(13 Oct 2022, 5:14 pm)cbma06 wrote Why should Arriva get it, since Arriva decided not to run it commercially, I wouldn’t like my tax dollar to pay for the service to be ran secured by Arriva, DB needs to bugger off and stop bleeding the uk bus industry dry and using profits on the German infrastructure, and stop using handouts from the uk government, nah wonder why there got a good transport system over there, and our transport gone to crap.


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I just feel like Arriva getting it is the best thing for the passengers really, its the same operator throughout. Like when GNE run the 81 on an evening, while i Know its a mix of the 25/82, one should get them all, i mean imagine the 81 was ran by GCT, thats 3 different operators between 2 routes. 

It would just be best for the passengers and I agree I would rather not give my money to DB however I would rather Arriva than GCT and as Arriva has decided to not run it commerically, is that because its bleeding money, its like when companies stop running a certain early morning journey or evening journey even tho the rest of them make money  it just puts people off, and it would put me off if during the day I had ANE, then got someone else on an evening on the same route.

(13 Oct 2022, 6:05 pm)F114TML wrote I seriously doubt even a big company like Arriva makes enough profit to allow DB to spend tons of Arriva money on German infrastructure.

Also DB trains aren't great but they're nationalised so ofc they're some form of demi gods where everything runs like clockwork and they get shiny new trains every week to allow the creeky ancient stuff built last week to be scrapped.

Isn't parts of the German rail network now being tendered out and privatised under new EU law?

(13 Oct 2022, 10:55 pm)omnicity4659 wrote Isn't parts of the German rail network now being tendered out and privatised under new EU law?

Believe it all is but they just tender the mainlines to thereselves. The rural not profitable stuff is done to a few others like Transdev. Believe the Netherlands is the same. 

Its what we should do here tbh (trains not buses).

(13 Oct 2022, 5:14 pm)cbma06 wrote Why should Arriva get it, since Arriva decided not to run it commercially, I wouldn’t like my tax dollar to pay for the service to be ran secured by Arriva, DB needs to bugger off and stop bleeding the uk bus industry dry and using profits on the German infrastructure, and stop using handouts from the uk government, nah wonder why there got a good transport system over there, and our transport gone to crap.


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**cough cough** GO NORTH EAST.  **cough cough** GO NORTH EAST.

New Sunday journeys on the 58 from 30th October
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/...dqx7tEJpYk

(18 Oct 2022, 1:57 pm)Kuyoyo wrote New Sunday journeys on the 58 from 30th October
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/...dqx7tEJpYk

Was just going to post this

Looks like Arriva won the council secured service 59 on a Sunday and reroute it abit and re number it from 59 to 58. Same as winning the contract for the 239 and re numbering it as x21 in line with there own service, looks like gne are not winning any of the council contracts which there run previously

Looks like there abandoning the Durham to arnison centre section in favour of extending to wingate and station town from Wheatley hill and marketing the the 64 from Durham to arnison centre on Sundays half hourly


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(18 Oct 2022, 2:07 pm)cbma06 wrote Was just going to post this

Looks like Arriva won the council secured service 59 on a Sunday and reroute it abit and re number it from 59 to 58. Same as winning the contract for the 239 and re numbering it as x21 in line with there own service, looks like gne are not winning any of the council contracts which there run previously

Looks like there abandoning the Durham to arnison centre section in favour of extending to wingate and station town from Wheatley hill and marketing the the 64 from Durham to arnison centre on Sundays half hourly


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Surely it's more Arriva bid on the purpose of the 58 instead and the council thought it was the best value of money and offers the best service for punters hence Arriva won it. 

I can't imagine Durham CC being exactly best pleased with GNE lately either, the service they provide on their 28 and 29 tenders is an absolute shambles and people would be up in arms if it was GCT on here.

(18 Oct 2022, 2:55 pm)Storx wrote Surely it's more Arriva bid on the purpose of the 58 instead and the council thought it was the best value of money and offers the best service for punters hence Arriva won it. 

I can't imagine Durham CC being exactly best pleased with GNE lately either, the service they provide on their 28 and 29 tenders is an absolute shambles and people would be up in arms if it was GCT on here.

Tbf I can't imagine anyone being happy with GNE at this moment.

Even CreativeDesire they're not paying them to make basic, boring design. which a 10 year old could make.

(18 Oct 2022, 2:55 pm)Storx wrote Surely it's more Arriva bid on the purpose of the 58 instead and the council thought it was the best value of money and offers the best service for punters hence Arriva won it. 

