(19 Jan 2021, 6:08 pm)logidoodah wrote Yes that could work,

If it turns left to Slatyford lane (should be big enough to wait there), then it could turn right down Ullswater way, then Pooley rd, then Stamfordham rd (and wait there opposite the depot if Slatyford ln not suitable), as those bus tops are massive.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Silver...855202!3e0



Another way could be through the bottom of Blakelaw as no buses serve here and you have to walk up to Ponteland rd or down to Stamfordham rd which this would solve that problem. As well as give Half of Springfield rd an actual bus route.
Turn left after the Balloon, and continue past B&M etc.. then turn left up Binswood ave, turn right down Sunnyway, then back down Springfield rd to aline with Silver Lonnen.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Silver...855202!3e0

Both not a bad shout tbh. I've never used the 30/31 and don't really know the numbers around there but maybe another option could be to terminate them all at Whickham View and direct either the 1 or 11 along Silver Lonnen instead of through Slatyford. It's literally just the street across for most people and they both run to the same place pretty much. Otherwise they could do a loop with the going it's current route then instead of turning around comes back down through Silver Lonnen.

(19 Jan 2021, 6:13 pm)V514DFT wrote Could the 12 not be extended or re-routed  to meet up with the 30?

Be quite difficult for the 12, it uses deckers whereas the 30/31 are singles so you'd have to upgrade or downgrade one of them.

(19 Jan 2021, 7:05 pm)Storx wrote Both not a bad shout tbh. I've never used the 30/31 and don't really know the numbers around there but maybe another option could be to terminate them all at Whickham View and direct either the 1 or 11 along Silver Lonnen instead of through Slatyford. It's literally just the street across for most people and they both run to the same place pretty much. Otherwise they could do a loop with the going it's current route then instead of turning around comes back down through Silver Lonnen.


Be quite difficult for the 12, it uses deckers whereas the 30/31 are singles so you'd have to upgrade or downgrade one of them.

Thanks, however I think the 30 used to terminate at Whickham View a while back then they changed it to it's current location, at Netherby Drive.

I don't get the 1 much but I do get the 11 regulary and depending on the time of day depends how many customers there is i know at peak times pre covid there was quite a few still on the bus. So would either move the 1 to Silver Lonnen or something else, however the 1 terminates at Slatyford so probably best to keep it simply in Slatyford?

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(19 Jan 2021, 6:13 pm)V514DFT wrote Could the 12 not be extended or re-routed  to meet up with the 30?

They are also operated by different depots (30 Slatyford, 12 Walkergate), this would also mean that one of them would have to change deopts and buses "assigned" to them as 30's are normally singles and 12's are double deckers.

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if the 30/31 get upgraded to Double Deckers permantely because all I see on Sat/Sun/Holidays are Double Deckers on the 30's. Especially during Covid Times.

Realistically i dont think you could do away with the 36 then, do the 30/31/36 still form the loop?,cus if it does it would either have to stay,or be replaced with something else, also the DD/SD issue with the 12, i'd imagine a few services being ugraded in the coming years,the 12 being one of them, as the 58 Reg E400's are now at a similar,if not the same age as what the 57 Reg E400's were when they were moved elsewhere, and wasnt the 12 operated by single deckers once upon a time?, if this were an option all the 12 would have to do is turn right at the Blackett Street junction then pick up the current 36 from there,then from Wingrove Road its current route,then from the Roundabout by the Co-Op it turns right to head for Netherby Drive, the 36 is pretty much covered by the 63 along Fenham Hall Drive/Netherby Drive, so if thats true i'd revert the 63 back to its old route where it rejoins the 62 at Cowgate Morrisons, and have this proposed 64 do the current 63 along Fenham Hall Drive/Netherby Drive

(20 Jan 2021, 5:52 pm)V514DFT wrote Realistically i dont think you could do away with the 36 then, do the 30/31/36 still form the loop?,cus if it does it would either have to stay,or be replaced with something else, also the DD/SD issue with the 12, i'd imagine a few services being ugraded in the coming years,the 12 being one of them, as the 58 Reg E400's are now at a similar,if not the same age as what the 57 Reg E400's were when they were moved elsewhere, and wasnt the 12 operated by single deckers once upon a time?, if this were an option all the 12 would have to do is turn right at the Blackett Street junction then pick up the current 36 from there,then from Wingrove Road its current route,then from the Roundabout by the Co-Op it turns right to head for Netherby Drive, the 36 is pretty much covered by the 63 along Fenham Hall Drive/Netherby Drive, so if thats true i'd revert the 63 back to its old route where it rejoins the 62 at Cowgate Morrisons, and have this proposed 64 do the current 63 along Fenham Hall Drive/Netherby Drive

