Orange...screams airport bus

(08 Sep 2017, 9:08 pm)Ambassador wrote Orange...screams airport bus

Or Tynedale Express

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(08 Sep 2017, 5:17 pm)Ambassador wrote Obviously a result of the disruption in Durham today but there's more Angels in Gateshead at the moment than there are in heaven ?

Well I got the slightly delayed on departure 16:17 from ES (I had considered getting the ill fated X9 and begging husband for a lift from Peterlee, before getting on it and 2 X21s hadn't shown and the X12 that I just missed and assumed to be just a few minutes late was actually an hour late!) and it arrived in Durham just a few minutes before another one. (2.5 hours from the Dental school to home - I was knackered!)

Oh 5300 has since gained fleetnames and fleetnumbers since I photoed it this morning. Was two mechanics reattaching those yellow wheel nut indicators when I photoed it.

The mercs really do suit orange,reminds me of when they repainted the citylink mercs orange for the old diamond

Just came out of where I live in Hexham near GNE Depot and there is a Saltwell Park bus parked up outside the Depot.


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Severe disruption in Newcastle city centre. Metro are accepting GNE bus tickets between Gateshead and Haymarket.

https://www.facebook.com/simplyGNE/posts...2749160710

No update from Arriva, so I assume they're attempting to access Newcastle or making their passengers walk or pay for Metro...

Now the QR system is rolled out and it's possible for Big Brother at GNE Towers to see a lot more about our journey/travel patterns, I wonder what sort of changes we will see?

The optimist in me, reckons we will see the return of more direct services and a reduction on services working the hub & spoke model.

The realist in me, reckons we will see further reductions in services and even more consolidation.

(09 Sep 2017, 2:36 pm)Andreos1 wrote Now the QR system is rolled out and it's possible for Big Brother at GNE Towers to see a lot more about our journey/travel patterns, I wonder what sort of changes we will see?

The optimist in me, reckons we will see the return of more direct services and a reduction on services working the hub & spoke model.

The realist in me, reckons we will see further reductions in services and even more consolidation.

I would have thought any bus/rail company that use smart cards would be able to see journey patterns just as much.  
Just look at the supermarkets - Sainsburys knows exactly what I buy.

(09 Sep 2017, 2:42 pm)citaro5284 wrote I would have thought any bus/rail company that use smart cards would be able to see journey patterns just as much.  
Just look at the supermarkets - Sainsburys knows exactly what I buy.

That's the difference, previously cash payers were essentially anonymous once they bought their day/week/month ticket.
They could board a bus, wave the ticket at the driver, use any service, have all sorts of patterns and the operator had no idea where or when it was used.

A cash payer now, could have their travel patterns analysed in a lot more detail.

(09 Sep 2017, 2:14 pm)omnicity4659 wrote Severe disruption in Newcastle city centre. Metro are accepting GNE bus tickets between Gateshead and Haymarket.

https://www.facebook.com/simplyGNE/posts...2749160710

No update from Arriva, so I assume they're attempting to access Newcastle or making their passengers walk or pay for Metro...

Arriva are bad at communicating these things. Not a dicky bird about yesterday's disruption in Durham.

(08 Sep 2017, 9:21 pm)BusLoverMum wrote Or Tynedale Express

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Well I got the slightly delayed on departure 16:17 from ES (I had considered getting the ill fated X9 and begging husband for a lift from Peterlee, before getting on it and 2 X21s hadn't shown and the X12 that I just missed and assumed to be just a few minutes late was actually an hour late!) and it arrived in Durham just a few minutes before another one. (2.5 hours from the Dental school to home - I was knackered!)

Could be Tyne Valley Express


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Tomorrow with the great north run the following allocations will happen
See it do it / Wear Xpress citaros on 56

(09 Sep 2017, 8:43 pm)Citaro5326 wrote Tomorrow with the great north run the following allocations will happen
See it do it / Wear Xpress citaros on 56

I think single deckers on 309/310 as well, so deckers can be used for GNR

(09 Sep 2017, 2:36 pm)Andreos1 wrote Now the QR system is rolled out and it's possible for Big Brother at GNE Towers to see a lot more about our journey/travel patterns, I wonder what sort of changes we will see?

The optimist in me, reckons we will see the return of more direct services and a reduction on services working the hub & spoke model.

The realist in me, reckons we will see further reductions in services and even more consolidation.

Hmm... X9/X10 serves Dalton Park; X5 and X21 extended to run on Sundays; extra late night journey on X1 weekdays; last 10 retimed to leave Newcastle at 2315; extra morning peak Q3; extra morning peak Prince Bishops into Durham; X22 increased to run hourly on Sundays; extra Lambton Worm journey weekdays; extra Fab 56 on Sunday mornings; more X66 morning peak journeys; more Loops on weekday afternoons... and that's just this month.