I can't imagine Durham CC being exactly best pleased with GNE lately either, the service they provide on their 28 and 29 tenders is an absolute shambles and people would be up in arms if it was GCT on here.

Or Go North East didn’t bid at all because these tenders have little fit with their network…


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54 will be ran by Stagecoach on a Sunday according to the nexus timetable

46/46A renumbered to X46, literally the most pointless change ever, what next 51 becomes the X51

(21 Oct 2022, 4:47 pm)V514DFT wrote 46/46A renumbered to X46, literally the most pointless change ever, what next 51 becomes the X51

buts its going to be an "express" isn't it?

(21 Oct 2022, 4:47 pm)V514DFT wrote 46/46A renumbered to X46, literally the most pointless change ever, what next 51 becomes the X51

It being pointless won't stop Arriva. Remember a few years ago many services became X numbered for no reason, certainly not to signify express running. All they achieved was misleading and confusing customers. Still in place now with examples being X21, X22 ( Durham  County), X26, X27, X75, X76.

Looks like the X46 will be ran by Stanley Travel

https://www.nexus.org.uk/sites/default/f...301022.pdf


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(21 Oct 2022, 5:10 pm)9920up wrote It being pointless won't stop Arriva. Remember a few years ago many services became X numbered for no reason, certainly not to signify express running. All they achieved was misleading and confusing customers. Still in place now with examples being X21, X22 ( Durham  County), X26, X27, X75, X76.

Arriva arnt running it. Its either jh coaches or as above stanley travel. Its NEXUS who are making it an "express" stopping only at regent centre, the high street and barras bridge

(21 Oct 2022, 9:22 am)Aaron21 wrote 54 will be ran by Stagecoach on a Sunday according to the nexus timetable

Interworking with the 317 by any chance?

(21 Oct 2022, 5:57 pm)Rob44 wrote Arriva arnt running it. Its either jh coaches or as above stanley travel. Its NEXUS who are making it an "express" stopping only at regent centre, the high street and barras bridge

In fairness it just sounds better. It's going to be an express service anyway as no-one is going to use it. I know someone made a joke about the 51 but they might aswell make it express along the Coast Road as most people just let it go by anyway, would save it going up and down each slip round pointlessly.

(21 Oct 2022, 7:13 pm)Storx wrote In fairness it just sounds better. It's going to be an express service anyway as no-one is going to use it. I know someone made a joke about the 51 but they might aswell make it express along the Coast Road as most people just let it go by anyway, would save it going up and down each slip round pointlessly.

depends on how its advertised. If you could get a bus thats cheaper and quicker than arriva services you'd use it surely? Unless you wanted to be off at asda ot the town moor LOL

(22 Oct 2022, 7:02 am)Rob44 wrote depends on how its advertised. If you could get a bus thats cheaper and quicker than arriva services you'd use it surely? Unless you wanted to be off at asda ot the town moor LOL

Let's be honest we all know how it will be though. Absolutely no-where unless you know the thing exists. 

It's too infrequent aswell tbh and aren't the Arriva services quite cheap along there, can remember them being so.

I’m assuming it’ll be to do with timekeeping and ensuring they can keep going with a single bus without getting too late. Less stops on the way in and out of town should help with this.


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(22 Oct 2022, 9:36 am)tyresmoke wrote I’m assuming it’ll be to do with timekeeping and ensuring they can keep going with a single bus without getting too late. Less stops on the way in and out of town should help with this.


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yep i assumed that to although im not sure it will work as its more of a traffic congestion thing on gosforth high street no matter when NCC say!

(21 Oct 2022, 7:13 pm)Storx wrote In fairness it just sounds better. It's going to be an express service anyway as no-one is going to use it. I know someone made a joke about the 51 but they might aswell make it express along the Coast Road as most people just let it go by anyway, would save it going up and down each slip round pointlessly.

51 does pick up passengers on the Coast Road, it’s typical on the Coast Road, people with non operator specific tickets will get on the first bus. There are also some passengers using it from Corner House / Chillingham Road / Benfield Road to stops beyond Hadrian Lodge / Station Road.

Coast road -> Bring back the 44!!!

(22 Oct 2022, 9:47 am)RMF1254 wrote 51 does pick up passengers on the Coast Road, it’s typical on the Coast Road, people with non operator specific tickets will get on the first bus. There are also some passengers using it from Corner House / Chillingham Road / Benfield Road to stops beyond Hadrian Lodge / Station Road.

Aye that's fair enough whenever I used to be the only one who ever got on as it was always non stop.

On the subject of the X46 I don't get don't just run a short route from Hollywood Avenue to Great Park via Regent Centre every 30 minutes with through tickets available on the Metro and/or Great North Buses to Gosforth only. 

