New green arrow branding on mg Twitter, sorry can’t post link

https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/1176490187641315328



Looks quite smart, very simple, much nicer than the old Green Arrow livery I think

Also looks like they're going for an LCD NSA display rather than the Hanover LED displays, I wonder if that's just for the ADLs

(23 Sep 2019, 8:37 pm)Michael wrote  Does anyone what the fleet numbers of the E200MMC's will be? Will they be 5488 - 5498? Or will they follow 5500 as its a new bus style? Would it be the same as the E400MMC's? As they could order more.

The one MG is showing off is numbered 5495, so I'm guessing 5488-98

(24 Sep 2019, 1:52 pm)streetdeckfan wrote

https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/1176490187641315328



Looks quite smart, very simple, much nicer than the old Green Arrow livery I think

Also looks like they're going for an LCD NSA display rather than the Hanover LED displays, I wonder if that's just for the ADLs






The one MG is showing off is numbered 5495, so I'm guessing 5488-98

Not a fan of it myself. Looks very 80s and bit dated. Previous green arrow (minus the huge arrow) was nicer. Still hoping for return of the highwayman one day.

Also dont understand the Route 97 on the cant rail......its not like any other services are grouped under green arrow....

(24 Sep 2019, 2:31 pm)JP6004 wrote

Not a fan of it myself. Looks very 80s and bit dated. Previous green arrow (minus the huge arrow) was nicer. Still hoping for return of the highwayman one day.

Also dont understand the Route 97 on the cant rail......its not like any other services are grouped under green arrow....

That's probably why I like it, back when things were simpler and music was good! (full disclosure, I was very much not a thing in the 80s)

(24 Sep 2019, 2:43 pm)streetdeckfan wrote

That's probably why I like it, back when things were simpler and music was good! (full disclosure, I was very much not a thing in the 80s)

Yes music is fine but 80s gameshow isn't a good look. The base colours are spot on just not a fan of the logo and its little arrows

(24 Sep 2019, 2:47 pm)JP6004 wrote

Yes music is fine but 80s gameshow isn't a good look. The base colours are spot on just not a fan of the logo and its little arrows

Or 80s TV hosts...

Anyway.... I quite like the logo, they're probably about as big as you can get without covering the windows.

I'm still not sold on the seats though, I think Dan said that they're upgraded from the ones on the demo so won't fall to bits after a few days of use!

(24 Sep 2019, 2:51 pm)streetdeckfan wrote

Or 80s TV hosts...

Anyway.... I quite like the logo, they're probably about as big as you can get without covering the windows.

I'm still not sold on the seats though, I think Dan said that they're upgraded from the ones on the demo so won't fall to bits after a few days of use!

I've not got problem with interior, although does look a bit oxford bis all the red walls and handles. But those triangles and arrows......?

(24 Sep 2019, 3:00 pm)JP6004 wrote

I've not got problem with interior, although does look a bit oxford bis all the red walls and handles. But those triangles and arrows......?

For me, the interior just feels too much like East Yorkshire, it just feels like they were specced out of EY then GNE just decided to keep them

I mean, I do think they went a tad over the top with the amount of arrows they put on the side, but overall I do quite like it

I’m quite disappointed by the new Green Arrows
livery to be honest, and more so what it means is yet to come for other routes.
Where’s the consistency?

Firstly, before the branding went on I was surprised the rear wasn’t blue if I’m honest. I now guess it’s just been a coincidence that all the new local liveries so far have had a blue rear. (2019 Corporate livery, Cobalt & Coast livery & Little Coasters livery). So when I saw the green rear my first reaction was, ‘well that’s not very Go North East!’

Secondly, didn’t they say they wanted the Go North East logo and slogan where it is on Cobalt & Coast’s so that it matched the location of Brighton & Hove’s/Go North West’s etc? However on the Green Arrows the route brand has been put there instead.

Thirdly, where did “Route” 97 come from. The 309/310s don’t include “Route” from what I remember. Not a major issue of course.

Fourthly, I’m just not personally a fan of the fonts they’ve used for the Green Arrow logo or the calling points along the sides. It’s just not as smart simple and modern as the fonts used on the Cobalt & Coast.
I’d have kept the fonts the same across all routes. Having different fonts for each route seems amateurish and we’re no doubt going to end up with some routes having ugly nursery school fonts again like the Toon Link logos.

Fifthly, did they need to clutter little arrows around the route name. They didn’t put little office blocks or waves around the Cobalt & Coast route name.

The lack of consistency is what I find disappointing. I thought they’d turned a corner and were steering away from different cheap amateurish logos and graphics for each route.

Definitely doesn’t “create desire”. ?

