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RE: East Coast Main Line
(21 Mar 2019, 8:17 pm)Malarkey wrote Does anyone know how many of the Azuma's are now in service?

None in passenger service yet.....15th May is the start date for services between London and Leeds/Hull
RE: East Coast Main Line
(21 Mar 2019, 8:21 pm)citaro5284 wrote None in passenger service yet.....15th May is the start date for services between London and Leeds/Hull

Thanks, So basically LNER will be phasing them in which will mean those used for London and Newcastle/Edinburgh services will be at a later date than 15th May.
RE: East Coast Main Line
(21 Mar 2019, 8:28 pm)Malarkey wrote Thanks, So basically LNER will be phasing them in which will mean those used for London and Newcastle/Edinburgh services will be at a later date than 15th May.

Might not even by the end of the year.

Gonna be working the Yorkshire routes first, before they get further north. 
Imagine it's a similar process to the class 91 introduction.

https://www.railpro.co.uk/news/firstgrou...-edinburgh

Looks like the open access from First is going ahead.
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RE: East Coast Main Line
(21 Mar 2019, 8:34 pm)Andreos1 wrote Might not even by the end of the year.

Gonna be working the Yorkshire routes first, before they get further north. 
Imagine it's a similar process to the class 91 introduction.

https://www.railpro.co.uk/news/firstgrou...-edinburgh

Looks like the open access from First is going ahead.

I'm sure one of the London-Leeds runs end up doing London to Edinburgh during the evening getting up here just after 8pm.

Hopefully the low cost offering from First will spark the likes of LNER to make their fares more reasonably priced in order to provide a bit of competition between London and Edinburgh.
RE: East Coast Main Line
https://www.railmagazine.com/news/networ...-wish-list

Interesting comment regarding the 2021 timetable. Competition will have to get going pretty quick for this turn around...

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RE: East Coast Main Line

A TPX 185 was involved in an incident this morning at Croxdale Viaduct.

Not sure of the id, but there was a reported on board fire.


Seen a couple of photos and it looks like it was towards the front of the set and in the roof area.

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RE: East Coast Main Line

(09 Oct 2019, 1:49 pm)Andreos1 wrote

A TPX 185 was involved in an incident this morning at Croxdale Viaduct.

Not sure of the id, but there was a reported on board fire.


Seen a couple of photos and it looks like it was towards the front of the set and in the roof area.



185108 on 1P17.

RE: East Coast Main Line
(12 Jun 2021, 10:52 am)citaro5284 wrote XC published one yesterday too...
https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/med...VoCJtOXtOo
I pity all the civil servants moving up to Darlington - London trains reduced from 4 per 2 hours to 3 per 2 hours, and one of the Manchester trains withdrawn completely!
Darlington to York drops from 6 trains per hour to 4.5 trains per hour (33% cut).
RE: East Coast Main Line
(12 Jun 2021, 12:47 pm)busmanT wrote I pity all the civil servants moving up to Darlington - London trains reduced from 4 per 2 hours to 3 per 2 hours, and one of the Manchester trains withdrawn completely!
Darlington to York drops from 6 trains per hour to 4.5 trains per hour (33% cut).

I see in the TPE document it is more or less saying, well these changes are nowt to do with us...blame LNER, followed by a long list of curtailed or cancelled services because of it....

At the May 2022 timetable change the core timetable for the East Coast Main Line will be amended to accommodate additional services operated by LNER.

The through Edinburgh Waverley – Morpeth – Newcastle – Liverpool Lime Street via York hourly service will be withdrawn between Edinburgh – Newcastle and will only operate between Newcastle – Liverpool Lime Street

The planned one-year only withdrawal at December 2019 to calls between Manchester Victoria – Manchester Airport on the Newcastle – Manchester Airport service will continue. However, the Newcastle – York portion of this train will also be withdrawn at May 2022. The effect is that the previous Newcastle – Manchester Airport service is reduced to a York – Manchester Victoria service at May 2022

The effect of the two changes above is that there will be a reduction from two trains per hour to one train per hour operated by TransPennine Express between Newcastle, Durham and Darlington to York, Leeds, Huddersfield and Manchester

Morpeth will have a reduction in calls and connectivity compared with the December 2019 timetable, seeing previous hourly calls to Edinburgh Waverley, Newcastle, Durham, Darlington, York, Leeds, Huddersfield, Manchester and Liverpool withdrawn

A number of southbound calls in the current Redcar Central – Manchester Airport service at Northallerton have been withdrawn, providing a call every two hours

