(23 Dec 2023, 8:33 am)Rob44 wrote When is the park and ride site at the angel/birtley going to be ready... it would make sense for this to be sorted before anything is done with the bridge.  Plus this might just be my imagination but could they not build a temp bridge over the type to take the traffic for the closed one?

https://pathetic.org.uk/unbuilt/central_...st_bypass/

There would have been a permanent bridge if planners got their way back in the day!

(23 Dec 2023, 9:41 am)Andreos1 wrote https://pathetic.org.uk/unbuilt/central_...st_bypass/

There would have been a permanent bridge if planners got their way back in the day!

interesting!  But if we were in Japan they would have had a temp bridge up now so the tyne bridge could be sorted!

(22 Dec 2023, 4:33 pm)L469 YVK wrote Bus priority measures in Jesmond sound interesting. Maybe bus lane all the way from Corner House to the Punch Bowl? Or from Coast Road / Station Road?

Only thing I'll say........no one will ditch their cars unless an 'X' variant of the 308 similar to the old 44 is introduced!

Be an absolutely ridiculous idea so no doubt will happen. Might get some new record delays on the X7/X8 though while everyone attempts to rat run through South Gosforth. They're already regularly at 30 mins+ as it is.

I'm sure the 62/63 users will appreciate it aswell while they're sitting in queues along Chillingham Road and all the rest of the Byker / Walker services are ground to a halt over Byker Bridge.

Just clueless planning by clueless councillors but anything for their little trophy routes along the Coast Road in recent years.

Nexus / NECA / Transport North East / whatever name it is this week really need some adults with a transport background in the room. People take the piss out of the likes of Roger French but he'd do a much better job than the rubbish like Tobyn we've got up here who seems to be rewarded of failure by promotions.

(23 Dec 2023, 9:47 am)Rob44 wrote interesting!  But if we were in Japan they would have had a temp bridge up now so the tyne bridge could be sorted!

If we were in Japan, any repairs or replacement would have more than likely happened well before now.

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(23 Dec 2023, 9:57 am)Storx wrote Be an absolutely ridiculous idea so no doubt will happen. Might get some new record delays on the X7/X8 though while everyone attempts to rat run through South Gosforth. They're already regularly at 30 mins+ as it is.

I'm sure the 62/63 users will appreciate it aswell while they're sitting in queues along Chillingham Road and all the rest of the Byker / Walker services are ground to a halt over Byker Bridge.

Just clueless planning by clueless councillors but anything for their little trophy routes along the Coast Road in recent years.

Nexus / NECA / Transport North East / whatever name it is this week really need some adults with a transport background in the room. People take the piss out of the likes of Roger French but he'd do a much better job than the rubbish like Tobyn we've got up here who seems to be rewarded of failure by promotions. 

If certain individuals with a transport background (despite all their experience) got hold of Nexus, I dread to think what would happen!

Just look at what those individuals have done to some of the operators and routes across the region.

Experience counts for nothing when incompetence dominates and influences their decision making.

(23 Dec 2023, 9:57 am)Storx wrote Just clueless planning by clueless councillors but anything for their little trophy routes along the Coast Road in recent years..

Councillors don’t come up with highways solutions.

And what do councillors have to do with Coast Rd bus services?

(23 Dec 2023, 8:33 am)Rob44 wrote When is the park and ride site at the angel/birtley going to be ready... it would make sense for this to be sorted before anything is done with the bridge.  Plus this might just be my imagination but could they not build a temp bridge over the type to take the traffic for the closed one?

2025 is the likely date when Costain hand the site back over. Its being used as their main compound until then

(23 Dec 2023, 11:41 am)Ambassador wrote 2025 is the likely date when Costain hand the site back over. Its being used as their main compound until then

when you say compound i would assume you meant the area opposite the angel of the north pub on longbank but i've been told its actually the other side of the A1, the birtley side and P&R will be expected to cross thr a167 at the" new"  traffic lights recently installed and wait for 3 x 21s to turn up at the smae time?

(23 Dec 2023, 11:25 am)Andreos1 wrote If certain individuals with a transport background (despite all their experience) got hold of Nexus, I dread to think what would happen!

Just look at what those individuals have done to some of the operators and routes across the region.

Experience counts for nothing when incompetence dominates and influences their decision making.

