Washington service suggestions instead of bogging the other thread:

56 split, unsure on number:
R1 - 56 (every 30 mins)
R2 - 56 (every 30 mins) Sunderland to Concord, 84/85 loop clockwise as far as Washington
R3 - 56 (every 30 mins) Newcastle to Concord, 84/85 loop anticlockwise as far as Washington

X1 - Current route (every hour) to Peterlee as is
X2 - Current route (every hour) to Peterlee via Murton loop, Dalton Park, direct A19
X3 - Current route (every 30 minutes) as far as Newbottle then 35 route to Low Moorsley (every 30 minutes)
X4 - Current route (every 30 minutes) as far as Washington then 4 route to Houghton Le Spring
35 - Extended to South Hetton every 30 minutes via X1 route from Newbottle interworking with X1/X2 to provide 15 minute service
4 - Current 4 every 30 minutes (interworking with X4 15 minutes between Washington and Houghton)
4A - Current 4 every 30 minutes as far as Washington, remainder of 84 loop.
8 - Additionally serve 83 route between A1231 and Washington

Combined corridors
R1/R2 - Every 15 Minutes
R1/R3 - Every 15 Minutes
X1/X2/35 - Every 15 Minutes
X1/X2/X3 - Every 15 Minutes
4/X4 - Every 15 Minutes
4/4A - Every 15 Minutes

61A extension, 83/84/85 withdrawn.

(27 Jul 2022, 6:08 pm)Storx wrote Add a start and end destination and then do loads of via points where you want the route to go basically and fiddle about until you get it right.

Thanks that will help me with work

Re-Do of Sunderland Network, Peterlee Network, Washington Network. 

Sunderland Changes
2/2A - Split between Silksworth and Washington, each terminating at Sunderland. 

42/43 - Every 12 Mins, 3x 42, 2x 43. 
42 - Sunderland Park Lane Stand C - Grangetown - Silksworth -
43 - Sunderland Park Land Stand C - Grangetown - Leechmere Asda - Silksworth 
* It does the current route on Homeside one way towards Sunderland, then leaving Park lane on A1231 to Toward Road

2A/2B/2C Sunderland to Washington (every 10 mins combined)
2A - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Thorney Close - Tay Road - Grindon - Hastings Hill - Washington 
2B - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Hylton Road - Pennywell - Washington 
2C - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Barmston - Washington 
35 
Extension to Doxford Park (remove the Royal Hospital part of the route)

37/38/39 Pennywell - Doxford Park 
37 - Pennywell - Springwell - East Herrington - Doxford Park - Hall Farm - Tunstall Bank - Ryhope - Queen Alexandra Road - Sunderland - Millfield - Ford Estate - Pennywell (every 15 mins)
38 - Pennywell - Ford Estate - Milfield - Sunderland - Queen Alexandria Road - Ryhope - Tunstall Bank - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - East Herrington - Springwell - Pennywell (every 15 mins)
39 Sunderland - 33 Route to Silksworth - Doxford - Farringdon - Thorney - A690 - Hospital - Sunderland (every 20 mins)
40 - Sunderland - Hospital - A690 - Thorney - Farringdon - Doxford - 33 Route to Sunderland - Sunderland (every 20 mins) 
X56 - Sunderland - A690 - Doxford Park - 39B Washington - Follingsby - Heworth - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)

Peterlee Changes 

61/61A - Sunderland - A690 - Queen Alexandria Road - Leechmere Asda - Hollicarside - New Seaham - Murton - Easington - Haswell (61) - Shotton - (61) - South Hetton (61A) - Bracket Hill  - Peterlee Bus Station - 61 (209 route) 61A (210 Route). 
X6 Sunderland - Seaham - Dalton Park - Peterlee - Shotton - Bowburn (amazon) - Durham every 30 mins 
X2 Wingate - Peterlee - Easington Village - South Hetton - Easington lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins) 

Washington Changes

X1/X2/X3/X4/X5 Combined every 10 mins
X1 - Easington Lane - Hetton - Houghton - Waterview Park - Washington - Gateshead Newcastle Newcastle (every 60 mins)
X2 - Wingate - Peterlee - Easington Village - South Hetton - Easington lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
X3 - Seaham - Dalton Park - Easington Lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins) 
X4 - Easington Lane - Hetton - Rainton - Bournmoor - Washington - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
X5 - Easington - Hetton - Houghton - Oxclose - Washington - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)

