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(16 Aug 2019, 8:15 am)BusLoverMum wrote Just noticed 1328 with 64 branding missing.

Deliberate? (please please please please)

&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Debranded a few months ago - never made sense why there was 9 branded Enviros for a PVR of 8. 1328 is now technically Durham's Frequenta spare for both the 49/49a and 64 but seems to end up on anything and everything (passed in in Deaf Hill yesterday on a 57a while I was on an X22).</p>

(16 Aug 2019, 8:15 am)BusLoverMum wrote Just noticed 1328 with 64 branding missing.

Deliberate? (please please please please)

Yes, branding was removed from this one to allow greater flexibility with allocations especially as one more was 64 branded than what was required (9 branded for PVR of 8). 1533 also lost it's 6 branding to allow greater flexibility with allocations with 7539 losing 24 branding for the same reason.

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(16 Aug 2019, 8:37 am)Kuyoyo wrote </p><p><br></p><p></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Debranded a few months ago - never made sense why there was 9 branded Enviros for a PVR of 8. 1328 is now technically Durham's Frequenta spare for both the 49/49a and 64 but seems to end up on anything and everything (passed in in Deaf Hill yesterday on a 57a while I was on an X22).</p><p><br></p><p>

(16 Aug 2019, 8:40 am)Jimmi wrote Yes, branding was removed from this one to allow greater flexibility with allocations especially as one more was 64 branded than what was required (9 branded for PVR of 8). 1533 also lost it's 6 branding to allow greater flexibility with allocations with 7539 losing 24 branding for the same reason.

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Often overcrowded to the point that I'll happily pay more for a GNE bus. That's even with the college off for the summer.&nbsp;</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">3. Half of them are knackered. Crawl uphill, even when half full. The 64&nbsp;routes have&nbsp;a lot of uphill.&nbsp;</p><br></p><br></p>

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Often overcrowded to the point that I'll happily pay more for a GNE bus. That's even with the college off for the summer.&nbsp;</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">3. Half of them are knackered. Crawl uphill, even when half full. The 64&nbsp;routes have&nbsp;a lot of uphill.&nbsp;</p><br><p></p><br><p></p>

Solos even less capacity!

1430 broken down on the a66 towards redcar around 6 o'clock

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(16 Aug 2019, 3:10 pm)Cock Robin wrote Solos even less capacity!

</p><p><br></p><p>I know! The 64 needs full sized single deckers.</p>

(17 Aug 2019, 10:13 am)BusLoverMum wrote I know! The 64 needs full sized single deckers.

I've been saying that since 2012!

It used to!

Temsa 4702 has been repainted into the new Arriva livery from Frequenta.

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(18 Aug 2019, 11:58 am)S830OFT wrote Temsa 4702 has been repainted into the new Arriva livery from Frequenta.

Its been done months. And 4700/1.

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(19 Aug 2019, 10:20 am)Cock Robin wrote Its been done months. And 4700/1.

</p><p>It would make sense for the VDL Pulsars to follow with a repaint &amp; refurb...</p>

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(19 Aug 2019, 10:34 am)S830OFT wrote </p><p>
</p><p>It would make sense for the VDL Pulsars to follow with a repaint &amp; refurb...</p><p>

&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Stockton's Pulsars are supposedly next in line for refurbishment - which is why 1417 has returned from Gardeners still in original livery but with the front end back to its original cream state (rather than the mixed original/interurban scheme).</p>

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(19 Aug 2019, 10:20 am)Cock Robin wrote Its been done months. And 4700/1.

January in fact.

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(19 Aug 2019, 10:40 am)Kuyoyo wrote <p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Stockton's Pulsars are supposedly next in line for refurbishment - which is why 1417 has returned from Gardeners still in original livery but with the front end back to its original cream state (rather than the mixed original/interurban scheme).</p>

If they're next in line for refurbishment why repaint the front back to original cream state?!

Since the frequent branding is now defunct are there plans to refurb all the buses branded with it

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(19 Aug 2019, 10:20 am)Cock Robin wrote Its been done months. And 4700/1.

(19 Aug 2019, 10:34 am)S830OFT wrote </p><p>
</p><p>It would make sense for the VDL Pulsars to follow with a repaint &amp; refurb...</p><p>

</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Still 4721-6 in the old livery&nbsp;</p>

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(19 Aug 2019, 11:43 am)Cock Robin wrote If they're next in line for refurbishment why repaint the front back to original cream state?!

</p><p>Presumably that tells us Gardiners are not doing the refurbishments hence they'll have just repaired the front end&nbsp;(internally and externally)</p>

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(19 Aug 2019, 4:41 pm)tyresmoke wrote <p>
</p><p>Presumably that tells us Gardiners are not doing the refurbishments hence they'll have just repaired the front end&nbsp;(internally and externally)</p>

Won’t it either be Thornton’s or Blackburn that do the colour refurbishments

I think Frequenta branding had already been dropped, or was about to be, when the 15s received the branding. Certainly the new livery had arrived. So don't think they'll be in a rush to repaint them again. There's other stuff not been done in ten years.