In fairness would it actually be any worse...? I know we slag GNE off and that but let's be honest I wouldn't be too keen on investing up here if there's threats they're going to be took over every other week either.

What exactly has Nexus achieved in the past decade as I just see stinking failure.

Smartcard of any form - no
Public information website that actually works - no
Real time information at bus stops - no
Real time information on the internet without an app - no
Keeping projects on budget and well ran - no
Good communications on roadworks and issues with the Metro - no
Safe and secure Metro and bus stations - no
Failure to get the plans for the Ferry in time so the funding lapsed - yes
Wasting money on multiple white elephant P&R's - yes
Wasting money on 'art' - yes
Taking longer to refurbish a pedestrian tunnel than it did to build the thing, which still isn't complete - yes

I know they'll blame dom, dick and harry for all this but most the other PTE's have somehow managed to do all of the above under the same restraints, heck places like Manchester etc have had a smart card for over a decade now.

As much as the bus operators have their faults, we know they do, the local PTE really sets them up for failure aswell. We don't even have basics like spider diagrams for all the bus operators nowadays and there's no journey checker which actually works properly, the failings Rob were mentioning the other day about walking for 20 minutes is just ridiculous.

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(23 Dec 2023, 11:36 am)ne14ne1 wrote Councillors don’t come up with highways solutions.

And what do councillors have to do with Coast Rd bus services?

Gannon is head of the JCTA or whatever it's called this week and councillors most certainly do control the highways, they approve them or not excluding the A1, A19 and A184/A194(M) in between. It's their budget and they're the ones keep wasting it on awful traffic light schemes which make it worse for everyone. The same schemes that Rome could be built quicker.

(23 Dec 2023, 12:12 pm)Storx wrote

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Gannon is head of the JCTA or whatever it's called this week and councillors most certainly do control the highways, they approve them or not excluding the A1, A19 and A184/A194(M) in between. It's their budget and they're the ones keep wasting it on awful traffic light schemes which make it worse for everyone. The same schemes that Rome could be built quicker.

Qualified transport and highway engineers design  them, not councillors.

“Awful traffic light schemes” are usually required to improve life for those with the highest priority in the transport hierarchy: pedestrians, cyclists and public transport users, because at the end of the day we need sustainable and active travel options to be more appealing. 
Speeding up and making private car journeys more attractive is the last thing we want.

(23 Dec 2023, 12:28 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Qualified transport and highway engineers design  them, not councillors.

“Awful traffic light schemes” are usually required to improve life for those with the highest priority in the transport hierarchy: pedestrians, cyclists and public transport users, because at the end of the day we need sustainable and active travel options to be more appealing. 
Speeding up and making private car journeys more attractive is the last thing we want.

What all those pedestrians that use travel along Sandy Lane? It's not about active travel, most these schemes are actively making public transport worse. The X7/X8 are now 30 minutes late most evenings and that is directly linked to the Sandy Lane works. There's absolutely no pedestrian travel around there.

Which 'active travel' scheme has improved travel for buses?

Gosforth High Street - no
Four Lane Ends - no
South Gosforth - no
Haymarket - no
Central station works - no
St James' Boulevard - no
Heworth - no

The time it takes for some of these works, would suggest they're going for the cheapest option going and you pay for what you get, some of the schemes are even damn right dangerous especially that roundabout near Miller and Carter which is way too tight.

Storx you make many great points on this forum but you have a bee in ya bonnet about NExus!!

Just a few from above... arnt pop cards going to be rolled out on all transport eventually. Granted its taken some time but i dont think its coinicdence that what nexus run complelte9 the metro) you can use the but PRIVATE bus companies dont? I mean i can use my day ticket on arrive services now when i buy it on GNE but cant on SCNE?? Maybe thats a lack of joined up thinking??

TBF some bus stops have this where i am ( low fell heworth, gateshead) sometimes they work sometimes they dont. I'd love it to be like Edingbough but once again the local authrity runs the bus ( near enough) up there and the first buses never seem to turn up at the time they should at my experience

Safe and secure - i've seen more security on the metro and in gateshead interchange recently - may if parents took so responsibility it wouldn't be needed so much

Others well you might have a point on art, the tunnel etc but your being very harsh. REMEMBER THEY RUN BUSES WHEN THE BIG 3 DONT WANT TO ANYMORE TOO!!

