(29 Dec 2016, 6:40 pm)markydh wrote PB0002717 Standard National
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD
PB0002717/433
ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
From: Horden To: Durham Framwellgate Moor Via: Name or No.: X24 / X24 Service type: Limited Stop Effective date: 12 February 2017 Other details: Mondays to Saturdays, up to five journeys per day each way
Publication: N&P North East of England(2247), New Short Notice Bus Registration Application
Date: 30 Dec 2016

Up to five journeys per day each way? Interesting.

There's going to be a bit of a clash if the 24X is re-numbered X24 alongside the existing Durham - Metrocentre X24 service...

(29 Dec 2016, 6:51 pm)Dan wrote Up to five journeys per day each way? Interesting.

There's going to be a bit of a clash if the 24X is re-numbered X24 alongside the existing Durham - Metrocentre X24 service...

Always thought GNE should have had a express service from Peterlee, or even Hartlepool to Durham.

Hartlepool-Blackhall-Peterlee-Shotton Bruce-Sherburn Village-Durham hourly.

(29 Dec 2016, 7:30 pm)Tom wrote Always thought GNE should have had a express service from Peterlee, or even Hartlepool to Durham.

Hartlepool-Blackhall-Peterlee-Shotton Bruce-Sherburn Village-Durham hourly.

Would that be any faster from Hartlepool than the 57A?

(29 Dec 2016, 8:54 pm)RobinHood wrote Would that be any faster from Hartlepool than the 57A?

I'm not sure to be honest, probably not by much to be fair.

Could the section from Peterlee-Durham be done in 30 mins, or would it be a full limited stop service unlike current routes operating from Hartlepool?

(29 Dec 2016, 8:54 pm)RobinHood wrote Would that be any faster from Hartlepool than the 57A?

Well, the 24 isn't.

(29 Dec 2016, 9:53 pm)beefcake wrote Could the section from Peterlee-Durham be done in 30 mins, or would it be a full limited stop service unlike current routes operating from Hartlepool?

That would be fairly flat out, tbh. We live half way-ish and there's no much could be shaved off either the 22 or 24 route without missing out the busiest stops.

The quickest route between Hartlepool and Durham was service 22 before the service was diverted via peterlee.

The fastest route between peterlee and Durham was service 240 which is now service 24X. As the service omits a big portion of haswell and totally omits Ludworth etc... as it runs direct between sherburn hill and haswell


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(30 Dec 2016, 12:49 am)BusLoverMum wrote Well, the 24 isn't.

That's the point i was trying to make...

The changes for service X22 is to add some short journeys within teeside area only.

The 24 changes is to remove the 24X journeys.

Service X24:

Horden - Durham Framwellgate Moor
Service operates from 12/02/2017 until further notice
Service operates Monday to Saturday
Inbound, Monday to Friday
X241 X241 X241 X241 X241
Horden, Crossroads, S-bound 06:41 07:11 09:36 11:36 13:36
Horden, Northumberland Street, NE-bound 06:43 07:13 09:38 11:38 13:38
Horden, Yoden Way, SW-bound 06:48 07:18 09:43 11:43 13:43
Peterlee, Bus Station, C 06:52 07:22 09:47 11:47 13:47
Peterlee, Bus Station, C 06:55 07:25 09:50 11:50 13:50
Shotton Colliery, Bruce Glasier Terrace, SW- 07:05 07:35 10:00 12:00 14:00
Haswell Plough, Plough Inn - Durham Lane, 07:11 07:41 10:06 12:06 14:06
Sherburn, Crossroads, W-bound 07:18 07:48 10:13 12:13 14:13
Durham, Bus Station, A 07:29 08:04 10:24 12:24 14:24
Framwellgate Moor, Holmlands Crescent, 08:10 10:30 12:30 14:30


Inbound, Saturday
X24 X24 X24 X24
Horden, Crossroads, S-bound 09:36 11:36 13:36 15:36
Horden, Northumberland Street, NE-bound 09:38 11:38 13:38 15:38
Horden, Yoden Way, SW-bound 09:43 11:43 13:43 15:43
Peterlee, Bus Station, C 09:47 11:47 13:47 15:47
Peterlee, Bus Station, C 09:50 11:50 13:50 15:50
Shotton Colliery, Bruce Glasier Terrace, SW- 10:00 12:00 14:00 16:00
Haswell Plough, Plough Inn - Durham Lane, NW- 10:06 12:06 14:06 16:06
Sherburn, Crossroads, W-bound 10:13 12:13 14:13 16:13
Durham, Bus Station, A 10:24 12:24 14:24 16:24
Framwellgate Moor, Holmlands Crescent, NE- 10:30 12:30 14:30 16:30