56/56A every 15 mins combined
56 - Sunderland - High Southwick - Rehouse - Townend Farm - Nissan - Concord - Usworth - Follingsby (continue as the 58 route) reduce the 58 to every 30 mins. - Eldon Square
56A - Sunderland - Southwick - Hylton Castle - Hertburn - Donwell - Springwell - QE - Gateshead - Newcastle Eldon Square

I thought I'd posted these. Maybe it wasn't in this thread. Or maybe I just didn't post it at all!

Anyway. To take in to account changing travel patterns, the need to get cars off the road and the fact that key employment sites don't have a decent level of public transport, a revision to key services at key times of the day.
Services will run with a suffix following on from their number.
X - Peak time variation of a route.
D - day time variation of a route.
N - evening variation of a route.

 Example 1:  
27X - South Shields to Newcastle via Tyne Dock, Jarrow, Hebburn, Monkton Business Park, Follingsby, Heworth, Felling Bypass, Gateshead, Newcastle.
27D - current route.

Example 2:
61X - Seaham, A19, Doxford Park, Sunderland. 
61D - current route. 
61N - Seaham, A19, Nissan, Follingsby, Heworth. 

Example 3:
50X - Durham, Abbey Road/Arnison Centre, Chester, A1, Galleries, Waterview Park, Boldon Business Park, Boldon, Tyne Dock, South Shields
50D - current route. 
50N - Chester le Street, Portobello, Rolls Royce/BAE, Crowther, Galleries, Biddick, Waterview Park (for Asda) , Nissan, Castletown. 

The D services will run during the peaks, but at a lower frequency. This will allow driver and vehicle resource to be used effectively to meet the demands passengers actually have during peaks and on an evening/night. 

These are just base ideas. I'm sure there are many more examples or suggestions of an operator looking to adapt a route to suit the flows or patterns across the course of a day and in to the night.

(01 Aug 2022, 11:11 am)Andreos1 wrote I thought I'd posted these. Maybe it wasn't in this thread. Or maybe I just didn't post it at all!

Anyway. To take in to account changing travel patterns, the need to get cars off the road and the fact that key employment sites don't have a decent level of public transport, a revision to key services at key times of the day.
Services will run with a suffix following on from their number.
X - Peak time variation of a route.
D - day time variation of a route.
N - evening variation of a route.

 Example 1:  
27X - South Shields to Newcastle via Tyne Dock, Jarrow, Hebburn, Monkton Business Park, Follingsby, Heworth, Felling Bypass, Gateshead, Newcastle.
27D - current route.

Example 2:
61X - Seaham, A19, Doxford Park, Sunderland. 
61D - current route. 
61N - Seaham, A19, Nissan, Follingsby, Heworth. 

Example 3:
50X - Durham, Abbey Road/Arnison Centre, Chester, A1, Galleries, Waterview Park, Boldon Business Park, Boldon, Tyne Dock, South Shields
50D - current route. 
50N - Chester le Street, Portobello, Rolls Royce/BAE, Crowther, Galleries, Biddick, Waterview Park (for Asda) , Nissan, Castletown. 

The D services will run during the peaks, but at a lower frequency. This will allow driver and vehicle resource to be used effectively to meet the demands passengers actually have during peaks and on an evening/night. 

These are just base ideas. I'm sure there are many more examples or suggestions of an operator looking to adapt a route to suit the flows or patterns across the course of a day and in to the night.

Would the 61X be an extra service? or running off the back of the 61D?

(01 Aug 2022, 11:35 am)Unber43 wrote Would the 61X be an extra service? or running off the back of the 61D?

I reckon there could be a number of options.
A unit set up to operate these routes.
It could be ran separately prior to dropping on to and off other routes. 
It could run off the 61D.
Or, it could work on/off scholars.

(01 Aug 2022, 11:11 am)Andreos1 wrote I thought I'd posted these. Maybe it wasn't in this thread. Or maybe I just didn't post it at all!