(23 Dec 2023, 11:58 am)Rob44 wrote when you say compound i would assume you meant the area opposite the angel of the north pub on longbank but i've been told its actually the other side of the A1, the birtley side and P&R will be expected to cross thr a167 at the" new"  traffic lights recently installed and wait for 3 x 21s to turn up at the smae time?

It’s definitely the compound by Long Bank that they bought the land for and has been fully paved as a car parking space. It also directly links onto the Bowes Railway Path which is on an official cycle route (couldn’t tell you which one!)

(23 Dec 2023, 2:03 pm)Ambassador wrote It’s definitely the compound by Long Bank that they bought the land for and has been fully paved as a car parking space. It also directly links onto the Bowes Railway Path which is on an official cycle route (couldn’t tell you which one!)

Not according to the chronicle?

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...g-10875695

Its on the south side unless things have changed or my geography is off

(23 Dec 2023, 12:43 pm)Storx wrote What all those pedestrians that use travel along Sandy Lane? It's not about active travel, most these schemes are actively making public transport worse. The X7/X8 are now 30 minutes late most evenings and that is directly linked to the Sandy Lane works. There's absolutely no pedestrian travel around there.

Which 'active travel' scheme has improved travel for buses?

Gosforth High Street - no
Four Lane Ends - no
South Gosforth - no
Haymarket - no
Central station works - no
St James' Boulevard - no
Heworth - no

The time it takes for some of these works, would suggest they're going for the cheapest option going and you pay for what you get, some of the schemes are even damn right dangerous especially that roundabout near Miller and Carter which is way too tight.

You do realise bus passengers are pedestrians before they board and as soon as they alight and therefore widened pavements and light controlled crossings etc directly benefit their journeys to and from their bus stop. 
If you cannot get to and from your bus stop safely then the bus isn’t an attractive option.
The ‘first & last mile’ of journeys are important too.

Gosforth High Street - final scheme not yet implemented but bus lanes and loading restrictions have recently been introduced in the interim, and over recent years a simplified junction at Salters Rd/Church Rd has benefitted all users. 
Cycling infrastructure along Great North Road has made cycling safer and more attractive (especially for young people travelling to/from the numerous schools in the area).
Signalised junction replacing the sketchy roundabout at Regent Centre/Hollywood Ave has improved safety for all users.

Four Lane Ends - signalised junction replacing accident black spot roundabout has improved safety for all.
Widened pavements between FLE & Quorum have benefitted pedestrians & cyclists.
Additional bus lane recently introduced.
 
South Gosforth - Haddricks Mill plans were scaled back after the usual back lash from motorists but pedestrians have benefitted from some improved signalised crossings.

Haymarket - Widened pavements and widened signalised crossings have relieved pedestrian congestion & pinch points. 
Bus Priority lights on St Marys Place introduced along with a bus gate, widened pavements & cycling infrastructure on nearby John Dobson Street.
 
Central station works - still more phases ahead to move the taxi rank and short stay car park but in recent years pavements have been widened and the portico pedestrianised and glazed for a much improved passenger environment. 
Bus lane enforcement cameras also introduced.

St James' Boulevard - Bath Lane & Westmoreland Rd junctions. Improved pedestrian crossings & slightly tightened corners to improve safety.
 
Heworth - Signalised junction replacing the sketchy roundabout & crumbling bridges beneath, improving safety for bus and general traffic, and improved signalised pedestrian crossings nearby. 

Askew Road & surrounding Bridges Quarter - Bus priority measures, bus lane enforcement, widened pavements, widened & simplified pedestrian crossings, a bus shelter and cycling infrastructure all introduced along with removal of general traffic from some streets, promoting active and sustainable travel options.

The Miller & Carter roundabout will likely be that tight to purposely slow down drivers due to the now residential nature of the area and so that the drivers are less likely to speed up & run a red light, therefore improving safety.

Agreeing about pedestrian access making a big difference in choosing the bus. Living somewhere where I'm spoilt for choice for buses in various directions, crossing roads is often the clincher in which one I choose. I've just been to the Arnison centre and I have a choice of 9 buses an hour to get home again, not including the 50. I let a 20 go and caught the slower 64, behind it, to get home. Why? Because the 20 would have meant crossing a busy (busier than normal, today) road with no crossings to get to my house.

