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(21 Mar 2019, 8:21 pm)citaro5284 wrote None in passenger service yet.....15th May is the start date for services between London and Leeds/Hull
(21 Mar 2019, 8:28 pm)Malarkey wrote Thanks, So basically LNER will be phasing them in which will mean those used for London and Newcastle/Edinburgh services will be at a later date than 15th May.
(21 Mar 2019, 8:34 pm)Andreos1 wrote Might not even by the end of the year.
Gonna be working the Yorkshire routes first, before they get further north.
Imagine it's a similar process to the class 91 introduction.
https://www.railpro.co.uk/news/firstgrou...-edinburgh
Looks like the open access from First is going ahead.
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(12 Jun 2021, 10:44 am)Andreos1 wrote Two consultations ahead of May 2022 timetable changes.XC published one yesterday too...
https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/about-us/our...nsultation
https://lner.citizenspace.com/
(12 Jun 2021, 10:52 am)citaro5284 wrote XC published one yesterday too...I pity all the civil servants moving up to Darlington - London trains reduced from 4 per 2 hours to 3 per 2 hours, and one of the Manchester trains withdrawn completely!
https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/med...VoCJtOXtOo
(12 Jun 2021, 12:47 pm)busmanT wrote I pity all the civil servants moving up to Darlington - London trains reduced from 4 per 2 hours to 3 per 2 hours, and one of the Manchester trains withdrawn completely!
Darlington to York drops from 6 trains per hour to 4.5 trains per hour (33% cut).
(12 Jun 2021, 1:46 pm)citaro5284 wrote
I see in the TPE document it is more or less saying, well these changes are nowt to do with us...blame LNER, followed by a long list of curtailed or cancelled services because of it....
At the May 2022 timetable change the core timetable for the East Coast Main Line will be amended to accommodate additional services operated by LNER.
The through Edinburgh Waverley – Morpeth – Newcastle – Liverpool Lime Street via York hourly service will be withdrawn between Edinburgh – Newcastle and will only operate between Newcastle – Liverpool Lime Street
The planned one-year only withdrawal at December 2019 to calls between Manchester Victoria – Manchester Airport on the Newcastle – Manchester Airport service will continue. However, the Newcastle – York portion of this train will also be withdrawn at May 2022. The effect is that the previous Newcastle – Manchester Airport service is reduced to a York – Manchester Victoria service at May 2022
The effect of the two changes above is that there will be a reduction from two trains per hour to one train per hour operated by TransPennine Express between Newcastle, Durham and Darlington to York, Leeds, Huddersfield and Manchester
Morpeth will have a reduction in calls and connectivity compared with the December 2019 timetable, seeing previous hourly calls to Edinburgh Waverley, Newcastle, Durham, Darlington, York, Leeds, Huddersfield, Manchester and Liverpool withdrawn
A number of southbound calls in the current Redcar Central – Manchester Airport service at Northallerton have been withdrawn, providing a call every two hours
The dwell time of the current Redcar Central – Manchester Airport service at York has been increased to circa six minutes, increasing the overall through journey time
A reduction from two calls per hour to one call per hour at Darlington and Durham by our services. In addition, Darlington and Durham will have their direct trains to Manchester Airport withdrawn, while the number of services between Darlington to Newcastle and Edinburgh Waverley are also reduced
The peak time 0651 train from Newcastle – Manchester/Liverpool has its journey time increased by 10 minutes and the call in this service at Chester-le-Street is withdrawn
Calls at Garforth currently made by TransPennine Express are transferred to the Northern operated York – Blackpool North service, meaning there are no direct trains from Garforth to Manchester
Connectivity to Manchester Airport from York, Leeds and Huddersfield is reduced from two trains per hour to one train per hour
(12 Jun 2021, 2:11 pm)Andreos1 wrote Also of note (but barely mentioned), is the new open access route.
That is obviously having an impact on track space.
Dunno if anyone noticed, but it looks like the LNER Sunderland extension is disappearing too.
(12 Jun 2021, 12:47 pm)busmanT wrote I pity all the civil servants moving up to Darlington - London trains reduced from 4 per 2 hours to 3 per 2 hours, and one of the Manchester trains withdrawn completely!It seems as though the implementation of the new timetable has been delayed by a year or more due to the outcry at the proposals which are mainly just to allow LNER to get to Edinburgh 15 minutes faster than they do now.
Darlington to York drops from 6 trains per hour to 4.5 trains per hour (33% cut).
(12 Sep 2021, 7:25 am)IRHardy wrote It seems as though the implementation of the new timetable has been delayed by a year or more due to the outcry at the proposals which are mainly just to allow LNER to get to Edinburgh 15 minutes faster than they do now.That's due to no upgrade of OLE north of Newcastle. Still... There ain't enough juice..
(17 Dec 2021, 12:27 pm)Andreos1 wrote https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-59696134
Push to re-open Consett rail link and connect with ECML.
(17 Dec 2021, 1:22 pm)Adrian wrote Sounds like the congestion-busting buses of North West Durham aren't doing it for Dicky.
In seriousness, and whilst I can't see either happening, the Annfield Plain/Stanley route is probably the better option, but you then hit the hurdle of how many paths they're likely to be given on the ECML, where it would join around Birtley. It's already over-congested with no light at the end of the tunnel, thanks to the Tories already kicking the much more widely-supported Leamside reopening into the long grass. That of course impacts the likely frequency along the line.
The frequency can of course reduce any benefits gained from journey time, but I'd be interested in what they'd anticipate as a journey time between Consett and Newcastle. Whilst the X70/X71 aren't exactly the quickest routes, I think we'd see them become a lot quicker faced with competition from a train.
I just can't see the business case stacking up here, and I think its nothing more than a token gesture from the politicians.
(17 Dec 2021, 6:49 pm)Storx wrote Pie in the sky idea and there's no economic reason to build it either. There's other towns in the North East which are much higher priority Washington for example or the West End of Newcastle or South side of Sunderland both which would offer a much better return for not much difference in costs since it's just building a new line. Other than Stanley, there's nothing between Consett and Newcastle.Absolutely, and the B&T project has been watered down already, no relaying and bed work, so speeds are going to be slower than claimed as well.
I live near the B&T line and the only reason that works is because the line already exists so it's easier and much much cheaper to do.
(19 Jun 2022, 9:30 am)Andreos1 wrote https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2022-...nt-support
New station for Ferryhill?
(19 Jun 2022, 11:37 am)Adrian wrote I'm not convinced how successful it'll be, without it being part of a reopened Leamside line. Other than maybe diverting the existing two morning Northern services that already run the ECML, they're very unlikely to get a regular service pattern heading North.I think there's mention of it working in sync with the Stillington Line. Maybe Northern Connect (if/when that ever appears) and TPX would be the main players.