Anyway. To take in to account changing travel patterns, the need to get cars off the road and the fact that key employment sites don't have a decent level of public transport, a revision to key services at key times of the day.
Services will run with a suffix following on from their number.
X - Peak time variation of a route.
D - day time variation of a route.
N - evening variation of a route.

 Example 1:  
27X - South Shields to Newcastle via Tyne Dock, Jarrow, Hebburn, Monkton Business Park, Follingsby, Heworth, Felling Bypass, Gateshead, Newcastle.
27D - current route.

Example 2:
61X - Seaham, A19, Doxford Park, Sunderland. 
61D - current route. 
61N - Seaham, A19, Nissan, Follingsby, Heworth. 

Example 3:
50X - Durham, Abbey Road/Arnison Centre, Chester, A1, Galleries, Waterview Park, Boldon Business Park, Boldon, Tyne Dock, South Shields
50D - current route. 
50N - Chester le Street, Portobello, Rolls Royce/BAE, Crowther, Galleries, Biddick, Waterview Park (for Asda) , Nissan, Castletown. 

The D services will run during the peaks, but at a lower frequency. This will allow driver and vehicle resource to be used effectively to meet the demands passengers actually have during peaks and on an evening/night. 

These are just base ideas. I'm sure there are many more examples or suggestions of an operator looking to adapt a route to suit the flows or patterns across the course of a day and in to the night.

See personally I think they should make a workers network and interwork them with the local network to run peak services and actually advertise it rather than it being stupid numbers like 939.

Like for Team Valley

21 Every 15 Minutes All Day, 30 Mins to Durham

Morning Peak Only (Every 15 Minutes)
W91 - Newcastle - Team Valley Direct (First buses from Percy Main area maybe, possible 311 replacement?)
-- Run Empty --
21 - The Angel - Newcastle
(Repeat)

-- Do something else, maybe local services to Team Valley Retail World or add capacity to services like the 41/41A/311 etc --

Evening Peak Only (Every 15 Minutes)
21 - Newcastle - The Angel
-- Run Empty --
W91 - Team Valley - Newcastle Direct (Last runs returning to same place as above, possible 311 replacement?)
(Repeat)

It means there's a quick link to Team Valley and the core of the 21 get's a journey every 7.5 minutes when its needed rather than having buses running around empty all day.

Most the main employment sites are oddly quite close to core routes which are busy in one direction at peaks

Doxford Park (2/39/39A)
Cobalt (309/310/311)
Team Valley (21)
Follingsby (58)

or have local services around which don't really need that much morning capacity in particular away from the big city they serve which they could easily drop onto to give pensioners a better service.

Doxford Park (39B/82/84/85)
Cobalt (335/342/W1/W2)
Team Valley (25/28/29/67/69)
Follingsby (-)

Seems less confusing to me than variants.

Perhaps GNE should look at reintroducing the old minilink route in Washington that had the W4 going through Donwell estate. It would only add a few minutes to the 85 route and it may help bring back a few customers. The recently axed 23, funded by Nexus, went through the estate and it was popular. Or at least was popular until Gateshead Central Taxis started to run an unreliable service and poeple gave up using it.

The old W4 used to pick up quite a few passengers in the estate. GNE in its wisdom scrapped this part of the route when bus services were "consolidated" in the 00s. Donwell also has a larger than average number of older residents so it will also be helpful to people who have mobility issues. It doesn't have to be every 85 that would serve the estate. Perhaps one per hour could run as the 85A and go through the estate.

(01 Aug 2022, 3:52 pm)Robbie64 wrote Perhaps GNE should look at reintroducing the old minilink route in Washington that had the W4 going through Donwell estate. It would only add a few minutes to the 85 route and it may help bring back a few customers. The recently axed 23, funded by Nexus, went through the estate and it was popular. Or at least was popular until Gateshead Central Taxis started to run an unreliable service and poeple gave up using it.

The old W4 used to pick up quite a few passengers in the estate. GNE in its wisdom scrapped this part of the route when bus services were "consolidated" in the 00s. Donwell also has a larger than average number of older residents so it will also be helpful to people who have mobility issues. It doesn't have to be every 85 that would serve the estate. Perhaps one per hour could run as the 85A and go through the estate.

