Strike Action
Strike Action
The pay rate is the headline, but it is far from the ultimate benchmark.
The consideration of paid breaks (still exist for large proportion of drivers in Durham County for example), plus the black and white rules around paid time (some operators only pay actual platform time, others pay shift time etc).
Only when you build that picture up, do you truly understand the value of the role.
For example, a lower rate paid right through can actually work out better value than a high rate, only paid when you are physically sat in the cab. Both duties might be 10 hours, with 8.5. hours driving time. Driver on £13.50 paid through gets £135. Driver on £15 only paid for platform time gets £127.50. Exactly the same length of time spent essentially at work. Don't be seduced by the rate.
That doesn't for one minute suggest that 4% is or isn't a fair deal, but a simple comparison of pay rates is not a barometer.
(23 Mar 2024, 8:43 pm)RobinHood The pay rate is the headline, but it is far from the ultimate benchmark.
The consideration of paid breaks (still exist for large proportion of drivers in Durham County for example), plus the black and white rules around paid time (some operators only pay actual platform time, others pay shift time etc).
Only when you build that picture up, do you truly understand the value of the role.
For example, a lower rate paid right through can actually work out better value than a high rate, only paid when you are physically sat in the cab. Both duties might be 10 hours, with 8.5. hours driving time. Driver on £13.50 paid through gets £135. Driver on £15 only paid for platform time gets £127.50. Exactly the same length of time spent essentially at work. Don't be seduced by the rate.
That doesn't for one minute suggest that 4% is or isn't a fair deal, but a simple comparison of pay rates is not a barometer.
(23 Mar 2024, 8:43 pm)RobinHood The pay rate is the headline, but it is far from the ultimate benchmark.
The consideration of paid breaks (still exist for large proportion of drivers in Durham County for example), plus the black and white rules around paid time (some operators only pay actual platform time, others pay shift time etc).
Only when you build that picture up, do you truly understand the value of the role.
For example, a lower rate paid right through can actually work out better value than a high rate, only paid when you are physically sat in the cab. Both duties might be 10 hours, with 8.5. hours driving time. Driver on £13.50 paid through gets £135. Driver on £15 only paid for platform time gets £127.50. Exactly the same length of time spent essentially at work. Don't be seduced by the rate.
That doesn't for one minute suggest that 4% is or isn't a fair deal, but a simple comparison of pay rates is not a barometer.
(23 Mar 2024, 8:43 pm)RobinHood The pay rate is the headline, but it is far from the ultimate benchmark.
The consideration of paid breaks (still exist for large proportion of drivers in Durham County for example), plus the black and white rules around paid time (some operators only pay actual platform time, others pay shift time etc).
Only when you build that picture up, do you truly understand the value of the role.
For example, a lower rate paid right through can actually work out better value than a high rate, only paid when you are physically sat in the cab. Both duties might be 10 hours, with 8.5. hours driving time. Driver on £13.50 paid through gets £135. Driver on £15 only paid for platform time gets £127.50. Exactly the same length of time spent essentially at work. Don't be seduced by the rate.
That doesn't for one minute suggest that 4% is or isn't a fair deal, but a simple comparison of pay rates is not a barometer.
(23 Mar 2024, 8:43 pm)RobinHood The pay rate is the headline, but it is far from the ultimate benchmark.
The consideration of paid breaks (still exist for large proportion of drivers in Durham County for example), plus the black and white rules around paid time (some operators only pay actual platform time, others pay shift time etc).
Only when you build that picture up, do you truly understand the value of the role.
For example, a lower rate paid right through can actually work out better value than a high rate, only paid when you are physically sat in the cab. Both duties might be 10 hours, with 8.5. hours driving time. Driver on £13.50 paid through gets £135. Driver on £15 only paid for platform time gets £127.50. Exactly the same length of time spent essentially at work. Don't be seduced by the rate.
That doesn't for one minute suggest that 4% is or isn't a fair deal, but a simple comparison of pay rates is not a barometer.
