(28 Mar 2020, 1:42 pm)Storx wrote I was talking more about from a perspective of a finanical point of view.

I do understand what your saying there but the pre-DB Arriva was a hell of a lot worse than the Arriva we have now, this is just a small number of things:

• East Lancs Citizens on Blyth Expresses which you couldn't sit in certain seats as they used to be wet from windows leaking.
  
• Ikarus' on the Blyth Expresses which used to have tape on the windows to force them to shut or it was freezing.
  
• Varios (even known they did have character).
  
• Metroriders, which often ended up on flagship routes which we're battered.
  
• P reg Olympians running Ashington Expresses.
  
• M reg Olympians running Berwick Expresses.
  
• N reg Prismas often running to Whitby / Scarborough.
  
• The ever so reliable Prestige fleet.
  
• Buses which still had interiors pre dating Arriva (1999) - some on flagship routes.
  

From Northumbria's point of view I don't really the issues that people say, okay the darts and solos maybe need replacing but anything else would be just a waste of money as there's nothing wrong with them.

Arguably around here Stagecoach has the oldest fleet and are by far are the least innovate especially considering the routes they have in comparison to half of Arriva and GNE's routes which compete against the Metro or are rural routes.