Maybe they could have run buses in both directions over the High Level Bridge, obviously only in one direction at once.

Lights at both ends wouldn’t take longer than your average temporary roadworks, and they could ensure they were actively monitored, so you didn’t have buses waiting at one end when there was nothing coming the other way

(23 Dec 2023, 2:50 pm)ne14ne1 wrote You do realise bus passengers are pedestrians before they board and as soon as they alight and therefore widened pavements and light controlled crossings etc directly benefit their journeys to and from their bus stop. 
If you cannot get to and from your bus stop safely then the bus isn’t an attractive option.
The ‘first & last mile’ of journeys are important too.

Gosforth High Street - final scheme not yet implemented but bus lanes and loading restrictions have recently been introduced in the interim, and over recent years a simplified junction at Salters Rd/Church Rd has benefitted all users. 
Cycling infrastructure along Great North Road has made cycling safer and more attractive (especially for young people travelling to/from the numerous schools in the area).
Signalised junction replacing the sketchy roundabout at Regent Centre/Hollywood Ave has improved safety for all users.

Four Lane Ends - signalised junction replacing accident black spot roundabout has improved safety for all.
Widened pavements between FLE & Quorum have benefitted pedestrians & cyclists.
Additional bus lane recently introduced.
 
South Gosforth - Haddricks Mill plans were scaled back after the usual back lash from motorists but pedestrians have benefitted from some improved signalised crossings.

Haymarket - Widened pavements and widened signalised crossings have relieved pedestrian congestion & pinch points. 
Bus Priority lights on St Marys Place introduced along with a bus gate, widened pavements & cycling infrastructure on nearby John Dobson Street.
 
Central station works - still more phases ahead to move the taxi rank and short stay car park but in recent years pavements have been widened and the portico pedestrianised and glazed for a much improved passenger environment. 
Bus lane enforcement cameras also introduced.

St James' Boulevard - Bath Lane & Westmoreland Rd junctions. Improved pedestrian crossings & slightly tightened corners to improve safety.
 
Heworth - Signalised junction replacing the sketchy roundabout & crumbling bridges beneath, improving safety for bus and general traffic, and improved signalised pedestrian crossings nearby. 

Askew Road & surrounding Bridges Quarter - Bus priority measures, bus lane enforcement, widened pavements, widened & simplified pedestrian crossings, a bus shelter and cycling infrastructure all introduced along with removal of general traffic from some streets, promoting active and sustainable travel options.

The Miller & Carter roundabout will likely be that tight to purposely slow down drivers due to the now residential nature of the area and so that the drivers are less likely to speed up & run a red light, therefore improving safety.

I have to disagree with some of these mind.

Heworth - Traffic problems worse, result there's now more rat running through the centre of Felling to avoid the thing it's that bad. An area which is a high pedestrian area, rather than a crossing which already had a subway.

Gateshead - The scheme is so ill thought, Bensham Road through to Team Valley is pretty much a car park all day, yet again another residential area.

Sandy Lane - The crossing are horrendous, you have to walk 200m to do 10m, result people mad dash across the road, also again, traffic issues have now resulted in Camperdown as a rat run, increasing traffic in places

St James' Boulvard - Severe traffic issues, again more rat running mostly around the Central area to avoid the traffic problems, an area much more busier than that junction.

Central Station - The new portico is horrid, that's an opinion though but it's shared by a lot. There's also an extremely dangerous no left turn some ignore which nearly results in pedestrians run over. They've also removed the old East bound route so buses no longer serve a reasonable bus stop outside the station and passengers have to travel a much further distance from the grim stops outside Shephards or The Mile Castle.

Miller & Carter - Making roundabouts tight to slow people down is damn right dangerous, the X7/X8 struggle to turn around there if there's a vehicle next to them, totally unacceptable on an suburban dual carriageway.

I'm by no means one of those people who think everything should be pro car but I'm also totally aware than cars can go wherever they want so if you start snarling up main roads, then they'll start rat running into places where cars really shouldn't be, past schools etc and that really causes problems. Gosforth High Street is in the state it is partially because of the mess at Cowgate anyway, another extremely poor scheme and it's a horrid place to cross there aswell as the timings are extremely slow so you just mad dash (and I've done it multiple times going from Morrisons to the chippy).