Yeah probably not unless another route covers it, I think the 30/31/36 will be upgraded in the coming years, Yes the 12 used to be singles,

if the 12 did do the 36 route what would cover the 12 route through

The 12 would stay as is to Blackett Street,it would only miss out St James and Walter Terrace,unless from the BBC it doubled on itself to run up Walter Terrace

(20 Jan 2021, 8:38 pm)V514DFT wrote The 12 would stay as is to Blackett Street,it would only miss out St James and Walter Terrace,unless from the BBC it doubled on itself to run up Walter Terrace

That could work however would take a while longer, and most people would see it unneccessary

(14 Jan 2021, 8:45 pm)toward6931 wrote i have heard rumor's of possibly 2 new routes in the stagecoach Newcastle area. the first is a 64 route which would run from west Denton shops to four lane ends which from the sound of it would run ten minutes ahead of current 62/63 services relieving the pressure from those routes especially during peak times. 

This would actually be needed in the near future as there is a lot of houses being built on the fields opposite Morrisons/social club in West Denton, and some a bit further down, so thwere will be even more customers and probably even more delays so the 64 will probably be needed.

They should never have binned the original 64,if it were to go ahead would it be a stand alone service

(21 Jan 2021, 12:37 am)V514DFT wrote They should never have binned the original 64,if it were to go ahead would it be a stand alone service

I think it depends on where it goes and if it is allocated Double Deckers or not.

An option would be for the No1 to continue all the way along Silver Lonnen, then left at Stamfordham Road or via Slatyford Lane to its normal route. You could maybe have a loop. 1 going clockwise and 1A going anti clockwise. 30/31 would terminate at Whickham View. Even without the 64 you wouldn’t need 36 then. You could just operate 62/63 via Spital Tongues.

(21 Jan 2021, 5:52 pm)Coastliner700 wrote An option would be for the No1 to continue all the way along Silver Lonnen, then left at Stamfordham Road or via Slatyford Lane to its normal route. You could maybe have a loop. 1 going clockwise and 1A going anti clockwise. 30/31 would terminate at Whickham View. Even without the 64 you wouldn’t need 36 then. You could just operate 62/63 via Spital Tongues.

Yeah good idea.

Its just a question of waiting and seeing,i suspect the rumor is exactly that,a rumor,its been years since Stagecoach Newcastle introduced any sort if new route,theyve chopped and changed and withdrawn routes,but never anything new, but tbh the 62/63 have struggled with the demand now for years,its rare you ever see em turn up on time,something does need doing about it

(22 Jan 2021, 1:40 am)V514DFT wrote Its just a question of waiting and seeing,i suspect the rumor is exactly that,a rumor,its been years since Stagecoach Newcastle introduced any sort if new route,theyve chopped and changed and withdrawn routes,but never anything new, but tbh the 62/63 have struggled with the demand now for years,its rare you ever see em turn up on time,something does need doing about it

too right

Was wondering if i could email Stagecoach myself and see if the rumors are true

I emailed Stagecoach last night,and they've said that the 64 and 73 arent happening and that there are no plans of introducing any new services, tbh i knew it was too good to be true

(02 Feb 2021, 2:56 pm)V514DFT wrote I emailed Stagecoach last night,and they've said that the 64 and 73 arent happening and that there are no plans of introducing any new services, tbh i knew it was too good to be true

that's abit disappointing, of all the rumor's I've heard them two made the most sense. especially the 64 to improve the reliability of the 62/63. alas not ours to reason why

(02 Feb 2021, 2:56 pm)V514DFT wrote I emailed Stagecoach last night,and they've said that the 64 and 73 arent happening and that there are no plans of introducing any new services, tbh i knew it was too good to be true

yeah I thought so too. at least we now have confirmation.

(03 Feb 2021, 11:19 am)logidoodah wrote yeah I thought so too. at least we now have confirmation.