It arguably would offer a better service than an hourly token service.

(22 Oct 2022, 10:10 am)Rob44 wrote Coast road -> Bring back the 44!!!

Before COVID, I would've 100% agreed with an 'X' variant of the 308.

If passenger numbers stabilise and driver numbers recovered, could do this (depending on Blyth's capacity) and if the 43/44/45 returned to normal frequency, would also solve the dead-mileage issue to Dinnington (43/44/45 too unreliable to interwork on a 15 min frequency).............

- 306 & 308 - both reduced to every 20 minutes and 306 withdrawn from Battle Hill. 308 during the day runs via Marden Estate rather than Hillheads. PVR 14x and 306 curtailed in Tynemouth.

- X38 - Same as 308 now between Blyth and Billy Mill. Then only calling at Norham Road and Willington Square before non-stop to Newcastle Civic Centre, St Mary's and Haymarket. Every 30 mins and a PVR of 10x interworking with 44/45.

Diverting the 308 via Marden would open up new links, whilst further distinguishing the 'express' element of the X38

(22 Oct 2022, 12:04 pm)L469 YVK wrote Before COVID, I would've 100% agreed with an 'X' variant of the 308.

If passenger numbers stabilise and driver numbers recovered, could do this (depending on Blyth's capacity) and if the 43/44/45 returned to normal frequency, would also solve the dead-mileage issue to Dinnington (43/44/45 too unreliable to interwork on a 15 min frequency).............

- 306 & 308 - both reduced to every 20 minutes and 306 withdrawn from Battle Hill. 308 during the day runs via Marden Estate rather than Hillheads. PVR 14x and 306 curtailed in Tynemouth.

- X38 - Same as 308 now between Blyth and Billy Mill. Then only calling at Norham Road and Willington Square before non-stop to Newcastle Civic Centre, St Mary's and Haymarket. Every 30 mins and a PVR of 10x interworking with 44/45.

Diverting the 308 via Marden would open up new links, whilst further distinguishing the 'express' element of the X38

If you want an 'express' service you'd be better doing something like this imo:

306/308: Haymarket - St Mary's Place - Civic Centre - [Non Stop] - Sandyford - [Non Stop] - Cradlewell - Corner House - [Non Stop] - Kings Road North / Selby Gardens - Coast Road - ...
309/310/311: Haymarket - [All Stops] - Station Road - Mullen Road - Battle Hill - ...

It means that they all do they're respective routes so you'll have a quicker clean 7.5 minute service with the 306/308 and a clean 6 minute service with the 309/310/311 on the common sections with them both doing unique routes give or take rather than the case now where the 309 does Selby Gardens and the 306 does Battle Hill and the uneven service that causes with a slightly quicker service for the 306/308 since they don't have the slog of going up and down the two slip roads.

The 306 and 309 swap is a win for both aswell as it means GNE get Battle Hill but Arriva get Selby Gardens / Kings Road North so neither lose out.

(22 Oct 2022, 12:04 pm)L469 YVK wrote Before COVID, I would've 100% agreed with an 'X' variant of the 308.

If passenger numbers stabilise and driver numbers recovered, could do this (depending on Blyth's capacity) and if the 43/44/45 returned to normal frequency, would also solve the dead-mileage issue to Dinnington (43/44/45 too unreliable to interwork on a 15 min frequency).............

- 306 & 308 - both reduced to every 20 minutes and 306 withdrawn from Battle Hill. 308 during the day runs via Marden Estate rather than Hillheads. PVR 14x and 306 curtailed in Tynemouth.

- X38 - Same as 308 now between Blyth and Billy Mill. Then only calling at Norham Road and Willington Square before non-stop to Newcastle Civic Centre, St Mary's and Haymarket. Every 30 mins and a PVR of 10x interworking with 44/45.

Diverting the 308 via Marden would open up new links, whilst further distinguishing the 'express' element of the X38

Yes bring it on. Too many buses go via Battle Hill even 308 is painfully slow compared to the 44 prior to 2010.

from the chon....

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...s-25362532

Some interesting coments on the storey including that taylor wimpy and permission homes pay GNE 15K to operate the Q3??

Interesting,so all these services are temporary, so we could see the majority of the changes that have happened this year gone permanently

(27 Oct 2022, 3:16 pm)V514DFT wrote Interesting,so all these services are temporary, so we could see the majority of the changes that have happened this year gone permanently

Imagine it's just so it's tendered with the rest of the services. Maybe there might be some changes with it merged with the 35 etc or something long term.