1428 AS TRANSFERD FROM STOCKTON TO REDCAR AS A REPLACEMENT FOR WITHDRWAN 4705

1428 hasn’t transferred because nothing has been said about it so still on loan with 1490


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1428 is back at Stockton on 17B so clearly not a transfer


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1420 is the vehicle planned to move to Redcar permanently.

(29 Jan 2024, 7:47 am)Spottybus wrote 1428 is back at Stockton on 17B so clearly not a transfer


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You seriously need to stop spitting ta dummy out the pram. Grow up 

You need to stop saying stuff that clearly isn’t true at all


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(18 Feb 2024, 3:46 pm)Spottybus wrote You need to stop saying stuff that clearly isn’t true at all


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Stockton are losing 1404.05 

Don't they need them for the X12 though?

(18 Feb 2024, 7:01 pm)Mike_98 wrote Don't they need them for the X12 though?

Don’t think they’re moving anywhere!


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(18 Feb 2024, 7:19 pm)tyresmoke wrote Don’t think they’re moving anywhere!


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Ahh thats good then. I was like why would they get transfered out. It makes no sense

1404 and 1405 are not on any plans to move anywhere.

RobinHood1404 and 1405 are not on any plans to move anywhere.

Yes there are

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Yes there are

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(19 Feb 2024, 7:38 am)Mark66t wrote RobinHood1404 and 1405 are not on any plans to move anywhere.

Yes there are

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Yes there are

(19 Feb 2024, 7:38 am)Mark66t wrote RobinHood1404 and 1405 are not on any plans to move anywhere.

Yes there are

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Yes there are

Says who… the post you’ve quoted is from high up in Arriva


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Spottybus on ticktock as made very incorrect statement Redcar aren't losing any pulsars to Ashington for e400mmc which was brought to my attention

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(18 Feb 2024, 3:46 pm)Spottybus wrote You need to stop saying stuff that clearly isn’t true at all


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 I'm actually I'm. Not tho ?

(19 Feb 2024, 7:47 am)Mark66t wrote Spottybus on ticktock as made very incorrect statement Redcar aren't losing any pulsars to Ashington for e400mmc which was brought to my attention

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 I'm actually I'm. Not tho ?

You do realise stuff can change but you don’t even understand that


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(19 Feb 2024, 7:47 am)Mark66t wrote Spottybus on ticktock as made very incorrect statement Redcar aren't losing any pulsars to Ashington for e400mmc which was brought to my attention

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 I'm actually I'm. Not tho ?

I would say watch this space! But with 4 deckers coming in… something has to go out


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(19 Feb 2024, 6:00 pm)tyresmoke wrote I would say watch this space! But with 4 deckers coming in… something has to go out


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Perhaps 2857 might also go or another temsa for withdrawal

(19 Feb 2024, 6:00 pm)tyresmoke wrote I would say watch this space! But with 4 deckers coming in… something has to go out


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Lets be honest them 4 MMC's are technically gonna be replacing the ALX's and either 7401 or 7610. I'm really just surprised how some of the B9's are struggling and they are only 10 years old. But East Yorkshires are running decently. 

Also does anyone know if Redcars ALX's are actually driveable, like can they operate? I'm guessing not otherwise they would be on the 62. I was on 7425 the other week on the X93 but that ones now off the road.

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(19 Feb 2024, 6:11 pm)Ryland wrote Perhaps 2857 might also go or another temsa for withdrawal

If other things are leaving Redcar I would assume it would be 4711 and 4718 going to scrap as they ain't been out in ages. Hopefully the solo stays as it is a 'regular used' vehicle.

(19 Feb 2024, 6:28 pm)Mike_98 wrote Lets be honest them 4 MMC's are technically gonna be replacing the ALX's and either 7401 or 7610. I'm really just surprised how some of the B9's are struggling and they are only 10 years old. But East Yorkshires are running decently. 

Also does anyone know if Redcars ALX's are actually driveable, like can they operate? I'm guessing not otherwise they would be on the 62. I was on 7425 the other week on the X93 but that ones now off the road.

7424/6 are shown on the latest allocation as disposal and for scrap. 7425 is not, and as you say was out on X93s until recently! Perhaps they’ll use those two for bits to keep 25 going, and stick it on 62s?!
7609/10 have another summer on the Park & Ride until they need replacing. I suspect this is where two of the B9s will end up permanently next year. 7401 is due to go to Yorkshire for major work I gather.


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This isn't factual and is opinions but imo they should, even known it's a bit long winded:

4x Enviro 400 MMC, Ashington to Redcar

1479/1512/1513, Ashington to Durham
7523/1579/1580, Durham to Ashington

1584/1585/1586/1587/1588/1589 - Darlington to Ashington
1537/1540/1541/1542 - Ashington to Darlington
1538/1539 - Reserve to Darlington

1404/1405 - Stockton to Ashington (Spares)

Enviro 300's split between Stockton and Darlington as spares
Redcar B7's withdrawn

It's the best way to split the damage across easy depot, and get some consistancy of where things are ie. Sapphire Pulsar's all together at Durham, all the 14 plate Enviro 400's together etc.

(19 Feb 2024, 6:34 pm)tyresmoke wrote 7424/6 are shown on the latest allocation as disposal and for scrap. 7425 is not, and as you say was out on X93s until recently! Perhaps they’ll use those two for bits to keep 25 going, and stick it on 62s?!
7609/10 have another summer on the Park & Ride until they need replacing. I suspect this is where two of the B9s will end up permanently next year. 7401 is due to go to Yorkshire for major work I gather.