Tbh, that kind of response sounds like corporate speak for 'no comment'

GNE had 'no plans' to extend the X21 to West Auckland despite me being told by several drivers that it was already confirmed, and then it happened

(03 Feb 2021, 11:28 am)streetdeckfan wrote Tbh, that kind of response sounds like corporate speak for 'no comment'

GNE had 'no plans' to extend the X21 to West Auckland despite me being told by several drivers that it was already confirmed, and then it happened

Just a simple case of 'never say never'

(03 Feb 2021, 11:28 am)streetdeckfan wrote Tbh, that kind of response sounds like corporate speak for 'no comment'

GNE had 'no plans' to extend the X21 to West Auckland despite me being told by several drivers that it was already confirmed, and then it happened

Maybe this has given them the idea for the future as I know they have tried lots of different solutions to 62/63 delay times which none seem to have a significant impact on reliability. Just more of a nuisance to passengers coz of changing times.
If these are just rumours that someone made up then at least they made conversation and the possibility for this route in the near future hopefully as it's needed. However if they did somehow come from corporate, I don't see the point in denying it/saying no comment surelyyou could just say we're thinking about it and/or get customer feedback on this route if it were to be introduced, when things get back to whatever normal will be.

(03 Feb 2021, 10:54 pm)logidoodah wrote Maybe this has given them the idea for the future as I know they have tried lots of different solutions to 62/63 delay times which none seem to have a significant impact on reliability. Just more of a nuisance to passengers coz of changing times.
If these are just rumours that someone made up then at least they made conversation and the possibility for this route in the near future hopefully as it's needed. However if they did somehow come from corporate, I don't see the point in denying it/saying no comment surelyyou could just say we're thinking about it and/or get customer feedback on this route if it were to be introduced, when things get back to whatever normal will be.

Because if they say they're thinking about it, then don't do it, it'll look bad on them for choosing not to improve services, with people probably thinking it's down to money.

Whereas if they deny it ever being a thing, then decide not to do it, nobody will be the wiser, but if they do turn around and do it, then people will think they managed to change the company's mind even though it was going to happen regardless

(03 Feb 2021, 11:16 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Because if they say they're thinking about it, then don't do it, it'll look bad on them for choosing not to improve services, with people probably thinking it's down to money.

Whereas if they deny it ever being a thing, then decide not to do it, nobody will be the wiser, but if they do turn around and do it, then people will think they managed to change the company's mind even though it was going to happen regardless

yeah good point

Had a rethink on possible Hartlepool services depending on if they get busy again when things get back to normal and summer services.

1 1A 1B

1 As now 30 Minutes between Middlesbrough and High Tunstall. But to help with timing will no longer serve Warrior Park and instead use full Length of Elizabeth Way both ways. See in Seaton it would be Elizabeth Way then Bus Station before continuing to Middlesbrough. Some Journeys towards Seaton will also serve the Interchange. Some evening journeys will return over the summer months reverting to a 6 Pm finish over winter.

1A Will run in conjunction with the 1 between High Tunstall and Seaton Carew providing a 15 minute service. It would Serve Wiltshire Way instead of Throston Grange Lane and Warrior Park with all journeys Terminating at Seaton Carew Bus Station. All Journeys would serve the Interchange. This will be a Monday - Saturday Daytime only.

1B will operate Evenings and Sundays only. It will operate between Throston Grange - Seaton Carew via Service 1 Route to Town Centre and 1A route in Seaton Carew.

2 3 3A

2 Bishop Cuthbert - Seaton Carew

Service 2 will follow service 3 route to Town Centre but operate via Chatham Road instead of Challoner Road. It will then operate via Service 1 route to Seaton Carew adding an additional service for Teesbay Retail park. Will operate every 30 minutes providing a 15 minute frequency between Bishop Cuthbert and the Town Centre. Would inter work with service 3 at Bishop Cuthbert. This will be a daytime service only. Will operate hourly on Sundays.

Service 3 As now but will return to a 30 minute service interworking with service 2.

Service 3A current service will end but 3A will continue as an evening and Sunday service between Bishop Cuthbert and Owton Manor where it will operate a one way loop of Wynyard Road, Owton Manor Lane and Kilmarnock Road.

