(09 Mar 2015, 6:16 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Independence.

Another that I've always liked is that we would pay exactly the same student fees as International students. Assuming I've got this right, and not wrong, that would mean I would pay less for university, and everyone would be equal. Like someone once said to me - 'money is necessary for survival, not matter how much you have'. My thoughts on it are cheaper things are, no matter how much you have to spare, will always appeal.

Without wanting to come across as racist, I like the whole 'British jobs for British people' idea. Like always, if I expand on that point, I'll end up digging myself a hole...so I'll leave that one there.

Although, having said that, one thing that would worry me was the fact I heard that Nigel Farage doesn't have a degree or further education? Do you know this to be true? I must say, that would put me off slightly.

Independence from what? A complete withdrawal from the EU? Given that picking and choosing the best bits is highly unlikely to be an option...

UKIP also want out of the EFTA and the EEA. This stops foreign workers having the freedom to work in the UK, but people quickly forget that it prevents us from working in the EU. 

They've also made a manifesto commitment to abolish the Department of Culture, Media and Sport, as well as the Department of Energy and Climate Change. I understand people may not see the latter as a big issue, but this policy is nuts...

On student fees. They're saying students from the EU would pay the same as International students, but there's no mention in the manifesto of lower fees for UK students. 

They massively support the creation of 'Free Schools' (sigh... read up on them...), that uphold 'British Values'. I remember a well known dictator who once wanted to impose his country's values on people... 

Two others:
1) "UKIP will withdraw from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights"
2) "We will repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a new British Bill of Rights. The interests of law-abiding citizens & victims will always take precedence over those of criminals. "

Well and truly a return to the dark ages of inequality...

UKIP's immigration policy. An Australian based model: I'm always called a racist for supporting them but what's racist about that

(09 Mar 2015, 6:31 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Oh I see...................#fail. Well that's embarrassing.

That aside, I still agree with independence and the 'British jobs for British people' campaign.

Just to jump in on this, some of the most loyal, hardworking people I have worked with, alongside or 'for me', have been Polish.
Always exceptions to the rule, but I am sure our insiders would agree with the main part of the sentiments. Particularly when they do the jobs locals won't or don't want to do.
Bus operators wouldn't have recruited Polish people, if the natives wanted to do it and do it well.

(09 Mar 2015, 5:32 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Oh I see...................#fail. Well that's embarrassing.


That aside, I still agree with independence and the 'British jobs for British people' campaign.

Now i see why you said what you said below, mind you, i wouldnt have a clue either: 

(09 Mar 2015, 6:31 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Don't think I've ever made a good presence in this thread

Everyone says UKIP won't let anyone in! That is untrue, people who can benifit the country (eg Polish hard workers) canc

(09 Mar 2015, 6:41 pm)leestransportphotos wrote Everyone says UKIP won't let anyone in! That is untrue, people who can benifit the country (eg Polish hard workers) canc

But that's not true is it? Where does it say that in their manifesto?

"UKIP will leave the EU, and take back control of our borders. Work permits will be permitted to fill skills gaps in the UK jobs market."

It's not based on hard working, or where you're from, it's whether we require your skill. Different thing completely.

It's very true. Various point have been raised on there manifesto and Facebook etc

Think I'll just steer clear of politics from now on.

If I try to voice my own views, be they misguided or not - it turns into a shark attack.

(09 Mar 2015, 6:57 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Think I'll just steer clear of politics from now on.

If I try to voice my own views, be they misguided or not - it turns into a shark attack.

You'll never be able to completely avoid politics. They always exist, no matter what the situation, or wherever you are. If you have views on something, I encourage you to stick by them, but it's always wide to read in depth at exactly what the said policies are. Politics are controlled by spin doctors, who put a great media spin on whatever a political party are trying to push for.

The great thing about politics is that we all have our own views, and it's always interesting to debate them. I used to get the 'shark attack' feeling at Labour meetings, because my views on some matters can be too left wing for them.

Try this - https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/. See what you get?

(09 Mar 2015, 11:08 am)Andreos1 wrote Two things annoying me today, but sticking them in here, due to the nature of them.

