(27 Jul 2016, 9:53 pm)S813 FVK wrote The 47 needs to go via High Spen to go through Highfield before rejoining the A694 at Rowlands Gill. The change was that they would stop serving High Spen Bus Stand,  not High Spen in general.

What should be taken into consideration regarding the 10A extension is that, in return for the frequency being doubled, Go North East allocate deckers to the replacement service meaning that 2 buses worth of passengers can be put onto 1. I took this view when the 43/44 was replaced by the 6 - souble the frequency but twice as many seats in return.

But if a mpd turns up alike 553 or a Venture which has happened so nothing stopping a mpd or solo appearing on the10A although from your point of 1 bus fitting 2 loads it wouldn't really work as in the 6s case 547 has turned up on journeys and that's smaller than the old citaros on the route.
The extension to Castleside with bigger buses could be Queried to

(27 Jul 2016, 10:12 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote But if a mpd turns up alike 553 or a Venture which has happened so nothing stopping a mpd or solo appearing on the10A although from your point of 1 bus fitting 2 loads it wouldn't really work as in the 6s case 547 has turned up on journeys and that's smaller than the old citaros on the route.
The extension to Castleside with bigger buses could be Queried to

I wasn't considering odd workings that happen but fair enough I guess. For how often something like that happens, it isn't really a major issue (and should be decreased significantly with the amount of deckers that Stanley have which should be more reliable than the Presidents that they are going to be operating alongside).

It was only Monday when we saw 5234 allocated to the 10A. It's one of those things which we are going to have to expect to happen i guess and we can't criticise the company for doing so, even when it isn't ideal.

(27 Jul 2016, 9:42 pm)Jackamcardle wrote I am in the area and use it regularly, and the passenger loads are very hit and miss. I've never seen it so busy in the last few weeks of its existence.

Was very busy when I had 4930 on the last day of its existence

(27 Jul 2016, 9:53 pm)S813 FVK wrote The 47 needs to go via High Spen to go through Highfield before rejoining the A694 at Rowlands Gill. The change was that they would stop serving High Spen Bus Stand,  not High Spen in general.

What should be taken into consideration regarding the 10A extension is that, in return for the frequency being doubled, Go North East allocate deckers to the replacement service meaning that 2 buses worth of passengers can be put onto 1. I took this view when the 43/44 was replaced by the 6 - souble the frequency but twice as many seats in return.

But is having a double decker with a reduced frequency better for passengers? Id rather have a half-Hourly frequency with a Single Decker which is what these people are petitioning to have back.

I suppose it all comes down to the reality of supply and demand and GNE being a business as opposed to a service provider.

If the demand was there, they'd supply more buses, they either aren't making enough money (understandable) or aren't making as much as they'd like (very different but understandable) in that area.

Historically the area has never had a fantastic bus service and like Kibblesworth it's one of those things that the majority are car owners and GNE can't compete with that.

(27 Jul 2016, 10:37 pm)South Tyne Lad wrote But is having a double decker with a reduced frequency better for passengers? Id rather have a half-Hourly frequency with a Single Decker which is what these people are petitioning to have back.

No matter what changes they make to any service the company operates, they are not going to be able to please everybody. If people actually used the service, it wouldn't have been withdrawn. The 1 or 2 journeys that you and other enthusiasts have been on is not an overall representation of the services performance, instead it shows that some journeys are busier than others which is something that applies to most services.

(27 Jul 2016, 10:37 pm)South Tyne Lad wrote Was very busy when I had 4930 on the last day of its existence



But is having a double decker with a reduced frequency better for passengers? Id rather have a half-Hourly frequency with a Single Decker which is what these people are petitioning to have back.

And the 10A takes forever I think that was one of the main complaints that there wasn't a fast bus into Newcastle from the likes of Greenside and Ryton anymore. I agree though I'd rather have a 30 min frequency on a single decker than a 60 min frequency on a double decker.

(27 Jul 2016, 11:06 pm)S813 FVK wrote No matter what changes they make to any service the company operates, they are not going to be able to please everybody. If people actually used the service, it wouldn't have been withdrawn. The 1 or 2 journeys that you and other enthusiasts have been on is not an overall representation of the services performance, instead it shows that some journeys are busier than others which is something that applies to most services.

Over the time of the service, I have used the service at different times in the afternoon through to the Evening Peak, And while its obvious that passenger number's are lesser outside the peaks, Why use that data to contribute to the full axing of that route when passenger numbers are higher in the peaks?
Atleast 1 extra extension in the evening peak is the minimum what these petition goers are asking for, Its more convenient and brings satisfaction up, While only extending 1 extra bus to and from Blackhall in the peaks.

(27 Jul 2016, 11:04 pm)Ambassador wrote I suppose it all comes down to the reality of supply and demand and GNE being a business as opposed to a service provider.

If the demand was there, they'd supply more buses, they either aren't making enough money (understandable) or aren't making as much as they'd like (very different but understandable) in that area.

Historically the area has never had a fantastic bus service and like Kibblesworth it's one of those things that the majority are car owners and GNE can't compete with that.

I understand with it being countryside areas, That a lessor amount of people will use the bus, But demand is there for atleast 1 extra peak 10A id suggest.

(27 Jul 2016, 11:07 pm)Tom wrote And the 10A takes forever I think that was one of the main complaints that there wasn't a fast bus into Newcastle from the likes of Greenside and Ryton anymore. I agree though I'd rather have a 30 min frequency on a single decker than a 60 min frequency on a double decker.

I think there main concern's are the reductions to Hourly, Mostly above.

If demand and profit were there...you'd see a bus.

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If demand and profit were there...you'd see a bus.

