(27 May 2020, 10:58 am)JP6004 wrote 10 buses an hour from wrekenton to QE. One every 6mins, not a huge inconvenience

It's an inconvenience to those in Barley Mow, Vigo, Portobello, Portmeads, Northside and Eighton Banks who now need to make a break to their journey. As mentioned before, a 15 minute journey now becomes a much lengthier journey.

Planning a return journey which meets a 25 in Wrekenton without having a wait for some time is not convenient!

(27 May 2020, 11:02 am)LeeCalder wrote It's an inconvenience to those in Barley Mow, Vigo, Portobello, Portmeads, Northside and Eighton Banks who now need to make a break to their journey. As mentioned before, a 15 minute journey now becomes a much lengthier journey.

Planning a journey which meets a 25 in Wrekenton without having a wait for some time is not convenient!

If you time it to catch an X1, will probs be quicker!

I'm going to miss X88 from washy to galls. Convenient however passenger numbers were very low. Can understand why it's been withdrawn. If passengers travelling to QE from sections along old 25 route were as low, I can understand them removing the link - no doubt they have the data to back this up.

But I think X88 passengers will loose out more. 20mins journey now doubled. Passengers changing at wrekenton for QE - max of 10mins during the day

(27 May 2020, 11:02 am)LeeCalder wrote It's an inconvenience to those in Barley Mow, Vigo, Portobello, Portmeads, Northside and Eighton Banks who now need to make a break to their journey. As mentioned before, a 15 minute journey now becomes a much lengthier journey.

Planning a return journey which meets a 25 in Wrekenton without having a wait for some time is not convenient!

I imagine it doubles journey time but I doubt there's a political appetite or demand to fight the change especially when buses are basically going to be propped up by our taxes for some time.

HM Govt will want value for money - none of those pesky service routes - get the coins (or contactless card touches) rolling in!

(27 May 2020, 10:58 am)JP6004 wrote 10 buses an hour from wrekenton to QE. One every 6mins, not a huge inconvenience

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I wonder if X20 be transferred to Chester. Lot of late runnings on southern section

Will the X6/x7 still be connected to the x20?


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(27 May 2020, 11:07 am)JP6004 wrote If you time it to catch an X1, will probs be quicker!

I'm going to miss X88 from washy to galls. Convenient however passenger numbers were very low. Can understand why it's been withdrawn. If passengers travelling to QE from sections along old 25 route were as low, I can understand them removing the link - no doubt they have the data to back this up.

But I think X88 passengers will loose out more. 20mins journey now doubled. Passengers changing at wrekenton for QE - max of 10mins during the day

Personally I can't see splitting a journey and waiting for another bus to be quicker...

In my opinion, as someone who uses this service for that particular journey on a frequent basis, it's most certainly an inconvenience.

The vast majority of passengers using the link to the QE from my aforementioned areas will be elderly, travelling to appointments, and changing buses throws a spanner in the works for their previously quick and simple journey, regardless of how easy it may seem for us spring chickens.

(27 May 2020, 11:14 am)cbma06 wrote Will the X6/x7 still be connected to the x20?


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I'm not sure. Cant imagine it will now with X20 being extended - as far as I'm aware they will still use solos and singles on X6/X7

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(27 May 2020, 11:16 am)LeeCalder wrote Personally I can't see splitting a journey and waiting for another bus to be quicker...

In my opinion, as someone who uses this service for that particular journey on a frequent basis, it's most certainly an inconvenience.

The vast majority of passengers using the link to the QE from my aforementioned areas will be elderly, travelling to appointments, and changing buses throws a spanner in the works for their previously quick and simple journey, regardless of how easy it may seem for us spring chickens.

I sometimes change at wrekenton from 56 to X1. Definitely a lot quicker to QE let alone Gateshead.
I didnt realise you were still a spring chicken....no matter how much lycra you wear 

(27 May 2020, 11:18 am)JP6004 wrote I'm not sure. Cant imagine it will now with X20 being extended - as far as I'm aware they will still use solos and singles on X6/X7

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I sometimes change at wrekenton from 56 to X1. Definitely a lot quicker to QE let alone Gateshead.
I didnt realise you were still a spring chicken....no matter how much lycra you wear 

Now Now!

(27 May 2020, 11:16 am)LeeCalder wrote Personally I can't see splitting a journey and waiting for another bus to be quicker...

In my opinion, as someone who uses this service for that particular journey on a frequent basis, it's most certainly an inconvenience.

The vast majority of passengers using the link to the QE from my aforementioned areas will be elderly, travelling to appointments, and changing buses throws a spanner in the works for their previously quick and simple journey, regardless of how easy it may seem for us spring chickens.

Depends how many of those passengers are now going to travel or will be at home shielding. Let's be honest - if the route had that much demand it would survive. We're in a world where it's all about cash. It's like seeing reduced ranges in supermarkets and takeaways - cut the cloth to focus on making money to keep the business alive.