The first one, relates to Thatcher. Always had my suspicions and now it appears to be true
http://news.sky.com/story/1440761/thatch...ophile-mps

The second 'annoyance', goes to back to a post I made previously about the dictatorship that is the EU and the un-elected President Junker wanting to form an EU army.
http://rt.com/news/238797-eu-joint-army-threat/

Would not surprise if abuse went right to the heart of No.10 with Dennis Thatcher involved in some way...

How would a Pan-European Armed Force work, would it be like the UN when they do peacekeeping, would each country keep there own Forces or would they all be absorbed by the EU Armed Forces...

Is this just Juncker sabre rattling in Russias face, if it went ahead, would EU members be obligated to join and would future entries into the EU be made to join the Pan European Forces as a condition for EU Membership...

(09 Mar 2015, 5:32 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Don't think I've ever made a good presence in this thread, so now may be the time. I have a politically-interested friend who informs me of a lot things, and he is a Conservative-obsessed guy. Very intelligent too, could prove you wrong in a situation he has little knowledge of.

I have always agreed with UKIP's policies, but I fear being seen as a racist. If I had to pick out of the 4 when I first vote - they'll get mine.

My mam's side of the family (primarily coal mining) has always been a (well, there's only her now! ) Labour family - strongly opposed and despising of Conservatives. Her side of the family was literally torn apart during the fights for the pits against Margaret Thatcher.

Whereas my dad's side of the family (which in comparison between him and my mam, he had a much better upbringing in a middle-class environment) has always been Conservative, and opposed to Labour.

A hard battle to fight, but I know for a fact we have always gone with Conservative since Labour got the push out office a few years ago.

My thoughts on the Liberal Democrats: can't stand that Nick Clegg, wanting us to go to school on Saturdays...citaro5284 wouldn't get his reviews for gods sake! On a serious note, I literally can't stand them or anything they stand for.

A lot of lives were ruined by Thatcher in the Miners Strike, families split up and lifelong friendships smashed by what seemed Thatcher using divide and conquer tactics and communities suffered and paid a hefty price, those of us who are older will have witnessed the demise of once proud mining communities...Thatcher was never going to be beaten by the Miners, if she was gonna get beat, I reckon if she were to be beaten she would have taken the country down with her.

As for school on a Saturday, I used to goto school for half day on Saturdays when I went to Choristers in Durham, but anything that deprives Citaro of a Marcus review is bad for bus companies takings, lol

(09 Mar 2015, 6:16 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Independence.

Another that I've always liked is that we would pay exactly the same student fees as International students. Assuming I've got this right, and not wrong, that would mean I would pay less for university, and everyone would be equal. Like someone once said to me - 'money is necessary for survival, not matter how much you have'. My thoughts on it are cheaper things are, no matter how much you have to spare, will always appeal.

Without wanting to come across as racist, I like the whole 'British jobs for British people' idea. Like always, if I expand on that point, I'll end up digging myself a hole...so I'll leave that one there.

Although, having said that, one thing that would worry me was the fact I heard that Nigel Farage doesn't have a degree or further education? Do you know this to be true? I must say, that would put me off slightly.

So I guess you are Euro-Sceptic in your beliefs.

I am almost sure Farage has no further education or university degree, bit he did goto a top Independent School, Dulwich College I think. He went from there to work in the City of London, just because someone never went to college or got a degree would not stop me voting for someone. I personally think Farage is fcukwit and utter c***t, a total ballbag and bell end

I could probably use every swear word known to man to describe what I feel about Big Nige...But I think the same of most politicians

(09 Mar 2015, 6:57 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Think I'll just steer clear of politics from now on.

If I try to voice my own views, be they misguided or not - it turns into a shark attack.

Not sure anyone turned it into a shark attack like.

Just people sharing their experiences and the bigger picture.

Politics bores me.
I don't know the foggiest about it!

(09 Mar 2015, 5:32 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Don't think I've ever made a good presence in this thread, so now may be the time. I have a politically-interested friend who informs me of a lot things, and he is a Conservative-obsessed guy. Very intelligent too, could prove you wrong in a situation he has little knowledge of.