Service 4 and 5

Service 4 will return as a Monday - Saturday daytime service between Hart Station and Owton Manor via the Marina and Interchange. It will also operate via Milbank Road and operate the current 3A route from the town Centre. Will interwork with service 5 at Owton Manor. This will operate every 30 minutes Monday - Saturday daytime and hourly on Sunday daytimes.

Service 5 Will operate between Owton Manor and Navigation Point. From Owton Manor it will operate the service 6 route from Owton Manor to the town Centre before operating via Park Road, Huckleoveren Way and Church Street serving the college of Northern Art. Return Journeys will operate via Maritime Avenue instead of Church Street and Tower Street Church Square and Victoria Road instead of Park Road. Service 5 will operate every 30 minutes on a Monday - Saturday Daytime only.

Services 6 7

Service 6 as now but full length Evening Journeys will return.

Service 7 will continue as now.

Since the 22 has proved successful heres some crazy suggestions,but could work if done correctly
12-Cobalt,via Wallsend Metro,High Street East,Tynemouth Road,Ridley Avenue,Coniston Road,Hadrian Park,Middle Engine Lane,Cobalt
40-Cobalt/Silverlink via Wallsend Metro,Station Road,Mullen Road,Battle Hill,Hadrian Park,Middle Engine Lane,Silverlink,Cobalt

The 40 could be a problem extending to cobalt, it has enough trouble keeping to time on the current route and I wouldn't see the need if you can change at wallsend anyway

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I'd love to see an X62. Works the same way as the X63 instead this one goes via Byker Chillingham Road Four Lane Ends and straight down to the Quorm to meet up with the X63 but instead serve West Bailey then East Bailey

Sunderland Division:
Extend the 16 From Hastings Hill to Washington, Competing with GNE 2/2A.
Extend the 23 to Seaburn Morrisions i.e like old 24.

South Shields Division:
Extend 17 to Boldon ASDA, might get a few pax away from GNE 5 & 50.
New Service 18A: South Shields - Westoe - Chichester - South Tyneside Hospital - Simonside - Brockley Whins - Low Simonside (replacing 10 & 11) - York Avenue - Jarrow - Hebburn - Monkton Lane.

Newcastle Division:
New Service X64: Newcastle - South Gosforth - Longbenton - Four Lane Ends - Killingworth - Benton ASDA - Northumberland Park.
Extend 12 From Wallsend to Hadrian Park via Rosehill and High Farm.

Would Stagecoach ever venture to Callerton again? Blue Bus Services used to run a 74A to Callerton years ago. They run the 685 with Arriva to Hexham, could they run from Westerhope via Callerton to Hexham? GNE could extend the 74 to Newbrough and curtail the X85 at Hexham as it used to be, to maintain a unique section. Or run the 74 to Consett? Adds 1 bus to PVR, but could work. Stagecoach might also gain passengers to Callerton and Hexham?

(29 Apr 2021, 10:04 am)Micheal Aaron wrote I'd love to see an X62. Works the same way as the X63 instead this one goes via Byker Chillingham Road Four Lane Ends and straight down to the Quorm to meet up with the X63 but instead serve West Bailey then East Bailey

Even if the X62 only served certain stops it wouldn't be much different journey time, so not much of a 'express'   journey.

Perhaps do something like this;
X62 - current X63 route but follow 62 round East then West Bailey (LIKE THIS)
X63 - Current route to Gosforth roundabout then like THIS

However I don't think there would be enough demand for both express services potentially at peak times but definetly not thourgh the day/evening as the X63 is already pretty empty other than being packed at peaks.

Service X35

Newcastle Pilgrim Street
Gateshead
Boldon ASDA
Boldon
Non stop
ST hospital
Chichester metro
South Shields interchange


This service should take 37 minutes according to maps however with stopping would probably take 40-45 minutes and will be limited atop only calling at the following:
Newcastle Pilgrim Street
Gateshead high Street
Boldon Asda
New Road-Earnest Street
New Street School
South Tyneside Hospital
Chichester metro Station
South Shields interchange

This would be a good service to rival the GNE 27 & T&W metro

This service would run every 20 minutes and will be allocated volvo B8RLE plaxton LEs with a PVR of 4-6 (I think)

Here is the route on maps including it's stops

https://maps.app.goo.gl/F2oNyHxbA7CwL2KcA