I have to say - I can't see me conceivably wanting to ever board a bus in the short to medium term and I'd imagine those of us with options of the car or resources for a taxi will be the same.

Does the Q1 not cover the diverted 25 or can passengers not make a shorter walking journey from Harlow Green to Durham Road to catch the X12, 21 or 28B?

(27 May 2020, 11:21 am)LeeCalder wrote Now Now!   

I've seen the pictures 

(27 May 2020, 10:58 am)JP6004 wrote I wonder if X20 be transferred to Chester. Lot of late runnings on southern section

The first X20 of the day starts from Sunderland too, i wonder if the late night and Sunday runs might link to another service (hopefully using a bus with the same specs)

(27 May 2020, 11:27 am)Michael wrote The first X20 of the day starts from Sunderland too, i wonder if the late night and Sunday runs might link to another service (hopefully using a bus with the same specs)

With first bus from Langley not long after

(27 May 2020, 11:22 am)Ambassador wrote Depends how many of those passengers are now going to travel or will be at home shielding. Let's be honest - if the route had that much demand it would survive. We're in a world where it's all about cash. It's like seeing reduced ranges in supermarkets and takeaways - cut the cloth to focus on making money to keep the business alive.

I have to say - I can't see me conceivably wanting to ever board a bus in the short to medium term and I'd imagine those of us with options of the car or resources for a taxi will be the same.

Does the Q1 not cover the diverted 25 or can passengers not make a shorter walking journey from Harlow Green to Durham Road to catch the X12, 21 or 28B?

One would argue that it's the lack of demand on the Harlow Green stretch (a significant drop in frequency and service for people here), hence diverting a much less-frequent existing service, rather than the lack of passengers departing at the QE.... maybe a case of "which route can we get away with diverting without causing the most noise"?! For obvious reasons the likes of the 56 and X1 couldn’t be diverted!

A dramatic drop in service for the people in those areas!

I wonder if the hourly 55 that terminates at Peterlee bus station, could divert between Easington Village and Peterlee bus station via the short 208 route, which will save 1 Solo?


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(27 May 2020, 10:58 am)JP6004 wrote 10 buses an hour from wrekenton to QE. One every 6mins, not a huge inconvenience

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I wonder if X20 be transferred to Chester. Lot of late runnings on southern section

What about getting back? Still involves two buses and Wrekenton isn't the nicest place to have to change. 
The connections coming back are painful. For all the buses between the QE and Wrekenton, having one which connects with the 25 isn't that easy. 
Depending on the time of day, it may be easier heading to Gateshead and picking something up from there. Ideally a 25, but more than likely a 21 and a hike up from Birtley. 

As for the X20, I did wonder if there was gonna be at least some Chester workings on an evening. Quite a bit of dead mileage, unless it somehow ties in with a 20

(27 May 2020, 11:39 am)Andreos1 wrote What about getting back? Still involves two buses and Wrekenton isn't the nicest place to have to change. 
The connections coming back are painful. For all the buses between the QE and Wrekenton, having one which connects with the 25 isn't that easy. 
Depending on the time of day, it may be easier heading to Gateshead and picking something up from there. Ideally a 25, but more than likely a 21 and a hike up from Birtley. 

As for the X20, I did wonder if there was gonna be at least some Chester workings on an evening. Quite a bit of dead mileage, unless it somehow ties in with a 20

Life isnt about the destination, its the journey 
Hmmm possible, not had a proper look. But if X6/X7 are now split from X20, I wonder if we will see a new Xline colour created

I would have suggested there was perhaps room for an enterprising independent to look at doing something perhaps just between schools - especially now we’re all running DDA compliant vehicles there is plenty of scope to try things at little cost. Of course I don’t see anyone starting anything in the current climate (my plans are on hold for sure) and by the time it’s going to be possible again will passengers have found another way to travel?

(27 May 2020, 10:23 am)streetdeckfan wrote There was definitely an 11 that went to Blackhall Mill, I used to get it to school. I vaguely remember it becoming the 10A around the time of the rebrand to TVT, although I could be mistaken

Pre 2013 the 10 ran every 20 minutes with single deckers between Hexham and Newcastle with the 11 running every 30 minutes between Prudhoe and Newcastle via Scotswood Road

When the double deckers were introduced, service 10 went down to every 30 minutes with service 10B being introduced every 30 minutes from Prudhoe to Newcastle via Metrocentre. Service 11 then went to Blackhall Mill to replace a different service.

Then service 11 was scrapped in 2016 and replaced by an extended 10A.

The X6/X7 will be stand alone services and not connected to the X20.
The X20 will be run by Deptford alone and wont be run by other depots.
No idea which vehicles will be used, only a few days till we find out i guess

(27 May 2020, 1:15 pm)N1cholas wrote The X6/X7 will be stand alone services and not connected to the X20.
The X20 will be run by Deptford alone and wont be run by other depots.
No idea which vehicles will be used, only a few days till we find out i guess

I would imagine, anything available (as long as it X-Lines specs) until a proper allocation can be sourced... my bet is still on the Red kite Streetlites been allocated, when they come free.