I have always agreed with UKIP's policies, but I fear being seen as a racist. If I had to pick out of the 4 when I first vote - they'll get mine.

My mam's side of the family (primarily coal mining) has always been a (well, there's only her now! ) Labour family - strongly opposed and despising of Conservatives. Her side of the family was literally torn apart during the fights for the pits against Margaret Thatcher.

Whereas my dad's side of the family (which in comparison between him and my mam, he had a much better upbringing in a middle-class environment) has always been Conservative, and opposed to Labour.

A hard battle to fight, but I know for a fact we have always gone with Conservative since Labour got the push out office a few years ago.

My thoughts on the Liberal Democrats: can't stand that Nick Clegg, wanting us to go to school on Saturdays...citaro5284 wouldn't get his reviews for gods sake! On a serious note, I literally can't stand them or anything they stand for.

I wish I was a year older, and I'd be able to vote this year

If I could, I'd vote Labour. I don't like anything the Conservatives stand for, and doing history this year has made me realise that in the early 1900's if it wasn't for the emergence of Labour, the Liberals probably wouldn't have brought about the reforms, after 1906. If it wasn't for that Britain as a country would have been totally unprepared for war, in 1914. The state of the country was appalling after years of the Conservatives looking after only themselves and the upper, landed classes.

The NHS will be nothing like we know it currently is if the Conservatives get in this year again, and I fear that the opinion that many have of Ed Miliband will hinder Labour a little, but at least he never left his kid in a pub...

(09 Mar 2015, 7:04 pm)MrFozz wrote Would not surprise if abuse went right to the heart of No.10 with Dennis Thatcher involved in some way...

How would a Pan-European Armed Force work, would it be like the UN when they do peacekeeping, would each country keep there own Forces or would they all be absorbed by the EU Armed Forces...

Is this just Juncker sabre rattling in Russias face, if it went ahead, would EU members be obligated to join and would future entries into the EU be made to join the Pan European Forces as a condition for EU Membership...



A lot of lives were ruined by Thatcher in the Miners Strike, families split up and lifelong friendships smashed by what seemed Thatcher using divide and conquer tactics and communities suffered and paid a hefty price, those of us who are older will have witnessed the demise of once proud mining communities...Thatcher was never going to be beaten by the Miners, if she was gonna get beat, I reckon if she were to be beaten she would have taken the country down with her.

As for school on a Saturday, I used to goto school for half day on Saturdays when I went to Choristers in Durham, but anything that deprives Citaro of a Marcus review is bad for bus companies takings, lol


So I guess you are Euro-Sceptic in your beliefs.

I am almost sure Farage has no further education or university degree, bit he did goto a top Independent School, Dulwich College I think. He went from there to work in the City of London, just because someone never went to college or got a degree would not stop me voting for someone. I personally think Farage is fcukwit and utter c***t, a total ballbag and bell end

I could probably use every swear word known to man to describe what I feel about Big Nige...But I think the same of most politicians

No idea how the EU army would work.
Probably not thought out at all.

Nowt would surprise me about the establishment back in the 80's.
They always looked after their own and still do.

(09 Mar 2015, 7:06 pm)Tom wrote Politics bores me.
I don't know the foggiest about it!

QCS is politics .

(09 Mar 2015, 7:03 pm)aureolin wrote Try this - https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/. See what you get?

(09 Mar 2015, 7:04 pm)MrFozz wrote A lot of lives were ruined by Thatcher in the Miners Strike, families split up and lifelong friendships smashed by what seemed Thatcher using divide and conquer tactics and communities suffered and paid a hefty price, those of us who are older will have witnessed the demise of once proud mining communities...Thatcher was never going to be beaten by the Miners, if she was gonna get beat, I reckon if she were to be beaten she would have taken the country down with her.

As for school on a Saturday, I used to goto school for half day on Saturdays when I went to Choristers in Durham, but anything that deprives Citaro of a Marcus review is bad for bus companies takings, lol

A lot of strike breakers smashed friendships. I've friends and family that went through extremely difficult times in 84/85, but they made the choice to go hungry, rather than to scab on their mates.