(27 Jul 2016, 5:28 pm)MVK 500R wrote So much for improving reliability, the 41 is a no show from Wallsend Metro

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What time was this, as service 41 doesn't depart from Wallsend Interchange from 0727 to 1822. Between those times it starts on High Street West. It does however still arrive at the interchange.

Whilst on the subject on the 40 / 41, I'm sure the via points are the wrong way around on the 40 at least. I will double check when I'm out photoing on Thursday.

4944 now branded Green Arrow

(27 Jul 2016, 11:55 pm)GMitchelhill wrote What time was this, as service 41 doesn't depart from Wallsend Interchange from 0727 to 1822. Between those times it starts on High Street West. It does however still arrive at the interchange.

Whilst on the subject on the 40 / 41, I'm sure the via points are the wrong way around on the 40 at least. I will double check when I'm out photoing on Thursday.

It was the 1822. I'm not too bothered, as the 42 isn't far behind.

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Long gap in service on the 21 this morning. 3965 came off Eighton Lodge roundabout and ran light to Newcastle.

(27 Jul 2016, 11:28 pm)South Tyne Lad wrote Over the time of the service, I have used the service at different times in the afternoon through to the Evening Peak, And while its obvious that passenger number's are lesser outside the peaks, Why use that data to contribute to the full axing of that route when passenger numbers are higher in the peaks?

They use that data because it would be wrong not to - only around 6 (maybe even 5 or 4) hours of a day are classed as 'peak' hours. While the journeys during this time get busy, it is no justification to continue operating the service, even just for them.

I just want to touch upon the e-petition actually (I know it hasn't been mentioned in the above post): I was watching The Wright Stuff yesterday morning (yes, there really wasn't anything else on) and one of the segments that they had was asking if e-petitions were any good. A caller in this part openly admitted that they had 3 different emails for their own reasons which is fine, they then admitted to signing 1 e-petition with all 3 adresses. Do we not think this is how the petition on the withdrawl of the 11 has got as many signature? Otherwise, there'd be an 11 service to Newcastle from Blackhall Mill every 30 minutes.

(27 Jul 2016, 11:04 pm)Ambassador wrote I suppose it all comes down to the reality of supply and demand and GNE being a business as opposed to a service provider.

If the demand was there, they'd supply more buses, they either aren't making enough money (understandable) or aren't making as much as they'd like (very different but understandable) in that area.

Historically the area has never had a fantastic bus service and like Kibblesworth it's one of those things that the majority are car owners and GNE can't compete with that.

I'm wondering if there's shades of the 21/21a/21b here.

Maybe they need the vehicles elsewhere, on a route where they feel they can make more money.
The downside is that the replacement ends up suffering through a domino, cause and effect.

(28 Jul 2016, 7:58 am)Andreos1 wrote I'm wondering if there's shades of the 21/21a/21b here.

Maybe they need the vehicles elsewhere, on a route where they feel they can make more money.
The downside is that the replacement ends up suffering through a domino, cause and effect.

The vehicles on service 11 have been (or will be, at the end of the Metro Replacements) directly withdrawn.

(28 Jul 2016, 8:15 am)Dan wrote The vehicles on service 11 have been (or will be, at the end of the Metro Replacements) directly withdrawn.

So it seems we'll be stuck with the 2 remaining duel door versions for the time-being then... should withdraw them first!

(28 Jul 2016, 9:45 am)Michael wrote So it seems we'll be stuck with the 2 remaining duel door versions for the time-being then... should withdraw them first!

5167 just had its mot renewed

(27 Jul 2016, 11:55 pm)GMitchelhill wrote What time was this, as service 41 doesn't depart from Wallsend Interchange from 0727 to 1822. Between those times it starts on High Street West. It does however still arrive at the interchange.

Whilst on the subject on the 40 / 41, I'm sure the via points are the wrong way around on the 40 at least. I will double check when I'm out photoing on Thursday.

I noticed this on Sunday,Holy Cross and Rosehill,when it should be Rosehill,Holy Cross

Are 9101,9102 still with Go north east?

(28 Jul 2016, 11:30 am)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote Are 9101,9102 still with Go north east?

I was going to ask the same thing!


I've not seen 9101 for a while but I think 9102 is still around at Stanley.

(28 Jul 2016, 11:30 am)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote

Are 9101,9102 still with Go north east?

9101 was returned to Wrights a while back.

9102 is still in service at Stanley

(28 Jul 2016, 11:52 am)Dan wrote 9101 was returned to Wrights a while back.

9102 is still in service at Stanley

Ok im gathering 9102 is vor at stanley

(28 Jul 2016, 10:15 am)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote 5167 just had its mot renewed

Doesn't mean it can't be withdrawn.

Just a reminder that tommorow is the last day of the 11: 40 82 to follingsby park from heworth nothing special but if anyone needs photos or if they think its still running

Whoever was managing the GNE Facebook page should be ashamed of themselves haha! Some of the comments are just as bad 

Will the Presidents at Riverside stay there after the Metro replacements or return back to their home depot?

(28 Jul 2016, 10:03 pm)EL1TE wrote Will the Presidents at Riverside stay there after the Metro replacements or return back to their home depot?

They will all return to Stanley depot.

(28 Jul 2016, 10:16 pm)S813 FVK wrote They will all return to Stanley depot.

Ok thanks

A B5 has been delivered to Riverside today, here for a week or so.

Who will be the first to get a pic of it.........

(29 Jul 2016, 3:46 pm)citaro5284 wrote A B5 has been delivered to Riverside today, here for a week or so.

Who will be the first to get a pic of it.........

Lets play guess the route
My prediction is the 27