There's absolutely no planning, where the cars are meant to go. I'm all for active travel but you need to designate one main route for cars and keep it flowing. Beyond that get the active travel on the rat runs, whether that's through Wallsend, whether that's through Felling, whether that's through Gosforth, whether that's through Low Fell etc but right now that doesn't happen and it's placemeal here there and everywhere and a result there's traffic all over the place.

Credit to Sunderland as they're the only council which seems to have done that with Wessington Way, Durham Road, Newcastle Road or the new Hendon Bypass being the main roads and all 4 roads have been kept flowing the best they can and generally the city flows well really.

(23 Dec 2023, 5:12 pm)Wybus wrote Maybe they could have run buses in both directions over the High Level Bridge, obviously only in one direction at once.

Lights at both ends wouldn’t take longer than your average temporary roadworks, and they could ensure they were actively monitored, so you didn’t have buses waiting at one end when there was nothing coming the other way

The bridge couldn’t handle the extra traffic, it’s why it went one way in the first place

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(23 Dec 2023, 2:10 pm)Rob44 wrote Not according to the chronicle?

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...g-10875695

Its on the south side unless things have changed or my geography is off

That’s the old scheme, council realised Costain would do it for free as part of A1 works

(23 Dec 2023, 12:12 pm)Storx wrote In fairness would it actually be any worse...? I know we slag GNE off and that but let's be honest I wouldn't be too keen on investing up here if there's threats they're going to be took over every other week either.

What exactly has Nexus achieved in the past decade as I just see stinking failure.

Smartcard of any form - no
Public information website that actually works - no
Real time information at bus stops - no
Real time information on the internet without an app - no
Keeping projects on budget and well ran - no
Good communications on roadworks and issues with the Metro - no
Safe and secure Metro and bus stations - no
Failure to get the plans for the Ferry in time so the funding lapsed - yes
Wasting money on multiple white elephant P&R's - yes
Wasting money on 'art' - yes
Taking longer to refurbish a pedestrian tunnel than it did to build the thing, which still isn't complete - yes

I know they'll blame dom, dick and harry for all this but most the other PTE's have somehow managed to do all of the above under the same restraints, heck places like Manchester etc have had a smart card for over a decade now.

As much as the bus operators have their faults, we know they do, the local PTE really sets them up for failure aswell. We don't even have basics like spider diagrams for all the bus operators nowadays and there's no journey checker which actually works properly, the failings Rob were mentioning the other day about walking for 20 minutes is just ridiculous.

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Some interesting points and I'm not sure I agree with all of them. 
They have the POP Card. 
However quite why there was no joined up or holistic approach when every Tom, Dick and Harry applied for the smart card funding, is anyones guess. 

As for the lack of operator investment because 'threats they're going to be taken over'.
Not sure what you mean by this? Operators make a loss, partly because they've not adapted networks to suit the changing passenger habits they keep telling us about.

The network is pretty much as is back in 86 when they gained control of them and there weren't business parks or out of town shopping, but there was plenty of town/city centre shopping/working and ship yards/pits.

40 years of looking after shareholders, being stuck in a rut, generational incompetence, habitual begging bowl collections, making cuts and clearly lacking the foresight to adapt has led to the rumours of LA/PTE control not just in the NE, but across the country.

If operators are worried about that, then that's on them. Not the LA or PTE.

(23 Dec 2023, 9:42 pm)Storx wrote Miller & Carter - Making roundabouts tight to slow people down is damn right dangerous, the X7/X8 struggle to turn around there if there's a vehicle next to them, totally unacceptable on an suburban dual carriageway.

I believe there is some talk of changes to that roundabout as there have been far too many accidents at it.

Also, regarding the Sandy Lane roundabout and the x7/x8. I believe it was suggested before the scheme was approved that they should have a bus gate down the back of Gosforth Park where the buses would turn left at the Miller and Carter roundabout and along the road by the garden centre to avoid getting caught in the traffic. Unfortunately while it would have been a great idea, Council planners didn't think it was necessary. I'm sure the commuters on the x7/x8 will disagree with that when they're delayed for 20 minutes in the traffic there.

(24 Dec 2023, 9:43 am)Andreos1 wrote Some interesting points and I'm not sure I agree with all of them. 
They have the POP Card. 
However quite why there was no joined up or holistic approach when every Tom, Dick and Harry applied for the smart card funding, is anyones guess. 