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That's good news for 7401 then.  

Are Durhams ALX's and E200's getting scrapped do ya know? Surely, it would make sense just to throw them (ALX's) at Redcar's 62 which then gives Redcars Single Deckers some breathing space for a while and creates more capacity on the 62. Even them E200's, yeh they may struggle on hills but would suit the likes of the 62/63 services or even giving the E200's as Spares to Stockton for any broken down Streetlites and Pulsars on the 8/9 and 29 Services. Just a shame to see them go to scrap if they are when they could have their uses else where as more spares.

(19 Feb 2024, 6:51 pm)Mike_98 wrote That's good news for 7401 then.  

Are Durhams ALX's and E200's getting scrapped do ya know? Surely, it would make sense just to throw them (ALX's) at Redcar's 62 which then gives Redcars Single Deckers some breathing space for a while and creates more capacity on the 62. Even them E200's, yeh they may struggle on hills but would suit the likes of the 62/63 services or even giving the E200's as Spares to Stockton for any broken down Streetlites and Pulsars on the 8/9 and 29 Services. Just a shame to see them go to scrap if they are when they could have their uses else where as more spares.

They won’t let Stockton have the E300s because they aren’t letting drivers training on them apparently which I think it’s ridiculous, If they let drivers train on them then that way they’ll get used to driving them


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(19 Feb 2024, 6:53 pm)Spottybus wrote They won’t let Stockton have the E300s because they aren’t letting drivers training on them apparently which I think it’s ridiculous, If they let drivers train on them then that way they’ll get used to driving them


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I think it's good. Stockton can't have the e300

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(19 Feb 2024, 6:51 pm)Mike_98 wrote That's good news for 7401 then.  

Are Durhams ALX's and E200's getting scrapped do ya know? Surely, it would make sense just to throw them (ALX's) at Redcar's 62 which then gives Redcars Single Deckers some breathing space for a while and creates more capacity on the 62. Even them E200's, yeh they may struggle on hills but would suit the likes of the 62/63 services or even giving the E200's as Spares to Stockton for any broken down Streetlites and Pulsars on the 8/9 and 29 Services. Just a shame to see them go to scrap if they are when they could have their uses else where as more spares.

Make the 8 fully Streetlite allocated  same with the 7 and 9

(19 Feb 2024, 6:51 pm)Mike_98 wrote That's good news for 7401 then.  

Are Durhams ALX's and E200's getting scrapped do ya know? Surely, it would make sense just to throw them (ALX's) at Redcar's 62 which then gives Redcars Single Deckers some breathing space for a while and creates more capacity on the 62. Even them E200's, yeh they may struggle on hills but would suit the likes of the 62/63 services or even giving the E200's as Spares to Stockton for any broken down Streetlites and Pulsars on the 8/9 and 29 Services. Just a shame to see them go to scrap if they are when they could have their uses else where as more spares.

I’ll just answer the sensible bits…
Durham’s E200s… well 1330 is moving back to Yorkshire. Otherwise the rest are staying until replaced. Same for the B7s… they’ve bidded for some Zebra2 money to implement electric buses at Durham to replace them (& some at Redcar) - but I wouldn’t expect to see them in service before the end of next year!


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While you're answering a lot of Arriva questions, wonder if you know the answer to the following two?

Any idea when the Arriva electric buses for the 43/44/45/47 are due and have they decided on what they are buying?

Talk in the community is that Arriva want to get some temporary deckers to improve capacity and remove a couple of the Pulsars on the 43/44/45 until the new buses arrive. Reading the posts in the last couple of days, is it likely capacity on those services might shrink rather than grow soon?

(19 Feb 2024, 9:48 pm)Shrek wrote Talk in the community is that Arriva want to get some temporary deckers to improve capacity and remove a couple of the Pulsars on the 43/44/45 until the new buses arrive. Reading the posts in the last couple of days, is it likely capacity on those services might shrink rather than grow soon?

Unsure on the rest of the post, but the capacity decrease due to deckers leaving Ashington won't be impacting the 43 boards. Believe they're, incredibly shortsightedly, planning to put the transferred in single deckers on the X21/22 - which already leave people in the peaks when single deckers are allocated.

Is there capacity problems on the 43/44/45? I rarely seem them at peaks but whenever I do see them they never come across as buses which are desperate for more capacity.

(19 Feb 2024, 9:58 pm)Storx wrote Is there capacity problems on the 43/44/45? I rarely seem them at peaks but whenever I do see them they never come across as buses which are desperate for more capacity.

Peak runs into Gosforth and Newcastle in the morning fill up Pulsars when they're allocated.

(19 Feb 2024, 10:07 pm)mb134 wrote Peak runs into Gosforth and Newcastle in the morning fill up Pulsars when they're allocated.

The same on evening peak journeys. Regularly standing passengers until Gosforth Park or Wideopen.

(19 Feb 2024, 10:07 pm)mb134 wrote Peak runs into Gosforth and Newcastle in the morning fill up Pulsars when they're allocated.

Yeah that's fair, all the Pulsar's need to leave Blyth to be honest, just an operational nightmare as they're not particularly appropiate anywhere and the way Blyth swaps things around for regulation then it's quite often they're on complete inappropiate boards at peak times.