Looks to me as if Big Brother is using the data to provide more, not fewer, journey opportunities...

(Sits back and waits for Andreos to reel off a list of every service that's been reduced since 1986...)

(09 Sep 2017, 8:43 pm)Citaro5326 wrote Tomorrow with the great north run the following allocations will happen
See it do it / Wear Xpress citaros on 56

Is that fact or speculation?

(10 Sep 2017, 7:55 am)Crusader wrote Is that fact or speculation?

There's already been posts on Facebook with pictures of WX citario on the 56.


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(10 Sep 2017, 8:07 am)cbma06 wrote There's already been posts on Facebook with pictures of WX citario on the 56.


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5333/5287/5290 so far

(10 Sep 2017, 7:40 am)eezypeazy wrote Hmm... X9/X10 serves Dalton Park; X5 and X21 extended to run on Sundays; extra late night journey on X1 weekdays; last 10 retimed to leave Newcastle at 2315; extra morning peak Q3; extra morning peak Prince Bishops into Durham; X22 increased to run hourly on Sundays; extra Lambton Worm journey weekdays; extra Fab 56 on Sunday mornings; more X66 morning peak journeys; more Loops on weekday afternoons... and that's just this month.

Looks to me as if Big Brother is using the data to provide more, not fewer, journey opportunities...

(Sits back and waits for Andreos to reel off a list of every service that's been reduced since 1986...)

Let's hope the examples you provide, are just the beginning of a pattern of passenger improvements eezypeazy.
I would love to see the organisation continue to do u-turns and re-introduce (or even introduce) services or runs that benefit passengers.

However, you missed out the X22 and X39 curtailment and 11X changes.

(Sits back and waits for eezypeazy to start blathering on about passenger numbers, a magic money tree or other conservative, anti-passenger dogma)

Another B5 spotted yesterday, either 6311 or 6314:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nsf323alis...otostream/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nsf323alis...otostream/

(10 Sep 2017, 7:40 am)eezypeazy wrote Hmm... X9/X10 serves Dalton Park; X5 and X21 extended to run on Sundays; extra late night journey on X1 weekdays; last 10 retimed to leave Newcastle at 2315; extra morning peak Q3; extra morning peak Prince Bishops into Durham; X22 increased to run hourly on Sundays; extra Lambton Worm journey weekdays; extra Fab 56 on Sunday mornings; more X66 morning peak journeys; more Loops on weekday afternoons... and that's just this month.

Looks to me as if Big Brother is using the data to provide more, not fewer, journey opportunities...

(Sits back and waits for Andreos to reel off a list of every service that's been reduced since 1986...)

10 only runs at 2315 on Sundays due to the 10B being withdrawn on Sunday evenings resulting in the 10/10A operating a combined 30 minute frequency.

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Talking about QR codes, if I lets say was to get on 1x bus to Newcastle in the early evening and purchased a return or day ticket but used a similar service that doesn't stop as close due to my preferred service that finishes earlier, could that signal demand for a later service on my preferred route?

Isnt the X27 a thing this year?

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(10 Sep 2017, 10:58 am)L469 YVK wrote 10 only runs at 2315 on Sundays due to the 10B being withdrawn on Sunday evenings resulting in the 10/10A operating a combined 30 minute frequency.

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Talking about QR codes, if I lets say was to get on 1x bus to Newcastle in the early evening and purchased a return or day ticket but used a similar service that doesn't stop as close due to my preferred service that finishes earlier, could that signal demand for a later service on my preferred route?

In theory, it is a lot easier for operators to monitor cash fare patterns now. Particularly in the case of day/week/month tickets.

It wasnt possible to monitor where each individual ticket ended up on parts of the passengers trip.
Granted surveys could be carried out previously, but now that data can be stored and trends identified.

As citaro5284 pointed out yesterday, those with smartcards could have been monitored in the recent past.
Now there is the potential to monitor all passengers.

Suppose we just have to wait and see how they use that data!

(10 Sep 2017, 8:56 am)Andreos wrote (Sits back and waits for eezypeazy to start blathering on about passenger numbers, a magic money tree or other conservative, anti-passenger dogma)

Typical Andreos response. When you politely point out that the truth is rather different from his point of view, he resorts to hurling thinly-veiled insults!

As anyone who knows me well will attest, I have been a passionate advocate for good public transport almost all my life!

So much for a 'kinder, gentler style of politics'!

Still, I should have learned by now that Andreos is always right, and I'm always wrong...