I hear you, im 29,and when growing up,i remember being able to get a bus virtually anywhere,but sadly i think those times are long gone

Now boldon hasnt got a bus to heworth well nexus 558 thats it but i remember the old 26 blackcats to heworth from sunderland

(01 Aug 2022, 8:00 pm)V514DFT wrote I hear you, im 29,and when growing up,i remember being able to get a bus virtually anywhere,but sadly i think those times are long gone

I'm twice your age (literally!) and can remember when buses really did go everywhere. That was back in the 1970s and 1980s when there was still a rush hour and pits etc open with people travelling all over on public transport to go to work. Even in the early 00s there were still lots of bus services and there were a number of bus companies that ran services in Washington, not just GNE. The other companies were either bought out or closed down. Then in 2006 GNE decided to overhaul its bus network and took away many of the individual services after some consultation exercise with an outisde organisation. Consolidation they termed it. I would call it cutting services!

I can't actually see passenger numbers coming back or at least back in decent numbers. Work patterns have changed and people now just don't want to rely on a patchy bus service if they have an early strt or a late finish. Plus people don't even seem to want to use buses for leisure travel, especially on an evening.

(01 Aug 2022, 11:53 am)Storx wrote See personally I think they should make a workers network and interwork them with the local network to run peak services and actually advertise it rather than it being stupid numbers like 939.

Like for Team Valley

21 Every 15 Minutes All Day, 30 Mins to Durham

Morning Peak Only (Every 15 Minutes)
W91 - Newcastle - Team Valley Direct (First buses from Percy Main area maybe, possible 311 replacement?)
-- Run Empty --
21 - The Angel - Newcastle
(Repeat)

-- Do something else, maybe local services to Team Valley Retail World or add capacity to services like the 41/41A/311 etc --

Evening Peak Only (Every 15 Minutes)
21 - Newcastle - The Angel
-- Run Empty --
W91 - Team Valley - Newcastle Direct (Last runs returning to same place as above, possible 311 replacement?)
(Repeat)

It means there's a quick link to Team Valley and the core of the 21 get's a journey every 7.5 minutes when its needed rather than having buses running around empty all day.

Most the main employment sites are oddly quite close to core routes which are busy in one direction at peaks

Doxford Park (2/39/39A)
Cobalt (309/310/311)
Team Valley (21)
Follingsby (58)

or have local services around which don't really need that much morning capacity in particular away from the big city they serve which they could easily drop onto to give pensioners a better service.

Doxford Park (39B/82/84/85)
Cobalt (335/342/W1/W2)
Team Valley (25/28/29/67/69)
Follingsby (-)

Seems less confusing to me than variants.

Either or. Just something which is different to what we have now. That clearly doesn't work.

I saw MG enter in to a conversation recently on twitter with someone and the question about buses to Team Valley was brought up.
It may have been accidental or deliberate, but there was no reply at all from him when the poster responded to a MG question and told MG they were travelling between Portmeads and Team Valley.

Sport, leisure, employment - it's as though there's just no ability within the minds of these operators that there's more to it, than just having a stream of services going to and from city or town centres.

(28 Jul 2022, 10:33 pm)Unber43 wrote Re-Do of Sunderland Network, Peterlee Network, Washington Network. 

Sunderland Changes
2/2A - Split between Silksworth and Washington, each terminating at Sunderland. 

42/43 - Every 12 Mins, 3x 42, 2x 43. 
42 - Sunderland Park Lane Stand C - Grangetown - Silksworth -
43 - Sunderland Park Land Stand C - Grangetown - Leechmere Asda - Silksworth 
* It does the current route on Homeside one way towards Sunderland, then leaving Park lane on A1231 to Toward Road

2A/2B/2C Sunderland to Washington (every 10 mins combined)
2A - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Thorney Close - Tay Road - Grindon - Hastings Hill - Washington 
2B - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Hylton Road - Pennywell - Washington 
2C - Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Barmston - Washington 
35  - Extension to Doxford Park (removal of the Royal Hospital part of the route)

