sean, you won't go far wrong with him and you'll pick up a lot from him...I know Sean and know he will look after you, I regard him as a friend...

Looked at your Train Photos Jimmi, they don't look bad at all mate

They all look pretty decent - some decent spots... Lineside is always good but it's not always accessible, so that's why stations can be easier for many!
I took this at Metrocentre from the steps onto the footbridge
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61391443@N...jCL-oTxK27

(13 Jul 2015, 5:45 pm)northern156 wrote (If you're interested, on Wed or Thu this week there should be a DCR locomotive hauling a preserved British Rail ScotRail liveried Class 47 (47712) from Bishop Auckland to Carlisle for the upcoming open day at DRS' Kingmoor Depot [which anyone is very free to come along to, I'll be there]).

Aha! Glad you reminded me. That's what I'll be doing on the 18th then.

(13 Jul 2015, 5:55 pm)MrFozz wrote Jimmi, Listen to Sean, you won't go far wrong with him and you'll pick up a lot from him...I know Sean and know he will look after you, I regard him as a friend...

Looked at your Train Photos Jimmi, they don't look bad at all mate

Thanks David! Ditto! Couldn't have made much better friends than on here.

Got sidetracked earlier, seen your current pics Jimmi. I honestly don't think you could've done much better with them. Just need to get you grabbing pics of 125mph stuff now...

(13 Jul 2015, 8:26 pm)tyresmoke wrote They all look pretty decent - some decent spots... Lineside is always good but it's not always accessible, so that's why stations can be easier for many!
I took this at Metrocentre from the steps onto the footbridge
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61391443@N...jCL-oTxK27

I totally agree. The architecture on some stations is fascinating and brilliant to get into a pic (for instance the footbridge at Hexham or old signalbox tower at Haltwhistle).

(13 Jul 2015, 8:41 pm)aureolin wrote Aha! Glad you reminded me. That's what I'll be doing on the 18th then.

Hopefully will see you there! I'm there early doors and positioned in the engineering shed, hopefully giving lectures at how our locos work lol.

(13 Jul 2015, 9:08 pm)northern156 wrote Hopefully will see you there! I'm there early doors and positioned in the engineering shed, hopefully giving lectures at how our locos work lol.

What's the crack with tickets, Sean? It says on the website that they'll be on the web store, but I can't see them??

(13 Jul 2015, 9:09 pm)aureolin wrote What's the crack with tickets, Sean? It says on the website that they'll be on the web store, but I can't see them??

Advance sales ended the other day however you can still buy on the day at the gate. I think they're the same price, all for charity too!

I take it as well you know how to get there? Not meaning to sound patronising in any way, just if you're stuck give me a shout

(I've seen loads and loads of people asking how to get to the depot on Facebook!)

(13 Jul 2015, 9:34 pm)northern156 wrote I take it as well you know how to get there? Not meaning to sound patronising in any way, just if you're stuck give me a shout

(I've seen loads and loads of people asking how to get to the depot on Facebook!)

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Stagecoach in Cumbria's 76 service stop near by?

(13 Jul 2015, 9:37 pm)Davie wrote Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Stagecoach in Cumbria's 76 service stop near by?

Yep that's correct. Stagecoach in Carlisle 76 (for St Ann's Hill). Catch from the city centre, you'll go along a relatively straight road with a large/tall tower-like building on the right and the river on your left. As soon as you see the corner up ahead, ring the bell (pub next to stop called the Redfern Inn). Walk down the little road over the railway bridge then you're there.


Will be interesting to see whether Stagecoach put on any E200s supplementing (or, indeed, replacing) the Optare Solo SRs for the day due to the high patronage the service will get.

With regards to train photos. Here are a few of my favourite spots...

- Newcastle Central
- Manors Station
- Castle Keep
- York Station
- Carlisle Station
- Near Pelaw Grange Greyhound Stadium in Birtley

Just a heads up, This afternoon I took a quick photo of 8252 at Heworth after getting off the 93 from Gateshead where I was approached straight away by two security guards, would seem Nexus have taken on a lot of Security to man there property and to therefore prevent photography on there land, shame they likely wont do anything about smoking mind, was also informed by Security that this was being rolled out across "All" Bus & Metro Stations across the T&W Network, these guys are smartly dressed in White Shirts and Black Trousers and are far from intimidating, just fat and overweight in personal opinion, well at least the two which approached me were anyway.