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Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc

Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc

RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(31 Mar 2015, 8:45 pm)Michael wrote The 35/35A/36 and 56 now serve 2 stops on Fawcett Street.
Dont see the point when they Stop Halfway up/down Fawcett Street, I would perhaps be more understanding if they stopped at the First/Last Stop on Fawcett Street.
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
I can see where GNE are coming from though, they want to have 2 stops to make it easier for passengers but it doesn't help with congestion.
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RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(31 Mar 2015, 8:59 pm)Michael wrote I can see where GNE are coming from though, they want to have 2 stops to make it easier for passengers but it doesn't help with congestion.

It has nothing to do with making it easier for passengers, its all about trying to get stagecoach passengers on go north east buses. Go north east has made some of these bus stops dangerous to use now. I will emmm predict a few changes and additions to Stagecoach services in the near future. 
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
The Seaburn Road Closures have been rescheduled and are now taking place a week later, meaning that most of the disruption will be on the first week back at work/school/college etc after the Easter Holidays. This is likely to cause more inconvenience than the previous schedule...

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/tis-servic...px?id=5060
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(03 Apr 2015, 11:39 am)AIG20 wrote The Seaburn Road Closures have been rescheduled and are now taking place a week later, meaning that most of the disruption will be on the first week back at work/school/college etc after the Easter Holidays. This is likely to cause more inconvenience than the previous schedule...

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/tis-servic...px?id=5060

Typical Sunderland council
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RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(04 Apr 2015, 8:45 pm)idiot wrote Yet they continually get voted in...
There's a lack of a credible alternative in Sunderland. It's an ultra-stronghold for Labour, and I can't see that changing.
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RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
Businesses and local residents are beginning to complain about the Seaburn Roadworks, due to apparently suffering losses of thousands of pounds.

One thing that am struggling to understand is why have they put the new streetlights up and connected them to the mains without disconnecting and removing the old ones? The only one which was removed was on the Morrisions roundabout, and they haven't done a very good job due to it being chopped off at the base instead of being fully removed - presumably leaving live wires exposed. It must be very bright down Seaburn now! In addition, Sunderland Council need to be told that LEDs are energy efficient - but not when they are burning 24/7!

Moreover, lots of the pavements and traffic islands are still a mess, and there are barriers and fencing all over the place - some of which fell into the road, presumably narrowly missing oncoming traffic. I don't think all this will be completed by the end of May...

The SunderlandNow Facebook Page has more information.
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(05 May 2015, 5:00 pm)AIG20 wrote Businesses and local residents are beginning to complain about the Seaburn Roadworks, due to apparently suffering losses of thousands of pounds.

One thing that am struggling to understand is why have they put the new streetlights up and connected them to the mains without disconnecting and removing the old ones? The only one which was removed was on the Morrisions roundabout, and they haven't done a very good job due to it being chopped off at the base instead of being fully removed - presumably leaving live wires exposed. It must be very bright down Seaburn now! In addition, Sunderland Council need to be told that LEDs are energy efficient - but not when they are burning 24/7!

Moreover, lots of the pavements and traffic islands are still a mess, and there are barriers and fencing all over the place - some of which fell into the road, presumably narrowly missing oncoming traffic. I don't think all this will be completed by the end of May...

The SunderlandNow Facebook Page has more information.

You look at those pictures and wonder why not one workman is doing any work...if they did some work then they would be done! 
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RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
It seems card factory has got the 3rd new unit at Hylton retail park.
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RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
Its happening, Sunderland’s £100m bridge will cross Wear within three years – and it’ll be taller than Big Ben.

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/busin...-1-7259664
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North East business leaders welcome Wear Crossing announcement + timetable

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/busin...-1-7259670
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RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
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Overnight closures 1800 hrs to 0530 hrs A1231 Wessington Way Sunderland near the QA bridge ‪#‎A1231
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RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(20 May 2015, 11:44 am)Michael wrote WATCH: New fountains tested at Sunderland’s Keel Square

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local...-1-7269304

The square is looking good now, all we need is work to start on the VAUX site - as in offices etc.