(09 Mar 2015, 7:03 pm)aureolin wrote You'll never be able to completely avoid politics. They always exist, no matter what the situation, or wherever you are. If you have views on something, I encourage you to stick by them, but it's always wide to read in depth at exactly what the said policies are. Politics are controlled by spin doctors, who put a great media spin on whatever a political party are trying to push for.

The great thing about politics is that we all have our own views, and it's always interesting to debate them. I used to get the 'shark attack' feeling at Labour meetings, because my views on some matters can be too left wing for them.

Try this - https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/. See what you get?

I just did that Policy Survey my results were





60% for the Tories 😯

I got 40% UKIP, 30% Labour, 30% Green.

(09 Mar 2015, 7:31 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote I got 40% UKIP, 30% Labour, 30% Green.

UKIP to Green, via Labour. That's some political spectrum you have there mind Marcus.

(09 Mar 2015, 7:23 pm)aureolin wrote A lot of strike breakers smashed friendships. I've friends and family that went through extremely difficult times in 84/85, but they made the choice to go hungry, rather than to scab on their mates.

I have a lot of respect for those who starved and suffered in 84/85, and I respect those who saw it through to the bitter end, I dont agree with strike breaking or have any kind of feeling for scabs(I hate that word btw), it was there own fault for the treatment they have recieved, but some must have been so desperate to feel they had no other choice but to go back to work.

I will never forget what one person told about Scabs...To call someone a scab is akin to calling someone a Murderer, Rapist or Nonce, those guys were literally the lowest of the low...That is why I find it an awful word, only c**t is a worse word in my opinion

(09 Mar 2015, 7:37 pm)aureolin wrote UKIP to Green, via Labour. That's some political spectrum you have there mind Marcus.

Keep it bus-related.

(09 Mar 2015, 7:41 pm)MrFozz wrote I have a lot of respect for those who starved and suffered in 84/85, and I respect those who saw it through to the bitter end, I dont agree with strike breaking or have any kind of feeling for scabs(I hate that word btw), it was there own fault for the treatment they have recieved, but some must have been so desperate to feel they had no other choice but to go back to work.

I will never forget what one person told about Scabs...To call someone a scab is akin to calling someone a Murderer, Rapist or Nonce, those guys were literally the lowest of the low...That is why I find it an awful word, only c**t is a worse word in my opinion

It's not nice mate. I've had people scab on picket lines that I've been on, and I've had to go back to work with them. 

I got 75% UKIP and 25% Lib Dems

(09 Mar 2015, 7:45 pm)leestransportphotos wrote I got 75% UKIP and 25% Lib Dems

60% Conservative, 20% Labour and 20% UKIP for me...Problem there is, I would never vote for David Scumeron, I guess I will be voting Labour as I wont vote for Big Nige either

(09 Mar 2015, 8:32 pm)MrFozz wrote 60% Conservative, 20% Labour and 20% UKIP for me...Problem there is, I would never vote for David Scumeron, I guess I will be voting Labour as I wont vote for Big Nige either

MrFozz... the only Tory in Murton...

(09 Mar 2015, 8:41 pm)aureolin wrote MrFozz... the only Tory in Murton...

Dont swear at me, I am deeply offended and hurt by that remark
Joking aside, I have never ever thought about voting Tory and never would...My dead great granny would rise from the dead and haunt me if I so much as thought of voting for them

Being anti-EU, believing in the need for a decent sized military and being of the opinion that migrant workers shouldn't benefit from the welfare state (initially), may skew my score towards parties that I dislike with a passion and apart from those few policies, have no affinity towards whatsoever.

It should be pretty obvious where my opinions lie on other matters

(09 Mar 2015, 10:29 pm)Andreos1 wrote Being anti-EU, believing in the need for a decent sized military and being of the opinion that migrant workers shouldn't benefit from the welfare state (initially), may skew my score towards parties that I dislike with a passion and apart from those few policies, have no affinity towards whatsoever.

It should be pretty obvious where my opinions lie on other matters

I would say you lean more to the left, am I right

(09 Mar 2015, 10:43 pm)MrFozz wrote I would say you lean more to the left, am I right

...Trotskyist.

I'm definitely right wing. Not racist though.