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(19 Aug 2019, 7:21 pm)Cock Robin wrote I think Frequenta branding had already been dropped, or was about to be, when the 15s received the branding. Certainly the new livery had arrived. So don't think they'll be in a rush to repaint them again. There's other stuff not been done in ten years.

</p><p>Forget 10 years, 1769 &amp; 1791 have gone nearly 15 years without a repaint...</p>

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(19 Aug 2019, 5:31 pm)Stuartphin1639 wrote Won’t it either be Thornton’s or Blackburn that do the colour refurbishments

</p><p>Likely or Read Commercials is another one that NE &amp; Yorkshire use heavily.</p>

Is 4523 still in service at Jesmond?
Also will 1759 & 4516 be retained at Redcar until October when 7609/7610 return to Redcar?

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(20 Aug 2019, 4:56 pm)S830OFT wrote <b>Is 4523 still in service at Jesmond?
</b>Also will 1759 &amp; 4516 be retained at Redcar until October when 7609/7610 return to Redcar?

</p><p><br></p><p>Was 52/53/54 cycle yesterday.</p>

From observations I have noticed several buses still with the original interior, which is incredibly outdated - so here is a list of them for anybody trying to keep track...
Original:
Commanders:
1401* - 1403*
VDL Pulsar 2s:
1407/1409/1410/1414/1417/1418/1420 - 1428
MPDs*:
1759/1760/1769/1791/1800/1801
Solos:
2801/2802/2809/2810/2812 - 2825/2827/2828/2830/2832 - 2851
Deckers:
7445*/7446*/7453 - 7456
* Unlikely to be refurbished...

Inter-Urban:
VDL Pulsar 2s:
1429 - 1439/1444 - 1464/1467 - 1478/1484 - 1492/1494/1497/1499/1508 - 1511
MPDs*:
1766 - 1768/1773
Solos:
2601 - 2603/2852 - 2871
Volvo B10/ALX300s*:
4516/4523
Deckers*:
7484 - 7494

In terms of Double Deckers, refurbishments aren't necessary as it seems they are used on School work most of the time. And most Double Decker vehicles in the fleet are either MAX or Sapphire...

Also for anybody wanting photos of the original livery buses, before they eventually disappear from the North East...

Original Livery:
1407/1409/1410/1414/1417*/1418/1420 - 1423/1769/1791/2809/2812/2813/2814/2818 - 2820
1417 is apparently getting repainted into the new livery atm.

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(20 Aug 2019, 8:25 pm)S830OFT wrote 1417 is apparently getting repainted into the new livery atm.

&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Maybe read what has already been put - 1417 has returned from Gardeners and remains in its Original livery with the Interurban skirt, with the front end once again fully in original cream livery, rather than the half original/half Interurban scheme it carried following repairs last year.</p>

Redcar are two stretlites down today, spotted 2 at the rear of the depot both facing the fence

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(22 Aug 2019, 8:33 am)Ryland wrote Redcar are two stretlites down today, spotted 2 at the rear of the depot both facing the fence

</p><p>In the naughty corner?&nbsp;</p>

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(21 Aug 2019, 12:24 pm)Kuyoyo wrote <p>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Maybe read what has already been put - 1417 has returned from Gardeners and remains in its Original livery with the Interurban skirt, with the front end once again fully in original cream livery, rather than the half original/half Interurban scheme it carried following repairs last year.</p>

Gardiners

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(22 Aug 2019, 8:33 am)Ryland wrote Redcar are two stretlites down today, spotted 2 at the rear of the depot both facing the fence

Only two?!

1596 broken down at moorcock


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<p>Why does the 52 finish earlier than the 53,the 53 runs all the way til 11pm going to shields,midnight going the otherway(last journey runs to Killingworth only),i'd say theres probably more purpose having the 52 run til midnight cosidering it serves Newcastle,not alot to do in shields after the shops close,pretty backwards in my opinion</p>

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(25 Aug 2019, 3:48 pm)V514DFT wrote </p><p>Why does the 52 finish earlier than the 53,the 53 runs all the way til 11pm going to shields,midnight going the otherway(last journey runs to Killingworth only),i'd say theres probably more purpose having the 52 run til midnight cosidering it serves Newcastle,not alot to do in shields after the shops close,pretty backwards in my opinion</p><p>

<br></p><p><br></p><p>The 52 is more about connecting places to the Freeman, there's not much demand for that past 8pm basically.</p><p><br></p><p>The rest the route is duplicated by faster buses.</p><p><br></p><p>Killingworth: 54 / Stagecoach<br></p><p>Quorum / Burradon: X7 / X8</p><p>Dudley: 43</p><p>Cramlington: 43 / X10 / X11</p><p>Longbenton: 55</p><p>Killingworth - Cramlington: 42/53<br></p>