I agree with the first comment in the link you've provided - a bit underwhelming, at least, on film. Perhaps it'll look more impressive in the flesh - so to speak.
RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
Plans to revamp Sunderland’s High Street West - have your say

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local...-1-7278714

http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=16796&p=0&fsize=569kb&ftype=High%20Street%20West%20Improvements%20Phase%201.PDF
http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=16797&p=0&fsize=626kb&ftype=Bridge%20Steet%20Layout.PDF




New Wear bridge – it’s starting!
http://www.sunderlandnow.com/local-news/...-starting/
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RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(26 May 2015, 10:46 am)Michael wrote Plans to revamp Sunderland’s High Street West - have your say

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local...-1-7278714

http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=16796&p=0&fsize=569kb&ftype=High%20Street%20West%20Improvements%20Phase%201.PDF
http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=16797&p=0&fsize=626kb&ftype=Bridge%20Steet%20Layout.PDF




New Wear bridge – it’s starting!
http://www.sunderlandnow.com/local-news/...-starting/

So I take it from the above link, that bridge street will be going two way traffic, so the buses will go up Fawcett street onto bridge street then roundabout then wearmouth bridge, this has been been in the pipeline for quite while now, as originally there were going to take the roundabout out and have it all as traffic lights, probably this is why traffic coming from st marys stays longer at the traffic lights on the roundabout so it can accommodate the extra green light from bridge street?.

RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(26 May 2015, 3:00 pm)cbma06 wrote So I take it from the above link, that bridge street will be going two way traffic, so the buses will go up Fawcett street onto bridge street then roundabout then wearmouth bridge, this has been been in the pipeline for quite while now, as originally there were going to take the roundabout out and have it all as traffic lights, probably this is why traffic coming from st marys stays longer at the traffic lights on the roundabout so it can accommodate the extra green light from bridge street?.

It looks like it, should be easier for buses to get out of the city centre, although it looks like the roundabout will stay where it is.

I hope it goes ahead, the whole area needs to be done up. 
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RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(26 May 2015, 3:04 pm)Michael wrote It looks like it, should be easier for buses to get out of the city centre, although it looks like the roundabout will stay where it is.

I hope it goes ahead, the whole area needs to be done up. 

yea, the roundabout will have to stay because there took out the right hand turn out of st marys car park.

wont be long until afterwards there do the paving stones and seating to Fawcett street and market square again, it seems that this is a year after year case, lost count how many times the paving etc.. has been done.

RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(26 May 2015, 3:31 pm)cbma06 wrote yea, the roundabout will have to stay because there took out the right hand turn out of st marys car park.

wont be long until afterwards there do the paving stones and seating to Fawcett street and market square again, it seems that this is a year after year case, lost count how many times the paving etc.. has been done.

It should improve the flow of traffic, i really hope this happens. 
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RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(26 May 2015, 6:08 pm)Michael wrote It should improve the flow of traffic, i really hope this happens. 

The council has mentioned about sending the traffic straight up onto bridge street and over to wearmouth bridge for sometime now, it was even mentioned before their made the two way traffic outside of the museum to assist stagecoach 10/11 services, so hopefully the buses can get out of Fawcett street and onto wearmouth bridge a lot quicker to provide better punctuality instead of getting stuck at a couple of traffic lights and the traffic coming from the docks area competing for space just to get to the bridge street roundabout.

RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(26 May 2015, 6:16 pm)cbma06 wrote The council has mentioned about sending the traffic straight up onto bridge street and over to wearmouth bridge for sometime now, it was even mentioned before their made the two way traffic outside of the museum to assist stagecoach 10/11 services, so hopefully the buses can get out of Fawcett street and onto wearmouth bridge a lot quicker to provide better punctuality instead of getting stuck at a couple of traffic lights and the traffic coming from the docks area competing for space just to get to the bridge street roundabout.

I remember them going up that road in the 90's before they changed the system.... was better that way... glad they're thinking of changing it back
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RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(26 May 2015, 6:20 pm)Michael wrote I remember them going up that road in the 90's before they changed the system.... was better that way... glad they're thinking of changing it back

yep, good old days, 3 lanes of traffic all the way up Fawcett street onto the bridge Smile

RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(26 May 2015, 6:22 pm)cbma06 wrote yep, good old days, 3 lanes of traffic all the way up Fawcett street onto the bridge Smile

Shame the whole area was wreaked when they decided to change it.

I'm hoping once the VAUX site is done and everything has being cleared away, someone will start to build on it, i haven't being down that way in a while, may have a visit later this week.

Current projects:

VAUX site
Hilton hotel at the SOL 
New college in the city centre
Seaburn/Roker 
New bridge.