Outbound, Monday to Friday
X241 X241 X241 X241 X241
Framwellgate Moor, Holmlands Crescent, 10:34 12:34 14:34 16:19
Durham, Bus Station, H 10:45 12:45 14:45 16:30 17:55
Sherburn, Crossroads, E-bound 10:56 12:56 14:56 16:46 18:06
Haswell Plough, Plough Inn - Durham Lane, 11:03 13:03 15:03 16:53 18:13
Shotton Colliery, Bruce Glasier Terrace, NE- 11:09 13:09 15:09 16:59 18:19
Peterlee, Bus Station, F 11:19 13:19 15:19 17:09 18:29
Peterlee, Bus Station, F 11:22 13:22 15:22 17:12 18:32
Horden, Yoden Way, NE-bound 11:26 13:26 15:26 17:16 18:36
Horden, Northumberland Street, SW-bound 11:31 13:31 15:31 17:21 18:41
Horden, Crossroads, N-bound 11:33 13:33 15:33 17:23 18:43


Outbound, Saturday
X24 X24 X24 X24
Framwellgate Moor, Holmlands Crescent, NE- 10:34 12:34 14:34 16:34
Durham, Bus Station, H 10:45 12:45 14:45 16:45
Sherburn, Crossroads, E-bound 10:56 12:56 14:56 16:56
Haswell Plough, Plough Inn - Durham Lane, SE- 11:03 13:03 15:03 17:03
Shotton Colliery, Bruce Glasier Terrace, NE- 11:09 13:09 15:09 17:09
Peterlee, Bus Station, F 11:19 13:19 15:19 17:19
Peterlee, Bus Station, F 11:22 13:22 15:22 17:22
Horden, Yoden Way, NE-bound 11:26 13:26 15:26 17:26
Horden, Northumberland Street, SW-bound 11:31 13:31 15:31 17:31
Horden, Crossroads, N-bound 11:33 13:33 15:33 17:33

(03 Jan 2017, 4:08 pm)cbma06 wrote The changes for service X22 is to add some short journeys within teeside area only.

The 24 changes is to remove the 24X journeys.

Service X24:

Horden - Durham Framwellgate Moor
Service operates from 12/02/2017 until further notice
Service operates Monday to Saturday
Inbound, Monday to Friday
                                                                                       X241 X241 X241 X241 X241
Horden, Crossroads, S-bound                                 06:41 07:11 09:36 11:36 13:36
Horden, Northumberland Street, NE-bound        06:43 07:13 09:38 11:38 13:38
Horden, Yoden Way, SW-bound                              06:48 07:18 09:43 11:43 13:43
Peterlee, Bus Station, C                                             06:52 07:22 09:47 11:47 13:47
Peterlee, Bus Station, C                                             06:55 07:25 09:50 11:50 13:50
Shotton Colliery, Bruce Glasier Terrace, SW-         07:05 07:35 10:00 12:00 14:00
Haswell Plough, Plough Inn - Durham Lane,         07:11 07:41 10:06 12:06 14:06
Sherburn, Crossroads, W-bound                             07:18 07:48 10:13 12:13 14:13
Durham, Bus Station, A                                             07:29 08:04 10:24 12:24 14:24
Framwellgate Moor, Holmlands Crescent,                       08:10 10:30 12:30 14:30


Inbound, Saturday
                                                                                               X24 X24 X24 X24
Horden, Crossroads, S-bound                                     09:36 11:36 13:36 15:36
Horden, Northumberland Street, NE-bound            09:38 11:38 13:38 15:38
Horden, Yoden Way, SW-bound                                  09:43 11:43 13:43 15:43
Peterlee, Bus Station, C                                                 09:47 11:47 13:47 15:47
Peterlee, Bus Station, C                                                09:50 11:50 13:50 15:50
Shotton Colliery, Bruce Glasier Terrace, SW-           10:00 12:00 14:00 16:00
Haswell Plough, Plough Inn - Durham Lane, NW-  10:06 12:06 14:06 16:06
Sherburn, Crossroads, W-bound                                10:13 12:13 14:13 16:13
Durham, Bus Station, A                                                10:24 12:24 14:24 16:24
Framwellgate Moor, Holmlands Crescent, NE-        10:30 12:30 14:30 16:30