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-bus-mak...n-11818680

Not good news, wonder if it will affect GNE’s order of new buses if they go into administration tomorrow


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(24 Sep 2019, 5:47 pm)TEN 6083 wrote https://news.sky.com/story/boris-bus-mak...n-11818680

Not good news, wonder if it will affect GNE’s order of new buses if they go into administration tomorrow


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Not sure it would, think they would have to still build them, due to contracts etc... well i hope so

(24 Sep 2019, 5:58 pm)Michael wrote Not sure it would, think they would have to still build them, due to contracts etc... well i hope so

I think it will be like what has happened with Thomas Cook and everything will cease to operate, I do wonder if Go North East has a back up plan if this was to happen.

iirc correctly Dan mentioned a week or so back Wrightbus have around 60 Streetdecks parked up doing nothing after First cancelled an order, some of those Streetdecks have since been purchased by Rotala (Diamond).

(24 Sep 2019, 5:58 pm)Michael wrote
Not sure it would, think they would have to still build them, due to contracts etc... well i hope so

Buses can still get built when there enter admin, but if there can’t still sell it with an admin appointed then everything ceases and the company closes its doors even with half finished buses inside, then the assets gets sold off cheap to claw back any more.

Ashame go ahead group hasn’t made a bid for it , hasn’t stagecoach has a percentage in a bus manufacturer the one in Scotland or something?

Chinese got a share in Wright?


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(24 Sep 2019, 6:34 pm)Malarkey wrote

I think it will be like what has happened with Thomas Cook and everything will cease to operate, I do wonder if Go North East has a back up plan if this was to happen.

iirc correctly Dan mentioned a week or so back Wrightbus have around 60 Streetdecks parked up doing nothing after First cancelled an order, some of those Streetdecks have since been purchased by Rotala (Diamond).

Yea, Thomas cook never completed the customer contracts of bringing the customers
Back home and left them in limbo


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I fully expect them to go into administration, then for one of the interested parties to buy it. That way they won't have to buy any of the debt. Similar to what Mike Ashley did to House of Fraser.

That's what I would do anyway

(24 Sep 2019, 5:58 pm)Michael wrote Not sure it would, think they would have to still build them, due to contracts etc... well i hope so

Management buy-out perhaps?

It's happened before and will probably happen again in the future.

Optare took a stack of MCW designs and did their own thing.

Then if you look at how Optare came out of the Leyland/Charles Roe Leeds closure and then the follow up to United Bus.

Pretty sure Plaxton survived after the collapse of Transbus, with a management buyout too.

The tools, designs and jigs of Wrightbus will be worth something to someone.

(24 Sep 2019, 2:31 pm)JP6004 wrote

Not a fan of it myself. Looks very 80s and bit dated. Previous green arrow (minus the huge arrow) was nicer. Still hoping for return of the highwayman one day.

Also dont understand the Route 97 on the cant rail......its not like any other services are grouped under green arrow....

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(24 Sep 2019, 7:25 pm)Andreos1 wrote

Management buy-out perhaps?

It's happened before and will probably happen again in the future.

Optare took a stack of MCW designs and did their own thing.

Then if you look at how Optare came out of the Leyland/Charles Roe Leeds closure and then the follow up to United Bus.

Pretty sure Plaxton survived after the collapse of Transbus, with a management buyout too.

The tools, designs and jigs of Wrightbus will be worth something to someone.

Perhaps, but like I said I don't expect anything to happen before they go in to administration.

I'd imagine any interested party would want to get out of the warranty contracts for the 'Boris Buses' though considering how unreliable they apparently are

The difference is Thomas Cook when into liquidation hence ceased trading immediately, if Wrightbus go into administration they can continue to trade until a buyer is found or the administrator winds up the company.

(24 Sep 2019, 8:21 pm)garym67 wrote

The difference is Thomas Cook when into liquidation hence ceased trading immediately, if Wrightbus go into administration they can continue to trade until a buyer is found or the administrator winds up the company.

Thank you for clarifying. Thinking back when HMV went into administration, they sold the stock they had but no new orders were made. I'd imagine Wright would continue to build the buses on order but would take no further requests

(24 Sep 2019, 8:34 pm)JP6004 wrote

Thank you for clarifying. Thinking back when HMV went into administration, they sold the stock they had but no new orders were made. I'd imagine Wright would continue to build the buses on order but would take no further requests

Same when Maplin and Poundworld went into administration. I spent far too much money in there buying things for literally pennies.

I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to taking a Streetdeck off their hands for £50!

(24 Sep 2019, 8:37 pm)streetdeckfan wrote

Same when Maplin and Poundworld went into administration. I spent far too much money in there buying things for literally pennies.

I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to taking a Streetdeck off their hands for £50!

Yes I do like the streetdeck above all other DD offering on the market. I really hope wright come through this. Yes the streetlite, in my opinion was a flop, poor build and quality. I dont know what the B8s are like but the recent streetdecks from 2017 seem well made and of high quality

Chances are that the buses being built by Wrights at the moment will likely be without warrenty as was the case when Transbus folded 15 years ago.