37/38/39 Pennywell - Doxford Park 
37 - Pennywell - Springwell - East Herrington - Doxford Park - Hall Farm - Tunstall Bank - Ryhope - Queen Alexandra Road - Sunderland - Millfield - Ford Estate - Pennywell (every 15 mins)
38 - Pennywell - Ford Estate - Milfield - Sunderland - Queen Alexandria Road - Ryhope - Tunstall Bank - Hall Farm - Doxford Park - East Herrington - Springwell - Pennywell (every 15 mins)
39 Sunderland - 33 Route to Silksworth - Doxford - Farringdon - Thorney - A690 - Hospital - Sunderland (every 20 mins)
40 - Sunderland - Hospital - A690 - Thorney - Farringdon - Doxford - 33 Route to Sunderland - Sunderland (every 20 mins) 
X56 - Sunderland - A690 - Doxford Park - 39B Washington - Follingsby - Heworth - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)

Peterlee Changes 

61/61A - Sunderland - A690 - Queen Alexandria Road - Leechmere Asda - Hollicarside - New Seaham - Murton - Easington - Haswell (61) - Shotton - (61) - South Hetton (61A) - Bracket Hill  - Peterlee Bus Station - 61 (209 route) 61A (210 Route). 
X6 Sunderland - Seaham - Dalton Park - Peterlee - Shotton - Bowburn (amazon) - Durham every 30 mins 
X2 Wingate - Peterlee - Easington Village - South Hetton - Easington lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins) 

Washington Changes

X1/X2/X3/X4/X5 Combined every 10 mins
X1 - Easington Lane - Hetton - Houghton - Waterview Park - Washington - Gateshead Newcastle Newcastle (every 60 mins)
X2 - Wingate - Peterlee - Easington Village - South Hetton - Easington lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 30 mins)
X3 - Seaham - Dalton Park - Easington Lane - Hetton - Houghton - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins) 
X4 - Easington Lane - Hetton - Rainton - Bournmoor - Washington - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)
X5 - Easington - Hetton - Houghton - Oxclose - Washington - Gateshead - Newcastle (every 60 mins)

56/56A every 15 mins combined
56 - Sunderland - High Southwick - Rehouse - Townend Farm - Nissan - Concord - Usworth - Follingsby (continue as the 58 route) reduce the 58 to every 30 mins. - Eldon Square
56A - Sunderland - Southwick - Hylton Castle - Hertburn - Donwell - Springwell - QE - Gateshead - Newcastle Eldon Square

PVR on X1-X5 would be covered by the spare Streetdecks which are now free.

(04 Aug 2022, 1:07 pm)Unber43 wrote PVR on X1-X5 would be covered by the spare Streetdecks which are now free.

With these proposed new services , where would all these extra drivers coming from?, pvr on existing bus services have been reduced to no drivers available, and once the government money runs out there’s going to be more of an impact of bus services reduced and axed, making the last few months of bus changes seem like a Sunday picnic


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I'm only going to propose a hourly service here because of driver shortages.

New Service 80:
Newcastle Eldon Square
Newcastle Central Station
Team Valley North End
Team Valley Retail World
Team Valley South End
Birtley Northside Estate
Birtley Station Lane
Barley Mow Dorset Avenue
Ayton Dunnock Drive
Lambton Village Centre
Washington Galleries

Pros
Would Replace 91 Between Newcastle & Team Valley
Would Replace 82A Birtley - Washington
Would Replace TB14 Birtley - Northside
Would Provide Direct Links from Washington, Barley Mow & Birtley to Team Valley.
Would Operate With a PVR of 2.

This is a revision of my earlier post (#2,445)

New Service 80 (Every 30 Mins)
Newcastle, Team Valley, Birtley, Barley Mow, Ayton, Lambton, The Galleries, Biddick, Fallowfield Way, Fatfield Bridge, A182, Shiney Row, Success, Fence Houses, Rainton Bridge, Hetton Park Estate, Easington Lane 

New Service 80A (Hourly)
Newcastle, Team Valley, Northside Estate, Birtley, Barley Mow, Ayton, Lambton, The Galleries, Washington Village, Barmston Court, Barmston (Waskerley Road), Peel, Cherry Blossom Way, Sulgrave (Station Road), Concord

New Service 80B (Hourly)
Newcastle, Team Valley, Kibblesworth, Birtley, Barley Mow, Ayton, Lambton, The Galleries, Washington Village, Barmston Court, Barmston (Waskerley Road), Peel, Cherry Blossom Way, Sulgrave (Station Road), Concord

I'm not 100% sure on vehicle allocation and any suggestions would be welcome. 
Please note the total PVR of all three is 12.

