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(30 Mar 2014, 12:21 am)Acky81 wrote Service 39A
Parkside-dawdon-Byron place-ryhope village-tunstall village -mill hill- beckwith green- morrisons- Doxford international -board inn-Durham road- Sunderland royal hospital circular
(30 Mar 2014, 11:14 am)Acky81 wrote Any thoughts on this service?? Be great for Seaham folk getting to morrisons Doxford international and royal hospital for a direct link
(30 Mar 2014, 11:23 am)Michael wrote Not sure, as theirs frequent links for the Hospital already from Park lane and other area's from GNE
2A/2C/8/35/39/78/78A/700 and the X36 (peak times only)
the 60 runs every 10 mins - which links straight to Stand J and K in park lane.
Not putting down your'e idea but i don't think we need anther service to the hospital
(24 Apr 2014, 10:01 pm)Racer_Experience wrote this might be an idea for 27 to split into 2 routes have one every 20 mins while the other the same why not have 27 operating its Normal route until Hebburn Town Centre then instead of going down Victoria Road East to join on to Campbell Park Road then on to Finchael Road why not replace that part with 27A and run the 27 up Victoria Road West and have it run direct along past the Football club and then where the old College used to be thus run Service 27 as Every 20 mins and 27A every 20 mins so a combined frequency to every 10 mins thus allowing to Withdraw 27X and 515 but still keep it under the Crusader brand and will require 14 vehicles once 27 and 27A then can rejoin the current 27 Route at Hebburn Fire Station this will ease pressure of 27 with capacity and it will give residents a nice vehicle instead of a crappy MPD
(24 Apr 2014, 10:13 pm)aureolin wrote Wasn't something like this attempted by GNE in the past? Can't recall exactly what, but I'm almost certain the Crusader was split at some point.. perhaps in the Cadet days?
(24 Apr 2014, 10:01 pm)Racer_Experience wrote this might be an idea for 27 to split into 2 routes have one every 20 mins while the other the same why not have 27 operating its Normal route until Hebburn Town Centre then instead of going down Victoria Road East to join on to Campbell Park Road then on to Finchael Road why not replace that part with 27A and run the 27 up Victoria Road West and have it run direct along past the Football club and then where the old College used to be thus run Service 27 as Every 20 mins and 27A every 20 mins so a combined frequency to every 10 mins thus allowing to Withdraw 27X and 515 but still keep it under the Crusader brand and will require 14 vehicles once 27 and 27A then can rejoin the current 27 Route at Hebburn Fire Station this will ease pressure of 27 with capacity and it will give residents a nice vehicle instead of a crappy MPD
. What we do need is to reinstating 87 back but to extend to Eldon which would help with 27 every 30mins(03 May 2014, 11:50 am)Andreos Constantopolous wrote With GNE keen to protect their territory in Silksworth and passengers seemingly preferring the 35 options over the 42, I wondered if a 35/42 circular service could be introduced or divert the x35 via Silksworth.
idea 1:
35a - current route to Barnes Park and follow the route of the 20/a to The Board Inn. From the Board Inn, left towards Farringdon and pick up current 35a route back to Shields. Peak times extends to Rainton Bridge still.
42 operates current route to Silksworth.
idea 2:
35a - as current route to Silksworth, but operate 42 route back to Park Lane/Sunderland from Silksworth before continuing to Shields. Peak time still extends to Rainton Bridge.
42 - Current 42 route to Silksworth. Reverse via 35a route.
idea 3:
x35 diverted via Silksworth from/to Doxford Park rather than use Durham Road.
Obviously this leaves a gap in service between Herrington and Houghton and to the various destinations, which would need filling somehow - such as extending the 71 back to Sunderland via Burnside Estate, Herrington and Durham Road.
(03 May 2014, 1:55 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote For idea 3 why not extend the 238 into Chester from Houghton and Withdraw the 71, or would that still leave gap from the re-routing of the X35.
(10 May 2014, 8:48 am)DaveyBowyer wrote - Service 309 would operate every 20 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime on its current route between Blyth and Coast Road / Station Road. Between Station Road and St Mary's Place / Haymarket, buses would operate non stop. Evening and Sunday journeys would operate every 30 minutes on the same stopping basis as now serving all stops between Station Road and St Mary's Place.
(10 May 2014, 9:28 am)Robert wrote By doing this you would be erasing Arriva's competition on the 308 so it can potentially lose money. Would a company really want to do this? I'm not saying your idea is bad and you have said how passengers could connect with the 309/310 with the 58 at Cobalt.
(10 May 2014, 11:58 am)DaveyBowyer wrote The 58 wouldn't connect with the Cobalt Clipper at all. Every other journey (every 20 minutes) would operate to Cobalt in the mornings and from Cobalt during the teatime. So like during the mornings, the 58 would only operate to Hadrian Park every 20 minutes with the other three journeys going to Cobalt instead. During teatime, the 58 would only operate from Hadrian Park every 20 minutes with the other three journeys operating from Cobalt. That would solve the problem of the Cobalt Clipper missing out stops between St Mary's and Station Road. The 58 peak time journeys would operate Monday to Friday.
Also, the 309 and 310 would only lose out on frequency during the day with 2 buses ( 1 on either route) lost at the expense of a better journey time. The journey between Station Road and St Mary's would be reduced from 20-25 minutes at peak times to just under 15 minutes. Off peak, the journey time would be reduced from 15 minutes to just under 10 minutes. Also, despite the fact that the 309 would offer one less bus per hour than the 308 between Blyth and Rake Lane, the journey time would be quicker and the 20 minute frequency would still offer convenience to passengers. The 310 would also offer a similar journey time to the 306 between the Norham Road area and Newcastle.