(24 Sep 2019, 9:10 pm)Rapidsnap wrote Chances are that the buses being built by Wrights at the moment will likely be without warrenty as was the case when Transbus folded 15 years ago.

AFAIK they aren't building any, there's Streetdecks sat seat and windowless as they can't afford them.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/201...rn-ireland

Well, they've gone into administration. Looks to me the chances of GNE getting the Streetdecks are going to be fairly slim. Let's just hope they get them so we don't get stuck with E400s!

(25 Sep 2019, 10:29 am)streetdeckfan wrote https://www.theguardian.com/business/201...rn-ireland

Well, they've gone into administration. Looks to me the chances of GNE getting the Streetdecks are going to be fairly slim. Let's just hope they get them so we don't get stuck with E400s!

I hope we do get E400MMC's instead of them, alot better than streetdecks imo

(25 Sep 2019, 11:11 am)Citaro5326 wrote

I hope we do get E400MMC's instead of them, alot better than streetdecks imo

I do have to disagree with you there, the only positive thing I can say about the E400 is that the engine is smoother than the StreetDeck's.

In terms of quality, the StreetDecks (the new ones at least) are far superior, the ride is better on actual roads (the E400 is smoother when the roads are nice, but they rarely are).

Plus, I think the StreetDeck looks far better, it might look like a frog (especially in green!), but at least it doesn't look like it's had an allergic reaction and it's face has swollen up!

(24 Sep 2019, 4:22 pm)ne14ne1 wrote I’m quite disappointed by the new Green Arrows
livery to be honest, and more so what it means is yet to come for other routes.
Where’s the consistency?

Firstly, before the branding went on I was surprised the rear wasn’t blue if I’m honest. I now guess it’s just been a coincidence that all the new local liveries so far have had a blue rear. (2019 Corporate livery, Cobalt & Coast livery & Little Coasters livery). So when I saw the green rear my first reaction was, ‘well that’s not very Go North East!’

Secondly, didn’t they say they wanted the Go North East logo and slogan where it is on Cobalt & Coast’s so that it matched the location of Brighton & Hove’s/Go North West’s etc? However on the Green Arrows the route brand has been put there instead.

Thirdly, where did “Route” 97 come from. The 309/310s don’t include “Route” from what I remember. Not a major issue of course.

Fourthly, I’m just not personally a fan of the fonts they’ve used for the Green Arrow logo or the calling points along the sides. It’s just not as smart simple and modern as the fonts used on the Cobalt & Coast.
I’d have kept the fonts the same across all routes. Having different fonts for each route seems amateurish and we’re no doubt going to end up with some routes having ugly nursery school fonts again like the Toon Link logos.

Fifthly, did they need to clutter little arrows around the route name. They didn’t put little office blocks or waves around the Cobalt & Coast route name.

The lack of consistency is what I find disappointing. I thought they’d turned a corner and were steering away from different cheap amateurish logos and graphics for each route.

Definitely doesn’t “create desire”. ?

I have to say, I disagree with you.

I think it's a nicely designed brand.

Where's the consistency? The consistency is in the two lines, coming down from the roof, that is what ties the branded buses together, and creates a Go North East identity. Not the blue rear, as for the blue rear on Cobalt & Coast, Little Coaster's etc, isn't that because, well, they serve the coast??

(25 Sep 2019, 11:56 am)LeeCalder wrote
I have to say, I disagree with you.

I think it's a nicely designed brand.

Where's the consistency? The consistency is in the two lines, coming down from the roof, that is what ties the branded buses together, and creates a Go North East identity. Not the blue rear, as for the blue rear on Cobalt & Coast, Little Coaster's etc, isn't that because, well, they serve the coast??

I always assumed that the rears would change colour with the different brands. I do think they went a bit over the top with the amount of arrows, but overall I think it's a very nice, simple design!

(25 Sep 2019, 11:56 am)LeeCalder wrote I have to say, I disagree with you. I think it's a nicely designed brand. Where's the consistency? The consistency is in the two lines, coming down from the roof, that is what ties the branded buses together, and creates a Go North East identity. Not the blue rear, as for the blue rear on Cobalt & Coast, Little Coaster's etc, isn't that because, well, they serve the coast??

Could well be, as I say I initially thought it was to be in line in with the 2019 Corp livery.

You’d think there’d be more consistency to build up an easily identifiable brand than purely the road-strip markings, which aren’t even immediately noticeable on the the new Green Arrows livery.

(25 Sep 2019, 12:45 pm)ne14ne1 wrote

Could well be, as I say I initially thought it was to be in line in with the 2019 Corp livery.

You’d think there’d be more consistency to build up an easily identifiable brand than purely the road-strip markings, which aren’t even immediately noticeable on the the new Green Arrows livery.

The roadstripe is the common theme in the brand, not the colours.