I think GNE should extend the 20 through Farringdon, Thorney on the A690 to give the X20 more of an express feel, as I always thought the X20 only took 40 mins, however It actually takes 50 mins and the 20 takes 59 mins, not really that much of an express between Sunderland & Durham

(11 Aug 2022, 9:31 pm)Unber43 wrote I think GNE should extend the 20 through Farringdon, Thorney on the A690 to give the X20 more of an express feel, as I always thought the X20 only took 40 mins, however It actually takes 50 mins and the 20 takes 59 mins, not really that much of an express between Sunderland & Durham

Wont be long and the X20 will probably get scrapped with the 20 extended to Langley park every 30 mins as a 20A also running via rainton bridge to save the complaints, seems pointless having so many buses on the same corridor to Durham

(11 Aug 2022, 9:47 pm)N1cholas wrote Wont be long and the X20 will probably get scrapped with the 20 extended to Langley park every 30 mins as a 20A also running via rainton bridge to save the complaints, seems pointless having so many buses on the same corridor to Durham

I can't see the X20 getting scraped.

However what I would like to see is the 20 being moved up to either 10/12 mins and being sent via either side of the A690 to provide better links to Durham

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I would love a 65 extension upto Langley Park I feel like the Livery would suit it. 

X20/65 hourly extension or every 20 mins.

On Sundays Extend the 50 to Sunderland via Whitburn & Seaburn.

(14 Aug 2022, 3:00 pm)Unber43 wrote On Sundays Extend the 50 to Sunderland via Whitburn & Seaburn.

Don't think Stagecoach would be too happy about that tbh. Aside from a bus to Durham via everywhere, what would that offer over the E1/2/6?

(14 Aug 2022, 3:39 pm)F114TML wrote Don't think Stagecoach would be too happy about that tbh. Aside from a bus to Durham via everywhere, what would that offer over the E1/2/6?

Connection to the beach from Sunderland, just an added connection for thoses who live in Sunderland/Surrounding areas who have GNE tickets.

A connection that already exists on 4 Stagecoach routes (3 ecos, and the 18 Mon-Sat/23 Sun). If you're doing it for the benefit of those in, say, Ryhope, who don't have a Stagecoach service, wouldn't it be better to extend the 60?

(14 Aug 2022, 4:00 pm)F114TML wrote A connection that already exists on 4 Stagecoach routes (3 ecos, and the 18 Mon-Sat/23 Sun). If you're doing it for the benefit of those in, say, Ryhope, who don't have a Stagecoach service, wouldn't it be better to extend the 60?

Maybe however for people coming from Houghton, Murton, Seaham. 

Maybe the 60 would be better actually.

(14 Aug 2022, 3:00 pm)Unber43 wrote On Sundays Extend the 50 to Sunderland via Whitburn & Seaburn.

If your going to do that I'd further extend via a fast route straight on to durham making it a circular giving Durham to Shields passengers options for slow or fast 

Similar to X20 but that doesn't do Sunderland on a Sunday does it?

(14 Aug 2022, 4:09 pm)ifm001 wrote If your going to do that I'd further extend via a fast route straight on to durham making it a circular giving Durham to Shields passengers options for slow or fast 

Similar to X20 but that doesn't do Sunderland on a Sunday does it?

Yep and then you would have to put a service to Langley Park, maybe you do do the 65 back hourly and extend that to Langley.

(14 Aug 2022, 4:09 pm)ifm001 wrote If your going to do that I'd further extend via a fast route straight on to durham making it a circular giving Durham to Shields passengers options for slow or fast 

Similar to X20 but that doesn't do Sunderland on a Sunday does it?

Or just extend the X20 to Shields, limited stop along the coast?

(14 Aug 2022, 4:11 pm)F114TML wrote Or just extend the X20 to Shields, limited stop along the coast?

South Shields was the original terminus of the X20 when it was first introduced back in 97/98, got truncated at Park Lane on favour of increased 535/536 at the time.

Tbf the X20 to South Shields makes no sense as the 24 goes the quickest way. The 50 or 60 extended to South Sheields/Sunderland would be best.

This conversation is starting to make no sense.