It works for the TEN and it would potentially work on the Cobalt Clipper with good marketing. The Cobalt Clipper would still serve all stops between Station Road and Newcastle during the evenings and Sundays forming a combined frequency between Battle Hill Drive and St Mary's Place of every 10 minutes with Citylink 58 operating half hourly and both the 309 and 310 operating half hourly during the evenings and on Sundays.
(10 May 2014, 12:18 pm)Robert wrote But people on the Coast Road going to Blyth or North Shields will use Arriva services which isn't want Go North East want. They want to compete with Arriva and if they do go Non Stop along the Coast Road then they will lose passengers and money which will start to make the B9s look like they have been purchased for an un-profitable service.
(11 May 2014, 12:56 pm)Tom wrote Very few passengers board the 309 heading towards Blyth or Whitley Bay along the Coast Road, with the 310 notably picking up more passengers along that section of the route. This would also allow service X39 to be withdrawn.
To be honest, the 310 doesn't need to be non-stop along the Coast Road, therefore that could operate via it's normal route via High Farm. This would provide a service regularly from Benfield Road even if the 58 remained unchanged, which I think should happen.
So, the Coast Road services would remain the same, but the 309 would opeate non-stop from the Corner House to Station Road, providing competition with Arriva. A B9 with a tachograph could transfer to Riverside to aid with reliability on the TTX.
Some changes to the North Tyne Links and Coaster could also be made, to provide new and better links for Hadrian Park, and assist with reliability on service 1. Services 40/41 would remain the same, however only run every half hour. New service 40A and 41A would be introduced, with service 40A operating from Wallsend to North Shields via Hadrian Park, Cobalt South and Royal Quays half hourly, combining with the 40 to provide a service from Hadrian Park to Wallsend via Battle Hill every 15 minutes. Service 41A would operate from Wallsend to Whitley Bay via Hadrian Park, Cobalt and Marden Estate every 30 minutes, providing a link from Wallsend to Hadrian Park via Howdon every 15 minutes. Service 80 would be withdrawn in it's current form, and replaced by service 41A between Wallsend and Cobalt, and services new 80 and 80A in North Shields. Service 80 would operate a North Shields Circular from North Shields via Tynemouth, Marden Estate, Morrisons, Rake Lane and Billy Mill, with service 80A operating anti-clockwise. This would allow service 1 to omit Marden Estate improving reliability.
Service 307 would be withdrawn, and replaced by a new X44 service. It would operate from Whitley Bay (interworking with the 17), via Marden Estate, Rake Lane, Shiremoor, Northumberland Park, Benton Asda and Wiltshire Drive, then non-stop to the Civic Centre.
Overview
1:Unchanged, however omits Marden Estate and operates direct via Cullercoats to assist with reliability.
9: Unchanged
17: Unchanged
19: Unchanged
40/41: Unchanged route, operates every 30 minutes.
40A: New service - Wallsend-Battle Hill-Hadrian Park-Cobalt South-Percy Main-Royal Quays-Howdon Road-North Shields
41A New service - Wallsend-Howdon-Hadrian Park-Cobalt-New York-Rake Lane-Marden Estate-Whitley Bay
80/80A North Shields Circular - North Shields-Tynemouth-Marden Estate-Morrisons-Rake Lane-Billy Mill-North Shields
307 Withdrawn
309 Operates via normal route from Blyth to Station Road/Coast Road, then runs non-stop to the Civic Centre.
X39 Withdrawn
X44 New service, from Whitley Bay to Newcastle, via Marden Estate, Rake Lane, Northumberland Park, Holystone, Benton Asda, Wiltshire Drive, then non-stop to Newcastle Civic Centre.
(11 May 2014, 1:01 pm)danpick wrote i would make the x39 every hour releasing pressure on 309
(11 May 2014, 1:03 pm)Marcus wrote To be honest, I would make the X39 a peak time service like the 921 and 922, because every time I see it in Haymarket it only has people dressing in work uniforms onboard.
(11 May 2014, 1:05 pm)Tom wrote Exactly. Who's going to use a service from Newcastle to Cobalt off-peak?
Service X39 could be withdrawn because the 309 would provide a fast link from Newcastle to Cobalt, along with the 58X.
(11 May 2014, 1:17 pm)Marcus wrote It's a waste of time and a waste of money to operate a service that probably doesn't even get two on people on between 9 and 5. Going back to the OK1; I've often wondered why they actually did withdraw it, because if you look at photos of it you'll see quite a few people onboard. I used it only the once all the way from Middlesborough to Darlington and it was about half full. The problem is, that service had a competition which it lost to.
Operating the X39 during the daytime isn't worth it.
(11 May 2014, 1:17 pm)Marcus wrote It's a waste of time and a waste of money to operate a service that probably doesn't even get two on people on between 9 and 5. Going back to the OK1; I've often wondered why they actually did withdraw it, because if you look at photos of it you'll see quite a few people onboard. I used it only the once all the way from Middlesborough to Darlington and it was about half full. The problem is, that service had a competition which it lost to.
Operating the X39 during the daytime isn't worth it.
(11 May 2014, 1:21 pm)Dan wrote Most of which were pensioners, I bet?!
For reference, service OK1 operated with next to no passengers all day on the final day of operation. Whilst this will be in part to customers making alternative arrangements for travel owing to the impending withdrawal of the service, an empty bus with just me on it did suggest a lot.
The service may have been 'breaking even', but I doubt it was making much of a profit when in its prime. This was as a result of the strong competition from Arriva on the route. If you ask me, it's not a coincidence that the withdrawal of service OK1 saw the vehicles repainted for a new service which provides Arriva with strong competition down in Hexham where they don't have any other connecting services!