Outbound, Monday to Friday
                                                                                        X241 X241 X241 X241 X241
Framwellgate Moor, Holmlands Crescent,                10:34 12:34 14:34 16:19
Durham, Bus Station, H                                                10:45 12:45 14:45 16:30 17:55
Sherburn, Crossroads, E-bound                                  10:56 12:56 14:56 16:46 18:06
Haswell Plough, Plough Inn - Durham Lane,             11:03 13:03 15:03 16:53 18:13
Shotton Colliery, Bruce Glasier Terrace, NE-             11:09 13:09 15:09 16:59 18:19
Peterlee, Bus Station, F                                                  11:19 13:19 15:19 17:09 18:29
Peterlee, Bus Station, F                                                 11:22 13:22 15:22 17:12 18:32
Horden, Yoden Way, NE-bound                                   11:26 13:26 15:26 17:16 18:36
Horden, Northumberland Street, SW-bound             11:31 13:31 15:31 17:21 18:41
Horden, Crossroads, N-bound                                      11:33 13:33 15:33 17:23 18:43


Outbound, Saturday
                                                                                                    X24 X24 X24 X24
Framwellgate Moor, Holmlands Crescent, NE-             10:34 12:34 14:34 16:34
Durham, Bus Station, H                                                     10:45 12:45 14:45 16:45
Sherburn, Crossroads, E-bound                                      10:56 12:56 14:56 16:56
Haswell Plough, Plough Inn - Durham Lane, SE-          11:03 13:03 15:03 17:03
Shotton Colliery, Bruce Glasier Terrace, NE-                 11:09 13:09 15:09 17:09
Peterlee, Bus Station, F                                                      11:19 13:19 15:19 17:19
Peterlee, Bus Station, F                                                      11:22 13:22 15:22 17:22
Horden, Yoden Way, NE-bound                                        11:26 13:26 15:26 17:26
Horden, Northumberland Street, SW-bound                  11:31 13:31 15:31 17:31
Horden, Crossroads, N-bound                                          11:33 13:33 15:33 17:33

So, I wonder what's happening with the current X24 on a Saturday, then. And with the 24s that currently leave Durham at 10:52, 12:52 etc. It's going to be confusing for the people on the 24 route if every 4th bus is missed out. That's the sort of nonsense that makes people give up and find alternative means of transport, if they have it.

(03 Jan 2017, 4:22 pm)BusLoverMum wrote So, I wonder what's happening with the current X24 on a Saturday, then. And with the 24s that currently leave Durham at 10:52, 12:52 etc. It's going to be confusing for the people on the 24 route if every 4th bus is missed out. That's the sort of nonsense that makes people give up and find alternative means of transport, if they have it.

I believe these are going to be on top of the existing 24 timetable, offering quicker journey times between Peterlee & Durham

(03 Jan 2017, 4:08 pm)cbma06 wrote The changes for service X22 is to add some short journeys within teeside area only.

BIB: this is something I'm really sick of now - it's Teesside! There's two S in the work not 1. There - that's that off my chest.
As for the X22 change, this will supposed see new short journeys between Middlesbrough and North Tees Hospital (so really short) which will mean that Arriva and Stagecoach will both boast 8 direct buses an hour between Middlesbrough and Stockton - Stagecoach's 'Zone' 36/37/38 vs Arriva's 'MAX' X12/X22/X66/X67.

(03 Jan 2017, 8:48 pm)Kuyoyo wrote BIB: this is something I'm really sick of now - it's Teesside! There's two S in the work not 1.

It's word - there's a d in the word, not a k! ;-)

(03 Jan 2017, 8:54 pm)Dan wrote It's word - there's a d in the word, not a k! ;-)

And that's why I always try to avoid a rant about the incorrect spelling of the area - because, as I have done, I will likely spell something wrong myself.

(03 Jan 2017, 8:48 pm)Kuyoyo wrote BIB: this is something I'm really sick of now - it's Teesside! There's two S in the work not 1. There - that's that off my chest.
As for the X22 change, this will supposed see new short journeys between Middlesbrough and North Tees Hospital (so really short) which will mean that Arriva and Stagecoach will both boast 8 direct buses an hour between Middlesbrough and Stockton - Stagecoach's 'Zone' 36/37/38 vs Arriva's 'MAX' X12/X22/X66/X67.

