So just been thinking with CAZ coming very soon the 26/27/57 need to get replacements and what i am thinking was 5442-5451 & 5463-5480 head to riverside and send the citaro's to Hownsgill and Deptford, in a way downgrade but same spec ?

(03 Mar 2020, 8:45 pm)Citaro5326 wrote So just been thinking with CAZ coming very soon the 26/27/57 need to get replacements and what i am thinking was 5442-5451 & 5463-5480 head to riverside and send the citaro's to Hownsgill and Deptford, in a way downgrade but same spec ?

I've heard that as a rumour already. Would make sense, but doesn't seem "fair" on the routes that justified nice new buses being palmed off with buses ready to be disposed of. Claim what you want about Citaros being nicer than Streetlites, they're certainly no where near as reliable.

(03 Mar 2020, 8:45 pm)Citaro5326 wrote So just been thinking with CAZ coming very soon the 26/27/57 need to get replacements and what i am thinking was 5442-5451 & 5463-5480 head to riverside and send the citaro's to Hownsgill and Deptford, in a way downgrade but same spec ?

6/12/26/27/57 will all be affected. Dont forget the 8 saltwell park streetlites will be available soon.

As far as I'm aware, streetlites can be upgraded to euro 6

(03 Mar 2020, 9:18 pm)JP6004 wrote 6/12/26/27/57 will all be affected. Dont forget the 8 saltwell park streetlites will be available soon.

As far as I'm aware, streetlites can be upgraded to euro 6

Quite a lot of vehicles to be reallocated in the coming months as a result of new buses coming in.

Volvo B9TL's
6001 to 6007, 6049 to 6055, 6149 to 6161

6118 to 6121 as we already know are going to East Yorkshire

Wright Streetlites
5409 to 5418, 8339 to 8346

Mercedes Citaros
5275 to 5284, 5294 to 5318, 5320 to 5325

5481 to 5487 as we already know will be withdrawn from service

Optare Versas
5377 to 5384 and 5389

(03 Mar 2020, 9:48 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I'd imagine the E400s are just as efficient, if not moreso than the vehicles they run instead


Those Streetlites can't be upgraded.


Citaros are a nicer ride, but the seats make them unbearable. So I'd happily take a Streetlite over a Citaro!

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If they're the Cummins models, I'm quite sure they can.

(03 Mar 2020, 10:29 pm)Big O wrote If they're the Cummins models, I'm quite sure they can.

It's already been confirmed a few times that they can't

(03 Mar 2020, 11:00 pm)streetdeckfan wrote It's already been confirmed a few times that they can't

I thought was only confirmed that the citaros cant

(03 Mar 2020, 11:44 pm)JP6004 wrote I thought was only confirmed that the citaros cant

Nope, Dan confirmed that neither the Streetlites nor the Citaros can be upgraded to Euro 6

(04 Mar 2020, 12:13 am)streetdeckfan wrote Nope, Dan confirmed that neither the Streetlites nor the Citaros can be upgraded to Euro 6

Yet decade old B7RLEs and B9TLs can easily be converted... 

Ironic that in many instances the Streetlite replaced heavy duty vehicles such as the B7RLE, yet the latter is more future proof than the rattling monstrosity.

(03 Mar 2020, 10:29 pm)Big O wrote If they're the Cummins models, I'm quite sure they can.

Go North East’s preferred contractor for the Euro 6 exhaust modifications is Eminox, who don’t have any options to upgrade Streetlites from Euro 5 to Euro 6.

There’s a possibility of a whole engine conversion, which I think (stand to be corrected) is what Stagecoach have done on MANviro 300s 24101-15, but this is presumably a lot more costly.


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(04 Mar 2020, 12:39 am)mb134 wrote Yet decade old B7RLEs and B9TLs can easily be converted... 

Ironic that in many instances the Streetlite replaced heavy duty vehicles such as the B7RLE, yet the latter is more future proof than the rattling monstrosity.

I don’t think it’s a case of being more future-proof.

