(09 Jan 2015, 7:45 pm)Dan wrote Well...![]()
You're a few months too late, I'm afraid!
Well the thought was there.
As I'm sure you've been told at some point, that's what counts!
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(09 Jan 2015, 7:39 pm)Kuyoyo wrote X21 is going to need something before long - the Spackle is on its way after all
(09 Jan 2015, 9:12 pm)aureolin wrote Looking at the Buzzfare zone map actually, it's perhaps an issue created by the zones not really being reviewed since they were brought in? Perhaps Tudhoe, Spenny, and Bishop Auckland should be part of the Green zone instead? If that was the case, then at £18.00, you'd be competing.
(09 Jan 2015, 9:17 pm)Andreos1 wrote Just get rid of the zones and introduce a system that doesn't punish those living near a border or two.
Quite amazing how borders/boundaries were positioned.
If you take Bournmoor (or its nearby cousin a mile to the south) and its administrative town (Chester) as one example...
No doubt there are many more.
(09 Jan 2015, 9:17 pm)Andreos1 wrote Just get rid of the zones and introduce a system that doesn't punish those living near a border or two.
Quite amazing how borders/boundaries were positioned.
If you take Bournmoor (or its nearby cousin a mile to the south) and its administrative town (Chester) as one example...
No doubt there are many more.
(09 Jan 2015, 9:08 pm)aureolin wrote I work with a lot of people from Bishop Auckland, and most tend to use the Arriva 6, based on both price and frequency. GNE offer a Pronto saver for £22.50 a week, which is cheaper than a two zone Buzzfare (£24.50), but Arriva's weekly ticket is £16.90 (Bishop Auckland zones). 4-weekly would be £85.55 compared to £60.50.
(09 Jan 2015, 9:21 pm)citaro5284 wrote but on the flip side...how many people benefit from a zonal system?
(09 Jan 2015, 9:21 pm)Dan wrote Between Durham and Bishop Auckland, I don't think anyone could argue against Arriva providing the superior service (and this is without the added 'sparkle' on service 6). The fares and frequencies between the two operators aren't competitive for a reason: the main purpose of service X21 is to link passengers from Bishop Auckland to Chester-le-Street and Newcastle, which is why this was the focus of my previous post.
(09 Jan 2015, 9:30 pm)Andreos1 wrote @Citaro5284
No idea.
Quite a few saw their fares increase massively when the system was relaunched.
Quite a few have seen a boundary introduced around their administrative towns.
Quite a few have seen arbitrary zones introduced in the section between Consett and Newcastle.
That red zone is canny though. Can get a bargain day out, so suppose passengers living there have seen some benefit (despite those living in the T&W part paying almost twice the price following the changes (see first paragraph).
There will always be winners and losers as has been pointed out a few times.
(09 Jan 2015, 9:35 pm)Dan wrote That's not the only one which, in my opinion, offers good value...
Green, Red and Blue (also covering Gateshead/Metrocentre in Purple) cover quite a distance and would get quite a lot of people to work... When the OK1 was operational, I think that Turquoise also offered tremendous value for money. Do agree with aureolin that Green should include the parts covered by the X21 though, now that the OK1 has been withdrawn.
(09 Jan 2015, 9:50 pm)Malarkey wrote And then you look at the Orange Zone and think which numpty came up with this System
(09 Jan 2015, 9:52 pm)Dan wrote That one has always confused me. It came about when Go North East gained the Hexham operations from Arriva (March 2010), but I have no idea why Blyth/Ashington were included in the same zone...
(09 Jan 2015, 10:00 pm)Malarkey wrote In my opinion the Hexham Operations should of went into the Cherry Zone, while Blyth/Ashington should of went into the Blue Zone which would of been most logical, I can only imagine how much Profit Go North East has made on 2 to 3+ Zone Buzzfares in these Areas in the last 5 Years.
(09 Jan 2015, 10:00 pm)Malarkey wrote In my opinion the Hexham Operations should of went into the Cherry Zone, while Blyth/Ashington should of went into the Blue Zone which would of been most logical, I can only imagine how much Profit Go North East has made on 2 to 3+ Zone Buzzfares in these Areas in the last 5 Years.