As for the lack of operator investment because 'threats they're going to be taken over'.
Not sure what you mean by this? Operators make a loss, partly because they've not adapted networks to suit the changing passenger habits they keep telling us about.

The network is pretty much as is back in 86 when they gained control of them and there weren't business parks or out of town shopping, but there was plenty of town/city centre shopping/working and ship yards/pits.

40 years of looking after shareholders, being stuck in a rut, generational incompetence, habitual begging bowl collections, making cuts and clearly lacking the foresight to adapt has led to the rumours of LA/PTE control not just in the NE, but across the country.

If operators are worried about that, then that's on them. Not the LA or PTE.

Pop is a complete mess imo, it might aswell be called The Metro Card, I don't get why it's been so mishandled since the start. Network One immediately should have been launched onto it and that scrapped but we still have that running however many years later and Network One is like trying to find a needle in a haystack, information on it. Must be the most confusing multi modal system in the whole country.

Of course, I don't blame the PTE/LA for the losses that would be riduculous but imo someone needs to condense all bus information into one site or place and we just don't have it still. You have to remember the areas where there's multiple operators which are stuggling the most and it's no doubt it's because people are simply confused.

The fact the Nexus has no form of journey planner in 2023, is just disgustingly poor imo. The ticket information page is also like trying to read through an manual aswell, it's a pathetic site. Compare that to say the West Midlands - https://www.tfwm.org.uk/. You can do literally everything you need from the home page, plan a journey - with a less walking option, find tickets, and then important information about travel. Not footsteps with Mo Farah which is unneeded information.

Someone needs to display this information, and it simply can't be the operators as it's illegal for them to do it. Someone needs to take responsibility on it, and it falls simply down to the PTE/LA as it's literally they're job.

Bad ticketing, bad information and bad routes, hot mess combination for problems. The last one falls on the operator, the first 2 falls on everyone, arguably more PTE/LA than anyone. Even the new TNE tickets are like trying to find gold at the end of the rainbow on the Nexus website.

(24 Dec 2023, 12:37 pm)Storx wrote  
Pop is a complete mess imo, it might aswell be called The Metro Card, I don't get why it's been so mishandled since the start. Network One immediately should have been launched onto it and that scrapped but we still have that running however many years later and Network One is like trying to find a needle in a haystack, information on it. Must be the most confusing multi modal system in the whole country.

Of course, I don't blame the PTE/LA for the losses that would be riduculous but imo someone needs to condense all bus information into one site or place and we just don't have it still. You have to remember the areas where there's multiple operators which are stuggling the most and it's no doubt it's because people are simply confused.

The fact the Nexus has no form of journey planner in 2023, is just disgustingly poor imo. The ticket information page is also like trying to read through an manual aswell, it's a pathetic site. Compare that to say the West Midlands - https://www.tfwm.org.uk/. You can do literally everything you need from the home page, plan a journey - with a less walking option, find tickets, and then important information about travel. Not footsteps with Mo Farah which is unneeded information.

Someone needs to display this information, and it simply can't be the operators as it's illegal for them to do it. Someone needs to take responsibility on it, and it falls simply down to the PTE/LA as it's literally they're job.

Bad ticketing, bad information and bad routes, hot mess combination for problems. The last one falls on the operator, the first 2 falls on everyone, arguably more PTE/LA than anyone. Even the new TNE tickets are like trying to find gold at the end of the rainbow on the Nexus website.

I had a small, initial involvement in it at the beginning and it was doomed to fail when it became clear there was going to be no joined up thinking across the region. 

Operators were going after their own individual and unique systems like a greedy schoolboy after some sweets. 
Even more attractive once they knew there would be continued uplifts attached to the 6/7 figure grants and ultimately, very minimal investment on their part.

Maybe Nexus could have encouraged greater discussion, maybe they could have been stronger. 
But there's no way they could have insisted the operators should not apply for their own system and subsequently, physically stop them.

(24 Dec 2023, 1:20 pm)Andreos1 wrote I had a small, initial involvement in it at the beginning and it was doomed to fail when it became clear there was going to be no joined up thinking across the region. 

Operators were going after their own individual and unique systems like a greedy schoolboy after some sweets. 
Even more attractive once they knew there would be continued uplifts attached to the 6/7 figure grants and ultimately, very minimal investment on their part.