The dwell time of the current Redcar Central – Manchester Airport service at York has been increased to circa six minutes, increasing the overall through journey time

A reduction from two calls per hour to one call per hour at Darlington and Durham by our services. In addition, Darlington and Durham will have their direct trains to Manchester Airport withdrawn, while the number of services between Darlington to Newcastle and Edinburgh Waverley are also reduced

The peak time 0651 train from Newcastle – Manchester/Liverpool has its journey time increased by 10 minutes and the call in this service at Chester-le-Street is withdrawn

Calls at Garforth currently made by TransPennine Express are transferred to the Northern operated York – Blackpool North service, meaning there are no direct trains from Garforth to Manchester

Connectivity to Manchester Airport from York, Leeds and Huddersfield is reduced from two trains per hour to one train per hour
RE: East Coast Main Line
(12 Jun 2021, 1:46 pm)citaro5284 wrote  
I see in the TPE document it is more or less saying, well these changes are nowt to do with us...blame LNER, followed by a long list of curtailed or cancelled services because of it....
 

At the May 2022 timetable change the core timetable for the East Coast Main Line will be amended to accommodate additional services operated by LNER.

The through Edinburgh Waverley – Morpeth – Newcastle – Liverpool Lime Street via York hourly service will be withdrawn between Edinburgh – Newcastle and will only operate between Newcastle – Liverpool Lime Street

The planned one-year only withdrawal at December 2019 to calls between Manchester Victoria – Manchester Airport on the Newcastle – Manchester Airport service will continue. However, the Newcastle – York portion of this train will also be withdrawn at May 2022. The effect is that the previous Newcastle – Manchester Airport service is reduced to a York – Manchester Victoria service at May 2022

The effect of the two changes above is that there will be a reduction from two trains per hour to one train per hour operated by TransPennine Express between Newcastle, Durham and Darlington to York, Leeds, Huddersfield and Manchester

Morpeth will have a reduction in calls and connectivity compared with the December 2019 timetable, seeing previous hourly calls to Edinburgh Waverley, Newcastle, Durham, Darlington, York, Leeds, Huddersfield, Manchester and Liverpool withdrawn

A number of southbound calls in the current Redcar Central – Manchester Airport service at Northallerton have been withdrawn, providing a call every two hours

The dwell time of the current Redcar Central – Manchester Airport service at York has been increased to circa six minutes, increasing the overall through journey time

A reduction from two calls per hour to one call per hour at Darlington and Durham by our services. In addition, Darlington and Durham will have their direct trains to Manchester Airport withdrawn, while the number of services between Darlington to Newcastle and Edinburgh Waverley are also reduced

The peak time 0651 train from Newcastle – Manchester/Liverpool has its journey time increased by 10 minutes and the call in this service at Chester-le-Street is withdrawn

Calls at Garforth currently made by TransPennine Express are transferred to the Northern operated York – Blackpool North service, meaning there are no direct trains from Garforth to Manchester

Connectivity to Manchester Airport from York, Leeds and Huddersfield is reduced from two trains per hour to one train per hour

Also of note (but barely mentioned), is the new open access route.
That is obviously having an impact on track space.

Dunno if anyone noticed, but it looks like the LNER Sunderland extension is disappearing too.
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RE: East Coast Main Line
(12 Jun 2021, 2:11 pm)Andreos1 wrote Also of note (but barely mentioned), is the new open access route.
That is obviously having an impact on track space.

Dunno if anyone noticed, but it looks like the LNER Sunderland extension is disappearing too.

First East Coasts service already in the current timetables, reductions for  everyone else to allow LNER to run even more.
RE: East Coast Main Line
(12 Jun 2021, 12:47 pm)busmanT wrote I pity all the civil servants moving up to Darlington - London trains reduced from 4 per 2 hours to 3 per 2 hours, and one of the Manchester trains withdrawn completely!
Darlington to York drops from 6 trains per hour to 4.5 trains per hour (33% cut).
It seems as though the implementation of the new timetable has been delayed by a year or more due to the outcry at the proposals which are mainly just to allow LNER to get to Edinburgh 15 minutes faster than they do now.
RE: East Coast Main Line
(12 Sep 2021, 7:25 am)IRHardy wrote It seems as though the implementation of the new timetable has been delayed by a year or more due to the outcry at the proposals which are mainly just to allow LNER to get to Edinburgh 15 minutes faster than they do now.
That's due to no upgrade of OLE north of Newcastle. Still... There ain't enough juice..
RE: East Coast Main Line
(17 Dec 2021, 12:27 pm)Andreos1 wrote https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-59696134

Push to re-open Consett rail link and connect with ECML.