And as for 'anti-passenger dogma': yesterday, I went TEN MILES out of my way to help two passengers who would otherwise have been stranded in the middle of nowhere!

(10 Sep 2017, 3:23 pm)eezypeazy wrote Typical Andreos response. When you politely point out that the truth is rather different from his point of view, he resorts to hurling thinly-veiled insults!

As anyone who knows me well will attest, I have been a passionate advocate for good public transport almost all my life!

So much for a 'kinder, gentler style of politics'!

Still, I should have learned by now that Andreos is always right, and I'm always wrong...

And as for 'anti-passenger dogma': yesterday, I went TEN MILES out of my way to help two passengers who would otherwise have been stranded in the middle of nowhere!

I wouldnt flatter yourself eezypeazy...
*but harks back to less than thinly veiled insults hurled from yourself*

I didn't realise it was a 'right versus wrong' either. I assumed (wrongly it seems) that as well as the services you mentioned, there were those bits of news that had not been mentioned. So I mentioned them.
In addition to another poster who pointed something else that had been missing from your post too.

6313 (NK67 EBG) departing South Shields Promenade on Private Hire for the Great North Run - https://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalark...ed-public/

(10 Sep 2017, 8:56 am)Andreos1 wrote Let's hope the examples you provide, are just the beginning of a pattern of passenger improvements eezypeazy.
I would love to see the organisation continue to do u-turns and re-introduce (or even introduce) services or runs that benefit passengers.

However, you missed out the X22 and X39 curtailment and 11X changes.

(Sits back and waits for eezypeazy to start blathering on about passenger numbers, a magic money tree or other conservative, anti-passenger dogma)

11X and X39 changes/curtailment are hardly major cutbacks - any passengers who used the X39 to Gateshead can easily change buses in Central Newcastle, and similarly anyone who used the 11X.

X22 has changed just on one day per week - on Sunday it doesn't run from Durham (it only ran every 2 hours) but now runs from Chester-le-Street on an improved hourly frequency. With X21 now running on 
Sunday, any passenger doing Durham to Metrocentre can catch X21 to Gateshead and then X66 every hour.

Services or runs only benefit passengers if they use them, in most cases where Go North East have changed services passengers can still travel.

It's not only Go North East that makes service changes, Stagecoach North East have taken out almost 30 buses this year, with many services having changed.

(10 Sep 2017, 9:34 pm)busmanT wrote 11X and X39 changes/curtailment are hardly major cutbacks - any passengers who used the X39 to Gateshead can easily change buses in Central Newcastle, and similarly anyone who used the 11X.

X22 has changed just on one day per week - on Sunday it doesn't run from Durham (it only ran every 2 hours) but now runs from Chester-le-Street on an improved hourly frequency. With X21 now running on 
Sunday, any passenger doing Durham to Metrocentre can catch X21 to Gateshead and then X66 every hour.

Services or runs only benefit passengers if they use them, in most cases where Go North East have changed services passengers can still travel.

It's not only Go North East that makes service changes, Stagecoach North East have taken out almost 30 buses this year, with many services having changed.

Without dragging this on and taking it away from the original point of the original post (which was about being able to analyse passenger trends using the QR data) - whether they're all major cutbacks or not, they're still cutbacks.

Just like the improvements suggested by eezypeazy, aren't all major improvements.
As an example, when early morning trips on the 34/34A were axed a few years ago, GNE didnt make much of a fanfare about it. So it mustn't have been a major cutback.

If eezypeazy hadn't gone all defensive and went on a mission to highlight certain points (that he/she thought positive) from the September changes, I am not sure this discussion would even be taking place.
I certainly wouldnt have needed to try and provide balance to his post.

So... I wonder what will happen, now that technology has moved on and cash payers trips can be monitored?

More consolidation or the reintroduction of more direct services?

I think it's time to rework washy's minibuses again. They've been like their current stage for a week too long!

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(10 Sep 2017, 9:34 pm)busmanT wrote 11X and X39 changes/curtailment are hardly major cutbacks - any passengers who used the X39 to Gateshead can easily change buses in Central Newcastle, and similarly anyone who used the 11X.

My only niggle here is that it reduces the appeal of bus travel if you force people through interchanges and extended journey times. Additionally a single ticket holder now has to either stump up twice or buy a day ticket. Of course, no one expects an operator to run at a loss or for everywhere to have a direct service but it does dampen the appeal.

I am heavily incentivised through work to use public transport but I've colleagues who'd rather sit on the A1 for an hour than Consider getting a bus and it's those people you need to attract to sustain growth.

Has 3978, 3980, 3982, 6013 and 6032 been withdrawn yet?, as they were supposed to be withdrawn after the GNR.

Has any transfers took place due to the first 5 B5's entering service?