Manufacturers probably don’t expect operators to carry out these modifications to their buses post-delivery.

The exhaust modifications are all about removing particulate matter and other harmful gases, which bring the bus in line with that of a standard Euro 6 diesel bus. The Streetlite, especially those with the Micro-Hybrid package, are already very clean and much more environmentally-friendly than other Euro 5 buses. Wrightbus presumably therefore wouldn’t have expected any further modifications to be made.


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(03 Mar 2020, 9:57 pm)Malarkey wrote Quite a lot of vehicles to be reallocated in the coming months as a result of new buses coming in.

Volvo B9TL's
6001 to 6007, 6049 to 6055, 6149 to 6161

6118 to 6121 as we already know are going to East Yorkshire

Wright Streetlites
5409 to 5418, 8339 to 8346

Mercedes Citaros
5275 to 5284, 5294 to 5318, 5320 to 5325

5481 to 5487 as we already know will be withdrawn from service

Optare Versas
5377 to 5384 and 5389

Definitely gonna be an interesting year for cascades.


Interested to see what will replace the Citaro's on the Newcastle routes... is it the 1st January 2021 when the CAZ zone comes in to force.

(04 Mar 2020, 8:03 pm)Michael wrote Definitely gonna be an interesting year for cascades.


Interested to see what will replace the Citaro's on the Newcastle routes... is it the 1st January 2021 when the CAZ zone comes in to force.

Rumours seem to suggest that the X1 B9s might end up replacing the Crusaders and the X9/X10 B5s replacing the X84/X85. I wonder if some of the Streetlites that are replaced by the StreetDecks could then replace the Citaros and Omnicitys on the 6/12

Weren't some of 6149-6161 going onto the Loop.

Don't think the buses for the 58 are due this year, so the Versas prob remain until 2021, plus they can be upgraded to Euro 6.

Rough guess would be Red Arrow B9s to the 26/27 whilst which ever of 6149 - 6161 that don't go on the loop go to Hexham for the X84/X85 until the new buses for the X9/X10 arrive. Euro 6 Streetlites to go on the 6/12/57?

(04 Mar 2020, 8:41 pm)Rapidsnap wrote Weren't some of 6149-6161 going onto the Loop.

Don't think the buses for the 58 are due this year, so the Versas prob remain until 2021, plus they can be upgraded to Euro 6.

Rough guess would be Red Arrow B9s to the 26/27 whilst which ever of 6149 - 6161 that don't go on the loop go to Hexham for the X84/X85 until the new buses for the X9/X10 arrive. Euro 6 Streetlites to go on the 6/12/57?

I vaguely remember someone mentioning that the plans for the Loop being upgraded to deckers had basically been cancelled

(04 Mar 2020, 8:42 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I vaguely remember someone mentioning that the plans for the Loop being upgraded to deckers had basically been cancelled

Temporarily cancelled due to the late Streetdecks. I believe the plan is still for 6 of 6149-6161 to be used on the 93/94.

(04 Mar 2020, 9:58 pm)NewcastleOne wrote Temporarily cancelled due to the late Streetdecks. I believe the plan is still for 6 of 6149-6161 to be used on the 93/94.

That's probably it. Like I said I only vaguely remember it being mentioned!

To be honest, the main thing that has annoyed me about the late StreetDecks is the fact they won't be 69 plates anymore!

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(04 Mar 2020, 10:14 pm)streetdeckfan wrote That's probably it. Like I said I only vaguely remember it being mentioned!

To be honest, the main thing that has annoyed me about the late StreetDecks is the fact they won't be 69 plates anymore!

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What difference does it make by the registration, they will probably arrive as 20 plates making it look like even newer buses than ordered, still the same buses made just a few months late

I think it was a joke comment about 69 lol

(04 Mar 2020, 11:31 pm)idiot wrote I think it was a joke comment about 69 lol

I'm not that immature!

In the live Q&A, it was mentioned that the X1 PVR is 14. I've had a look and it's actually 13 unless the 14th is a misc working which will be allocated an X-Lines E400MMC to ensure consistency.