All these need to be done before anything is done.... i mean the bridge will take 3 years so include that as a long term project.

College, Hilton hotel should open next year 
Seaburn should be done in the next few months 
VAUX site - not sure whats planned atm

Other projects 

The court and police station is supposed to be the council hands........ no doubt they'll be empty for years.

I think they need to move the civic centre.... maybe move to the VUAX site, means that area can be used as a car park for the college. 
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RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(26 May 2015, 6:30 pm)Michael wrote Shame the whole area was wreaked when they decided to change it.

I'm hoping once the VAUX site is done and everything has being cleared away, someone will start to build on it, i haven't being down that way in a while, may have a visit later this week.

Current projects:

VAUX site
Hilton hotel at the SOL 
New college in the city centre
Seaburn/Roker 
New bridge.

All these need to be done before anything is done.... i mean the bridge will take 3 years so include that as a long term project.

College, Hilton hotel should open next year 
Seaburn should be done in the next few months 
VAUX site - not sure whats planned atm

Other projects 

The court and police station is supposed to be the council hands........ no doubt they'll be empty for years.

I think they need to move the civic centre.... maybe move to the VUAX site, means that area can be used as a car park for the college. 

would like to see the road on Fawcett street extended width wise, to help the buses have a clear run up Fawcett street instead of been blocked by 2 buses on the bus stop, or maybe have Fawcett street layout similar to South Shields Keppel street east, but have each stand room for 2 buses.

Since the council will be starting the new paving,seating area from Bridge street and finishing at St Michaels way, I think the council takes control of the police station building from this September, maybe their knock it down but I don't think it will be empty for to long, as it would of costed the council quite abit of cash, maybe another hotel lol, So far as am aware that the road from St Marys all the way to B&Q roundabout will be 2 lanes in each direction and their be taking out the small roundabout at the bottom of Hylton road and replacing it by 4 way traffic lights.

I would of liked to see the council ousted from their out dated civic centre and take up residents at empty building in the town until their new build at Vaux site, would of perfered to see the sunderland college to be build on the civic centre site and take down the old wet damp civic car park and replace it with a brand new car park which would be extended  over the metro lines area and tie it in with something better on the Holmside triangle site.

About the Courts, I think its out of sunderland council control, as the Courts were going to be elsewhere at a vacant site at Farringdon Row, I think the land has been purchased but before the building work commenced the ministers put a hold on building the new court complex.

RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
Me too Cbma - something needs to be done, the road is terrible if a bus doesn't/can't park up at the bus stop.

Thanks for the info on the police station, i hope it doesn't stop empty for ages.... a hotel would be decent but aren't they building one on the square already?

As for the civic centre, it needs to go, its a horrid site, the area could be used for the college... like a car park or even a few more buildings, like offices etc.


Edit:

Holmeside also needs sorting, the amount of buses using each stop on both sides is ridiculous............. 

Here is the stop for the 3,4,13,20,20A, X20 - http://liners.nexus.org.uk/24S26.pdf - Every bus service is every 10 mins (20/20A - every 20 mins but you know what i mean) - the amount of times the 23 bus stop is blocked is ridiculous.


Here is my stop for the 23 - http://liners.nexus.org.uk/24S25.pdf - although not all services are frequent as the buses on the above stop, all still  arrive at the bus stop with a frequency of every 10/15 mins (expect for the 38C/X1).

I think the whole area needs changing.

Made a list on services using Holmeside: (this is towards Park Lane, Sunderland Hospital etc)

Services using holmeside:

 
2/2A – Every 10 minutes
3 – Every 10 minutes
4 – Every 10 minutes
5/5A – Every 30 minutes
8 – Every 30 minutes
10/11 – Every 7/8 minutes
12 – Every 10 minutes
13 – Every 10 minutes
16 – Every 10 minutes
20 – Every 10 minutes (Stagecoach)
20/20A – Every 10 minutes
23 – Every 10 Minutes
33/33A – Every 15 minutes
35/36 – Every 15 minutes
35A – Every 30 minutes (Evenings and Sundays only)
38/238 – Every 20 minutes
39 – Every 15 minutes
136 – Every 60 minutes (Night/Sunday only)
700 – Every 15 minutes
X1 – Every 20 mins (Peak time only)
X20 – Peak times only – 3 runs a day (Mon-Fri only)
X36 – Every 30 minutes
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RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(28 May 2015, 10:15 am)Michael wrote Me too Cbma - something needs to be done, the road is terrible if a bus doesn't/can't park up at the bus stop.