(23 Mar 2024, 8:50 pm)Storx Yeah valid points, must admit I thought paid driver breaks were long gone across the whole of Arriva North East, if I had to be honest. So wasn't really something I thought about.They are in Northumbria, but not completely in Durham County. Northumbria have a maximum 45 minutes sign off.
(23 Mar 2024, 8:50 pm)Storx Yeah valid points, must admit I thought paid driver breaks were long gone across the whole of Arriva North East, if I had to be honest. So wasn't really something I thought about.They are in Northumbria, but not completely in Durham County. Northumbria have a maximum 45 minutes sign off.
(20 Mar 2024, 1:35 pm)mb134 Apologies, it's £11.46 after training at the moment (£11.19 during training, which you'd assume would legally have to increase). It's around a £5.5k difference over the course of a year compared to GNE and Stagecoach - why would anyone with a licence join Arriva?
(20 Mar 2024, 1:35 pm)mb134 Apologies, it's £11.46 after training at the moment (£11.19 during training, which you'd assume would legally have to increase). It's around a £5.5k difference over the course of a year compared to GNE and Stagecoach - why would anyone with a licence join Arriva?
(23 Mar 2024, 3:07 pm)Storx 10% is completely unreasonable. Inflation was 4% in December 2023 so anything above that is a good deal on paper.
Just because the union was a waste of space for years and accepting poor deals doesn't give them the right imo now to suddenly want double inflation deals.
(I'm not saying 4% is fair either)
(23 Mar 2024, 8:43 pm)RobinHood The pay rate is the headline, but it is far from the ultimate benchmark.
The consideration of paid breaks (still exist for large proportion of drivers in Durham County for example), plus the black and white rules around paid time (some operators only pay actual platform time, others pay shift time etc).
Only when you build that picture up, do you truly understand the value of the role.
For example, a lower rate paid right through can actually work out better value than a high rate, only paid when you are physically sat in the cab. Both duties might be 10 hours, with 8.5. hours driving time. Driver on £13.50 paid through gets £135. Driver on £15 only paid for platform time gets £127.50. Exactly the same length of time spent essentially at work. Don't be seduced by the rate.
That doesn't for one minute suggest that 4% is or isn't a fair deal, but a simple comparison of pay rates is not a barometer.
(23 Mar 2024, 3:07 pm)Storx 10% is completely unreasonable. Inflation was 4% in December 2023 so anything above that is a good deal on paper.
Just because the union was a waste of space for years and accepting poor deals doesn't give them the right imo now to suddenly want double inflation deals.
(I'm not saying 4% is fair either)
(23 Mar 2024, 8:43 pm)RobinHood The pay rate is the headline, but it is far from the ultimate benchmark.
The consideration of paid breaks (still exist for large proportion of drivers in Durham County for example), plus the black and white rules around paid time (some operators only pay actual platform time, others pay shift time etc).
Only when you build that picture up, do you truly understand the value of the role.
For example, a lower rate paid right through can actually work out better value than a high rate, only paid when you are physically sat in the cab. Both duties might be 10 hours, with 8.5. hours driving time. Driver on £13.50 paid through gets £135. Driver on £15 only paid for platform time gets £127.50. Exactly the same length of time spent essentially at work. Don't be seduced by the rate.
That doesn't for one minute suggest that 4% is or isn't a fair deal, but a simple comparison of pay rates is not a barometer.
(02 Apr 2024, 2:28 pm)Chris 1 Suspended whilst Unite take a revised offer back to their members, as per the Arriva North East facebook page.
(02 Apr 2024, 2:28 pm)Chris 1 Suspended whilst Unite take a revised offer back to their members, as per the Arriva North East facebook page.
(02 Apr 2024, 8:00 pm)Storx Guessing it must be a reletively positive offer, which might be accepted, since they've suspended the strike action.
(02 Apr 2024, 8:00 pm)Storx Guessing it must be a reletively positive offer, which might be accepted, since they've suspended the strike action.
(02 Apr 2024, 8:00 pm)Storx Guessing it must be a reletively positive offer, which might be accepted, since they've suspended the strike action.
I know we all have our feeling about Arriva, and rightly so, but it's nice it appears they actually want to avoid the strike, unlike other companies in the North East and also rail services which were more interested in playing high school politics.