The Volvo Olympians were stirling performers on the X10 (and X9).

Spectras were trialled for a little bit but their London Spec meant their top speed was a bit low.

Then before that you had Cummins L10 Olympians on the X10, but age was a factor in taking them off.

Before that the X1/X10 when United / Tees and Northern it was a mixture of Olympians (Cummins from Go and Gardener from NEB), Metrobuses (Go Only), Tigers (Both), and prob the odd Leyland National Mk2 from Go-Ahead too.

(05 Mar 2020, 10:33 pm)L469 YVK wrote In the live Q&A, it was mentioned that the X1 PVR is 14. I've had a look and it's actually 13 unless the 14th is a misc working which will be allocated an X-Lines E400MMC to ensure consistency.

Weekday is 14, Saturday is 13.


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Just to confirm, I remember the other week we were talking about Streetlites, and their potential to be upgraded to Euro6. I've recently seen that they can via Eminox.

(03 Mar 2020, 8:45 pm)Citaro5326 wrote So just been thinking with CAZ coming very soon the 26/27/57 need to get replacements and what i am thinking was 5442-5451 & 5463-5480 head to riverside and send the citaro's to Hownsgill and Deptford, in a way downgrade but same spec ?

I wonder when CAZ is due to start, and how different Go North East services will be as a result?  I am debating whether to come this August or for example next May?  I may well come soon if the final ex-London Volvo double-decker face withdrawal before CAZ.

(14 Mar 2020, 10:27 pm)Citaro5326 wrote I'm starting to think Mercs to go on 5/50 & 2/2A/39 & 16/16A but doesn't look good.

If Black Cats and Diamond's are Euro 6, they'll almost certainly be reallocated onto a route which goes into the CAZ. 6/12 and 26/27 would be the obvious choice. I still think the replacement for the Crusaders should be the Red Arrow B9s. PVR would be an issue unless they cut the 26 short.

Mercs unlikely to be allocated to the 5/50 due to the Omnicities now being Euro 6

(15 Mar 2020, 4:52 am)6049 wrote If Black Cats and Diamond's are Euro 6, they'll almost certainly be reallocated onto a route which goes into the CAZ. 6/12 and 26/27 would be the obvious choice. I still think the replacement for the Crusaders should be the Red Arrow B9s. PVR would be an issue unless they cut the 26 short.

Mercs unlikely to be allocated to the 5/50 due to the Omnicities now being Euro 6

The 5 and 50 don't go onto the CAZ, though, so don't need to be euro6. It's a narural route to move the mercs onto.

(15 Mar 2020, 8:44 am)BusLoverMum wrote The 5 and 50 don't go onto the CAZ, though, so don't need to be euro6. It's a narural route to move the mercs onto.

The funding was provided by south Tyneside council to upgrade these to euro 6. They have to be allocated to this route for minimum of 3yrs. Believe Dan said they could be reallocated if new new euro 6 buses were purchased for the route

(15 Mar 2020, 8:55 am)JP6004 wrote The funding was provided by south Tyneside council to upgrade these to euro 6. They have to be allocated to this route for minimum of 3yrs. Believe Dan said they could be reallocated if new new euro 6 buses were purchased for the route

Which is unlikely to happen due to how quiet the route can be, certainly doesn't warrant new buses although I would like to see the Mercs of the 4 go on there after they're replaced but that I'm afraid is likely to be wishful thinking.

(15 Mar 2020, 9:47 am)6049 wrote Which is unlikely to happen due to how quiet the route can be, certainly doesn't warrant new buses although I would like to see the Mercs of the 4 go on there after they're replaced but that I'm afraid is likely to be wishful thinking.

I think it's quite busy majority of the time and sometimes warrants DD. I'd like to see the B5Hs to be reallocated to 50 some point in future. As they short wheelbase, be ideal providing extra capacity but also being more cost effective. While also maintaining euro 6 emission (once the new engines are fitted)

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