Maybe Nexus could have encouraged greater discussion, maybe they could have been stronger. 
But there's no way they could have insisted the operators should not apply for their own system and subsequently, physically stop them.

Aye that's fair must admit I'm not aware of the earlier rounds. I just never understood how the NE done so badly whereas everywhere else got some form of system from the same money. 

Who knows, it's probably a combination of greedy operators and a weak PTE let's be honest. 

I must admit I never understand why there's a bus combined group up here, forgot it's name. Surely thats the point of Nexus. Imo for Nexus and the TNE to succeed the Metro needs spun off from them with it's own team completely or alternatively Nexus is abolished in terms of PTE duties and become the Metro operator only, with TNE taking control of Nexus duties, same again why is there two anyway..? With both Northumberland and Durham becoming part of the super PTE so we can manage investment regionwide.

I'm not aware of any plans for that though.

(24 Dec 2023, 1:20 pm)Andreos1 wrote I had a small, initial involvement in it at the beginning and it was doomed to fail when it became clear there was going to be no joined up thinking across the region. 

Operators were going after their own individual and unique systems like a greedy schoolboy after some sweets. 
Even more attractive once they knew there would be continued uplifts attached to the 6/7 figure grants and ultimately, very minimal investment on their part.

Maybe Nexus could have encouraged greater discussion, maybe they could have been stronger. 
But there's no way they could have insisted the operators should not apply for their own system and subsequently, physically stop them.

That's not quite true. Smartzones exist using differing systems. If it wasn't for Stagecoach using VIX machines there is no technical reason ToTo couldn't exist either.

It's just the world has now moved on from Smartcards to ToTo. Something Stagecoach, Metro/NEXUS and GNE are so far behind on it's embarrassing. Even ARRIVA and First Bus are ahead. That's how bad it is.

(24 Dec 2023, 2:15 pm)DeltaMan wrote That's not quite true. Smartzones exist using differing systems. If it wasn't for Stagecoach using VIX machines there is no technical reason ToTo couldn't exist either.

It's just the world has now moved on from Smartcards to ToTo. Something Stagecoach, Metro/NEXUS and GNE are so far behind on it's embarrassing. Even ARRIVA and First Bus are ahead. That's how bad it is.

Pop was launched circa 2015. First trial roll-out early Q2 off memory. 

The Smartzones weren't launched until 3 or 4 years later.

(24 Dec 2023, 2:30 pm)Andreos1 wrote Pop was launched circa 2015. First trial roll-out early Q2 off memory. 

The Smartzones weren't launched until 3 or 4 years later.

It took TfL 12 years from the launch of Oyster to then withdrawn cash fares on bus. These aren't just tricky box software installations. It takes years to plan and implement.

(24 Dec 2023, 2:51 pm)DeltaMan wrote It took TfL 12 years from the launch of Oyster to then withdrawn cash fares on bus. These aren't just tricky box software installations. It takes years to plan and implement.

Aye, but you're comparing apples and pears. 

Taking away a cash option isn't the same as multiple operators using multiple systems, applying for multiple grants and not having joined up thinking from day 1.

Main works will start on the Tyne Bridge which will see Lane closures and in some cases overnight closures, starting April 2nd: https://tynebridge.org/news/work-commenc...f5Nc6DRvok

They advise that people should switch to using public transport for the duration of these works

Is it just me who thinks they are taking the complete wrong approach for this and all the buses are going to be absolutely chaos as a result?

Personally imo it would be better to do something like

X66: Blaydon - Metrocentre - Metro Centre [Express]
X100: Metrocentre - Newcastle [All Stop]
X200: Newcastle to Gateshead Interchange [Express] 

10/10A/10B: Newcastle via Scotswood Road, change to X66 for Metrocentre
X45/47: Redirected to Blaydon and into Newcastle via Scotswood Road, change to X100 for Metrocentre
6: Terminate short at Metrocentre, change to X65 for Newcastle

All Gateshead services: Terminate at Gateshead, change to X200 or Metro for Newcastle

Least the other 95% of the bus routes would actually be running on time.

It's going to be absolute chaos imo.

The return of the 100 would be extremely handy to have given how busy GNE services already are between Newcastle and Metrocentre

But Stagecoach and any other operator don't seem interested.