(09 Jan 2015, 10:05 pm)Dan wrote If you completely removed the orange zone and morphed the places currently in this zone into the closest zones, you'd have to up the price of a one zone ticket... Arriva's Blyth and T&W Triple ticket costs £5.80. A single BuzzFare zone ticket costs £4.75...
(09 Jan 2015, 10:05 pm)Dan wrote If you completely removed the orange zone and morphed the places currently in this zone into the closest zones, you'd have to up the price of a one zone ticket... Arriva's Blyth and T&W Triple ticket costs £5.80. A single BuzzFare zone ticket costs £4.75...But what if a TEN Day Saver was introduced at around £5.20 to go alongside the Weekly Savers currently offered at £15.10 and £22.50, it would make Traveling by Bus in that area more affordable for Passengers who perhaps only Travel between Hexham and Newcastle once or twice a week and being diddled out of £7.70 in the process, surely this would also result in significant passenger growth also.
(09 Jan 2015, 10:26 pm)Malarkey wrote But what if a TEN Day Saver was introduced at around £5.20 to go alongside the Weekly Savers currently offered at £15.10 and £22.50, it would make Traveling by Bus in that area more affordable for Passengers who perhaps only Travel between Hexham and Newcastle once or twice a week and being diddled out of £7.70 in the process, surely this would also result in significant passenger growth also.
(09 Jan 2015, 10:26 pm)Malarkey wrote But what if a TEN Day Saver was introduced at around £5.20 to go alongside the Weekly Savers currently offered at £15.10 and £22.50, it would make Traveling by Bus in that area more affordable for Passengers who perhaps only Travel between Hexham and Newcastle once or twice a week and being diddled out of £7.70 in the process, surely this would also result in significant passenger growth also.
(09 Jan 2015, 9:21 pm)Dan wrote Between Durham and Bishop Auckland, I don't think anyone could argue against Arriva providing the superior service (and this is without the added 'sparkle' on service 6). The fares and frequencies between the two operators aren't competitive for a reason: the main purpose of service X21 is to link passengers from Bishop Auckland to Chester-le-Street and Newcastle, which is why this was the focus of my previous post.
You correctly quote that Go North East's "Pronto Saver" is £22.50/week. That allows travel all the way from Bishop Auckland to Newcastle, and includes the further four buses per hour from Durham to Newcastle that the "Angel" 21 service adds. Arriva's "North East All Zones" ticket costs £27.20/week, or £91.00/28 days.
(09 Jan 2015, 10:50 pm)Dan wrote Services 9 and 17 have both been held under a brand in the past, but neither are now.Of course not as it would be completely illogical, as the Passenger would then have to pay the fare for what Zones they're travelling within.
Do you stop offering a route saver when a brand is revoked?
(09 Jan 2015, 11:07 pm)Malarkey wrote Of course not as it would be completely illogical, as the Passenger would then have to pay the fare for what Zones they're travelling within.So in reality you're offering a lot more route savers than what you've suggested, and it becomes awfully complex as some services which aren't branded have them while others don't.
(09 Jan 2015, 11:49 pm)Andreos1 wrote When the 96 was removed from the brand it had been in for several years, is it correct that passengers were no longer eligible for the route saver ticket?
If so, their fares went up overnight, with a purple ticket being the only GNE day ticket alternative.
All for the sake of a bus being in a different colour...
(09 Jan 2015, 11:49 pm)Andreos1 wrote When the 96 was removed from the brand it had been in for several years, is it correct that passengers were no longer eligible for the route saver ticket?
If so, their fares went up overnight, with a purple ticket being the only GNE day ticket alternative.
All for the sake of a bus being in a different colour...
(10 Jan 2015, 10:00 am)MurdnunoC wrote Yup. It appears you are correct:
https://web.archive.org/web/201201022011...highwayman (Jan 2nd 2012)
http://www.simplygo.com/all-services/highwayman (Now)