Can't wait for the proper timetable design to return, the current black and white ones are horrendous.

(27 May 2020, 1:15 pm)N1cholas wrote The X6/X7 will be stand alone services and not connected to the X20.
The X20 will be run by Deptford alone and wont be run by other depots.
No idea which vehicles will be used, only a few days till we find out i guess

Will Deptford be doing the X20 on a Sunday on the Durham west section?


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Glad they've finally got rid of the pointless 64 and 95 service. Shame that the night network is now down to one bus (when it returns).

(27 May 2020, 1:28 pm)Michael wrote I would imagine, anything available (as long as it X-Lines specs) until a proper allocation can be sourced... my bet is still on the Red kite Streetlites been allocated, when they come free.

Can't wait for the proper timetable design to return, the current black and white ones are horrendous.

The timetables will be straight off the timetabling software, and don’t think we’ll see a return to passenger friendly ones until things settle down and stop changing. It’s just not worth the hassle in designing them!

(27 May 2020, 2:24 pm)tyresmoke wrote The timetables will be straight off the timetabling software, and don’t think we’ll see a return to passenger friendly ones until things settle down and stop changing. It’s just not worth the hassle in designing them!

Defo not worth it, i don't think we will any proper timetable until at least August (sure that was when the pubs etc could open?), probables see more service changes by then too.

(27 May 2020, 12:43 pm)tyresmoke wrote I would have suggested there was perhaps room for an enterprising independent to look at doing something perhaps just between schools - especially now we’re all running DDA compliant vehicles there is plenty of scope to try things at little cost. Of course I don’t see anyone starting anything in the current climate (my plans are on hold for sure) and by the time it’s going to be possible again will passengers have found another way to travel?

I'd love that to happen. I'd love to see the services run on an evening to suit shifts and visiting hours too. 
To attract and grow, they're gonna have to make it frequent enough to attract punters away from GNE, (in addition to making some sort of network) and I can't see that happening, particularly with the lack of integration and multi-ticketing options.
OK did some work to/from/past the QE with a handful of services (including commercial stuff). I think those days are long-gone unfortunately and I can't see anyone being able to step up like they did.
A shame, because its the passengers who lose out, are inconvenienced and continue to make the modal switch away from public transport.

I'd have thought diverting a Q1/Q2 around Harlow Green or even sending the 93/94 that way would be a better option.

With the upcoming changes how much does the PVR drop, compared to the pre-coronavirus PVR? including the spare buses from the 56 and 60 due to their timetables reduced until demand comes back.

Andreos1
I'd love that to happen. I'd love to see the services run on an evening to suit shifts and visiting hours too. 
To attract and grow, they're gonna have to make it frequent enough to attract punters away from GNE, (in addition to making some sort of network) and I can't see that happening, particularly with the lack of integration and multi-ticketing options.
OK did some work to/from/past the QE with a handful of services (including commercial stuff). I think those days are long-gone unfortunately and I can't see anyone being able to step up like they did.
A shame, because its the passengers who lose out, are inconvenienced and continue to make the modal switch away from public transport.

I'd have thought diverting a Q1/Q2 around Harlow Green or even sending the 93/94 that way would be a better option.

You could of had the Q1/Q2 rather than going straight up/down Easedale Gardens do a loop around Harlow Green before coming back on Easedale Gardens and heading along to Beacon Lough Road/Wrekenton and it would've added around 5 minutes to the journey time, links of course on the main stretch of Low Fell would be lost but are within a few minutes walking distance from various stops along Kells Lane.

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(27 May 2020, 1:39 pm)cbma06 wrote Will Deptford be doing the X20 on a Sunday on the Durham west section?


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It's going to be running to Sunderland on a Sunday, so yes.

(27 May 2020, 5:00 pm)deanmachine wrote It's going to be running to Sunderland on a Sunday, so yes.

On the new X20 timetable it states the evening and Sunday journeys are only between Durham and Langley Park only, unless I’m reading it wrong, those short journeys might aswell be under service 14


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(27 May 2020, 5:08 pm)cbma06 wrote On the new X20 timetable it states the evening and Sunday journeys are only between Durham and Langley Park only, unless I’m reading it wrong, those short journeys might aswell be under service 14


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So it does, I was going by depot information, this might just be whilst quarantine is still happening, but our info does say a Sunday X20 service to replace the third 20 an hour.

(27 May 2020, 5:20 pm)deanmachine wrote So it does, I was going by depot information, this might just be whilst quarantine is still happening, but our info does say a Sunday X20 service to replace the third 20 an hour.

That's the 'longer term' plan (as well as evenings/Sundays on the 25).

For now we'll be running a Sunday service on a Saturday, and the current emergency timetables on a Sunday, until such a time that demand increases.