(02 Apr 2024, 8:00 pm)Storx Guessing it must be a reletively positive offer, which might be accepted, since they've suspended the strike action.
I know we all have our feeling about Arriva, and rightly so, but it's nice it appears they actually want to avoid the strike, unlike other companies in the North East and also rail services which were more interested in playing high school politics.
(02 Apr 2024, 9:06 pm)Andreos1 Conversely, I think it's concerning management have caved in this early.
It's as though they knew what it would take to keep the drivers happy.
Why not offer them it initially?
Why wait until it gets to this stage and potential disruption in addition to miscontent and apathy in the workforce?
(02 Apr 2024, 9:06 pm)Andreos1 Conversely, I think it's concerning management have caved in this early.
It's as though they knew what it would take to keep the drivers happy.
Why not offer them it initially?
Why wait until it gets to this stage and potential disruption in addition to miscontent and apathy in the workforce?
(02 Apr 2024, 9:06 pm)Andreos1 Conversely, I think it's concerning management have caved in this early.
It's as though they knew what it would take to keep the drivers happy.
Why not offer them it initially?
Why wait until it gets to this stage and potential disruption in addition to miscontent and apathy in the workforce?
(02 Apr 2024, 9:06 pm)Andreos1 Conversely, I think it's concerning management have caved in this early.
It's as though they knew what it would take to keep the drivers happy.
Why not offer them it initially?
Why wait until it gets to this stage and potential disruption in addition to miscontent and apathy in the workforce?
(02 Apr 2024, 11:59 pm)Adrian I don't understand why companies do it. As you suggest, it causes more disruption in the workplace than most other things would.
It often feels like it's being used to buy time, knowing how long it takes to go through ballots etc, but I've also known companies use the ballot as a measuring stick. Getting a high turnout is always important, as it gives the company a clear indication that the workforce are united on the issue.
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(02 Apr 2024, 11:59 pm)Adrian I don't understand why companies do it. As you suggest, it causes more disruption in the workplace than most other things would.
It often feels like it's being used to buy time, knowing how long it takes to go through ballots etc, but I've also known companies use the ballot as a measuring stick. Getting a high turnout is always important, as it gives the company a clear indication that the workforce are united on the issue.
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(02 Apr 2024, 11:59 pm)Adrian I don't understand why companies do it. As you suggest, it causes more disruption in the workplace than most other things would.
It often feels like it's being used to buy time, knowing how long it takes to go through ballots etc, but I've also known companies use the ballot as a measuring stick. Getting a high turnout is always important, as it gives the company a clear indication that the workforce are united on the issue.
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(02 Apr 2024, 11:59 pm)Adrian I don't understand why companies do it. As you suggest, it causes more disruption in the workplace than most other things would.
It often feels like it's being used to buy time, knowing how long it takes to go through ballots etc, but I've also known companies use the ballot as a measuring stick. Getting a high turnout is always important, as it gives the company a clear indication that the workforce are united on the issue.
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Looks like the strike is back on.
Perhaps our very own and thoroughly pleasant Daniel will be on hand to provide short-noticed replacements, assuming he's not out parading in front of the bus media, getting his photo taken?
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(05 Apr 2024, 4:13 pm)MurdnunoC Looks like the strike is back on.
Perhaps our very own and thoroughly pleasant Daniel will be on hand to provide short-noticed replacements, assuming he's not out parading in front of the bus media, getting his photo taken?
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(05 Apr 2024, 4:13 pm)MurdnunoC Looks like the strike is back on.
Perhaps our very own and thoroughly pleasant Daniel will be on hand to provide short-noticed replacements, assuming he's not out parading in front of the bus media, getting his photo taken?
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(17 Apr 2024, 11:34 am)Chris 1 Not sure if this has just passed me by - is this still happening next week? I can't seem to see any updates since they said they were suspending the first week whilst they took an offer back.
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(17 Apr 2024, 11:34 am)Chris 1 Not sure if this has just passed me by - is this still happening next week? I can't seem to see any updates since they said they were suspending the first week whilst they took an offer back.