Sounds like the congestion-busting buses of North West Durham aren't doing it for Dicky.

In seriousness, and whilst I can't see either happening, the Annfield Plain/Stanley route is probably the better option, but you then hit the hurdle of how many paths they're likely to be given on the ECML, where it would join around Birtley. It's already over-congested with no light at the end of the tunnel, thanks to the Tories already kicking the much more widely-supported Leamside reopening into the long grass. That of course impacts the likely frequency along the line.

The frequency can of course reduce any benefits gained from journey time, but I'd be interested in what they'd anticipate as a journey time between Consett and Newcastle. Whilst the X70/X71 aren't exactly the quickest routes, I think we'd see them become a lot quicker faced with competition from a train.

I just can't see the business case stacking up here, and I think its nothing more than a token gesture from the politicians.
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RE: East Coast Main Line
(17 Dec 2021, 1:22 pm)Adrian wrote Sounds like the congestion-busting buses of North West Durham aren't doing it for Dicky.

In seriousness, and whilst I can't see either happening, the Annfield Plain/Stanley route is probably the better option, but you then hit the hurdle of how many paths they're likely to be given on the ECML, where it would join around Birtley. It's already over-congested with no light at the end of the tunnel, thanks to the Tories already kicking the much more widely-supported Leamside reopening into the long grass. That of course impacts the likely frequency along the line.

The frequency can of course reduce any benefits gained from journey time, but I'd be interested in what they'd anticipate as a journey time between Consett and Newcastle. Whilst the X70/X71 aren't exactly the quickest routes, I think we'd see them become a lot quicker faced with competition from a train.

I just can't see the business case stacking up here, and I think its nothing more than a token gesture from the politicians.

My own thoughts were immediately focused on reinstating the slow lines between Pelaw Grange and Team Valley. That would help massively in this scenario. 
If I remember right, they were pulled up around 88/89 when electrification happened. 

Like you say, I can't see the business case stacking up. Which is unfortunate.
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RE: East Coast Main Line
They can push as much as they like, it won't happen, like the far greater need of the Leamside. This regime has shown itself to be nothing but a deceitful, false promise and sound byte responsive vessel. Consett via South Pelaw is ridiculous, a monumental civil engineering prospect. Only via Lintz is feasible until you hit Swalwell.. Then what..
RE: East Coast Main Line
Pie in the sky idea and there's no economic reason to build it either. There's other towns in the North East which are much higher priority Washington for example or the West End of Newcastle or South side of Sunderland both which would offer a much better return for not much difference in costs since it's just building a new line. Other than Stanley, there's nothing between Consett and Newcastle.

I live near the B&T line and the only reason that works is because the line already exists so it's easier and much much cheaper to do.
RE: East Coast Main Line
(17 Dec 2021, 6:49 pm)Storx wrote Pie in the sky idea and there's no economic reason to build it either. There's other towns in the North East which are much higher priority Washington for example or the West End of Newcastle or South side of Sunderland both which would offer a much better return for not much difference in costs since it's just building a new line. Other than Stanley, there's nothing between Consett and Newcastle.

I live near the B&T line and the only reason that works is because the line already exists so it's easier and much much cheaper to do.
Absolutely, and the B&T project has been watered down already, no relaying and bed work, so speeds are going to be slower than claimed as well.

We won't get the rail network we need, just as much as we won't get a bus network that works..
RE: East Coast Main Line
(19 Jun 2022, 9:30 am)Andreos1 wrote https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2022-...nt-support

New station for Ferryhill?

I'm not convinced how successful it'll be, without it being part of a reopened Leamside line. Other than maybe diverting the existing two morning Northern services that already run the ECML, they're very unlikely to get a regular service pattern heading North.
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RE: East Coast Main Line
(19 Jun 2022, 11:37 am)Adrian wrote I'm not convinced how successful it'll be, without it being part of a reopened Leamside line. Other than maybe diverting the existing two morning Northern services that already run the ECML, they're very unlikely to get a regular service pattern heading North.
I think there's mention of it working in sync with the Stillington Line. Maybe Northern Connect (if/when that ever appears) and TPX would be the main players. 
I agree about the Leamside Line, but having ECML calling patterns would only be a good thing.

It would be interesting to see how it fits in and around existing infrastructure.
Maybe similar to the set up at Dunbar.
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