Stagecoach also have the 13, which at 17 minutes is only 2 minutes behind the zone and 1 minute behind the X12, which would take their offering up to 10 buses an hour

(03 Jan 2017, 9:53 pm)beefcake wrote Stagecoach also have the 13, which at 17 minutes is only 2 minutes behind the zone and 1 minute behind the X12, which would take their offering up to 10 buses an hour

You could also say that this would take Arriva's offerings up to 10 buses an hour between Stockton and Middlesbrough if you include the 17A, even if it does take a fair bit longer than the other services.

Some of the Teesside Changes are now showing on the App:

Sapphire 5/5a

• 5a is cut back to Skelton Hollybush Estate - daytime journeys officially terminate at the Hollybush Hotel with the evening terminating trips running all the way to Rievaulx Road End
  
• Journeys now operate 7 minutes later during the day - departures from Middlesbrough are now xx12 (5a) xx27 (5 via Skinningrove) xx42 (5a) xx57 (5 via Liverton Mines)
  
• Peak time journeys remain every 10 minutes
  

Sapphire X4

• Later journeys from Whitby added at 2007 to Middlesbrough - this also results in an extension of the 1805 from Middlesbrough to Whitby (departure now 1810) with no X4 journeys to Easington weekdays
  
• Daytime journeys will now leave Middlesbrough at xx05 and xx35, Whitby at xx07 and xx37
  

Service 17/17a

• Short journeys on 17s are re-routed in Ingleby Barwick to serve Beckfields and operating a one-way loop round the Estate - now only serving Lowfields and the Teal Arms on the return to Middlesbrough
  

According to the drivers, at this stage only two extra peak journeys each way between Stockton and North Tees Hospital have been added from Feb, running as positioning trips to/from Service 15 at Roseworth. The extra bus per hour is expected to come in the summer, along with a MAX upgrade.

The 29A is re-routed to run via The Avenue instead of Palladium Shops & The Vale on its way to Saltersgill I am told.

(04 Jan 2017, 7:31 am)tyresmoke wrote The 29A is re-routed to run via The Avenue instead of Palladium Shops & The Vale on its way to Saltersgill I am told.

The app does indeed now show that - the stops on the Avenue and Emerson Avenue are now showing.

EDIT: a further one discovered is the re-routing of evening journeys on the 27 in Middlesbrough Centre to operate via Corporation Road and Marton Road to serve Cineworld after 1850 (Monday to Saturday) or 1750 (Sunday).

Timetables are now online:

5/5a
7/7a
9
17/17a/X17
27/27a
28/28a
29/29a
62/62a
63
64/64a
S1/S2
X3/X3a
X4 - not available
X22

The new Horden to Durham X24 timetable is online aswell, even though the main heading at the top states X24 Durham to metrocentre.


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(05 Jan 2017, 7:37 am)cbma06 wrote The new Horden to Durham X24 timetable is online aswell, even though the main heading at the top states X24 Durham to metrocentre.


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It appears they're combining the timetable on Saturdays, although the services clearly don't interwork. Bizarre.

(05 Jan 2017, 1:20 pm)James101 wrote It appears they're combining the timetable on Saturdays, although the services clearly don't interwork. Bizarre.

Probably just Arriva's stupid online timetables have put both X24's into the same timetable as they both have the same service number.

(04 Jan 2017, 8:46 am)Kuyoyo wrote The app does indeed now show that - the stops on the Avenue and Emerson Avenue are now showing.

EDIT: a further one discovered is the re-routing of evening journeys on the 27 in Middlesbrough Centre to operate via Corporation Road and Marton Road to serve Cineworld after 1850 (Monday to Saturday) or 1750 (Sunday).

Are those new timetables available on the Arriva website? I could only see the old ones just now.

(05 Jan 2017, 5:17 pm)tvd wrote Are those new timetables available on the Arriva website?  I could only see the old ones just now.

See this post - click the relevant route number to open the timetable.

(05 Jan 2017, 5:18 pm)Dan wrote See this post - click the relevant route number to open the timetable.

Thank you - got it! Just need the X4 now, but glad to see they're at least having a slightly later bus back from Whitby

(05 Jan 2017, 1:20 pm)James101 wrote It appears they're combining the timetable on Saturdays, although the services clearly don't interwork. Bizarre.

That is what baffled me. Cue a sapphire spare holiaying in the layover spaces at dbs for half the day.

Nothing new, then

(05 Jan 2017, 1:31 pm)Jimmi wrote Probably just Arriva's stupid online timetables have put both X24's into the same timetable as they both have the same service number.

Think you'll be right there, the two X24's are clearly not meant to be on the same timetable sheet.