Thanks for the info on the police station, i hope it doesn't stop empty for ages.... a hotel would be decent but aren't they building one on the square already?

As for the civic centre, it needs to go, its a horrid site, the area could be used for the college... like a car park or even a few more buildings, like offices etc.


Edit:

Holmeside also needs sorting, the amount of buses using each stop on both sides is ridiculous............. 

Here is the stop for the 3,4,13,20,20A, X20 - http://liners.nexus.org.uk/24S26.pdf - Every bus service is every 10 mins (20/20A - every 20 mins but you know what i mean) - the amount of times the 23 bus stop is blocked is ridiculous.


Here is my stop for the 23 - http://liners.nexus.org.uk/24S25.pdf - although not all services are frequent as the buses on the above stop, all still  arrive at the bus stop with a frequency of every 10/15 mins (expect for the 38C/X1).

I think the whole area needs changing.

Made a list on services using Holmeside: (this is towards Park Lane, Sunderland Hospital etc)

Services using holmeside:

 
2/2A – Every 10 minutes
3 – Every 10 minutes
4 – Every 10 minutes
5/5A – Every 30 minutes
8 – Every 30 minutes
10/11 – Every 7/8 minutes
12 – Every 10 minutes
13 – Every 10 minutes
16 – Every 10 minutes
20 – Every 10 minutes (Stagecoach)
20/20A – Every 10 minutes
23 – Every 10 Minutes
33/33A – Every 15 minutes
35/36 – Every 15 minutes
35A – Every 30 minutes (Evenings and Sundays only)
38/238 – Every 20 minutes
39 – Every 15 minutes
136 – Every 60 minutes (Night/Sunday only)
700 – Every 15 minutes
X1 – Every 20 mins (Peak time only)
X20 – Peak times only – 3 runs a day (Mon-Fri only)
X36 – Every 30 minutes

you missed off the E1,E2 and E6 lol

I was only joking about having a hotel on the police station site lol , seems that's sunderland have gone mad about having hotels.

When the economics leave park lane interchange there go right round the back and enter Fawcett street from burdon road so missing out Holmside.

So if Holmside goes only east bound traffic, then everything coming from eastbound (16/10/11/4/ etc.. etc...) will would have to follow right around behind park lane onto burdon road and Fawcett street which would restrict passengers getting off at either the bus stop on Stockton road or burdon road and then Fawcett street, which passengers wouldn't really able to get off at one side of the town at Vine Place.

whos in charge of bus companies stopping at bus stops?, I know that the bus companies have to register the route with VOSA, does the bus companies have to register stopping at bus stops with Nexus and if so can Nexus say no to the bus companies?.

RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
(28 May 2015, 1:11 pm)cbma06 wrote you missed off the E1,E2 and E6 lol

I was only joking about having a hotel on the police station site lol , seems that's sunderland have gone mad about having hotels.

When the economics leave park lane interchange there go right round the back and enter Fawcett street from burdon road so missing out Holmside.

So if Holmside goes only east bound traffic, then everything coming from eastbound (16/10/11/4/ etc.. etc...) will would have to follow right around behind park lane onto burdon road and Fawcett street which would restrict passengers getting off at either the bus stop on Stockton road or burdon road and then Fawcett street, which passengers wouldn't really able to get off at one side of the town at Vine Place.

whos in charge of bus companies stopping at bus stops?, I know that the bus companies have to register the route with VOSA, does the bus companies have to register stopping at bus stops with Nexus and if so can Nexus say no to the bus companies?.

Sorry for the late reply Cbma 

I forgot about those going up Holmeside, that should change soon when St Mary's is fully open.

Holmeside will stop as a 2 way system, a few things need changing,like more bus stops just to split the full ones up.. i:e the stop where the 12,23,33,33A,35 and 36 stop heading towards Silksworth, Thorney Close, Houghton etc...... although the question is... where is the space.

Wasn't there a rumour going around they wanted to make Fawcett street a place for the public only, no roads.....

Not 100% sure who tells the companies which bus stops they can stop at. 
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RE: Sunderland Area Developments - St Mary's Way, Vaux, New Wear Bridge etc
Had a walk to Keel Square yesterday and it looks really good, the fountains are nice and the whole area looks good.
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