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MrFozz   05 Sep 2015, 4:48 pm
(05 Sep 2015, 4:46 pm)R852 PRG wrote I see a petition has been started to replace Katie Hopkins with 50,000 Syrian refugees. I've signed up. Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
Make that 100,000 migrants w/Nigel Farage as part of the deal and I will sign any petition Big Grin
Andreos1   07 Sep 2015, 7:45 pm
Is anyone watching Panorama?
A Jeremy Corbyn special.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Adrian   07 Sep 2015, 7:47 pm
(07 Sep 2015, 7:45 pm)Andreos1 wrote Is anyone watching Panorama?
A Jeremy Corbyn special.


Of course. Wink

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Andreos1   07 Sep 2015, 7:51 pm
(07 Sep 2015, 7:47 pm)aureolin wrote Of course. Wink

It started off quite well, started to get a bit distorted now...

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Adrian   07 Sep 2015, 8:16 pm
(07 Sep 2015, 7:51 pm)Andreos1 wrote It started off quite well, started to get a bit distorted now...

Aye, it became a dirt digging exercise. A last ditch effort by the Beeb to influence the result? Who knows. Smile

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Andreos1   08 Sep 2015, 9:02 am
(07 Sep 2015, 8:16 pm)aureolin wrote Aye, it became a dirt digging exercise. A last ditch effort by the Beeb to influence the result? Who knows. Smile
Did you see Sharon Hodgson's cameo at Durham?

There was a close up of yours truly standing next to Mrs Constantopolous at one point too.

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Andreos1   08 Sep 2015, 1:19 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34177370

Living Wage to be used by Whitbread as a reason to increase prices.
An interesting one, which almost negates the point of having a living wage in the first place.

Andy Harrison, CEO
 "The scale of the increase is bigger than we would have expected and clearly employment costs are our biggest single cost."

The article goes on to state that roughly 34,000 of Whitbread's 42,000 hourly-paid staff receive less than £7.20 an hour.
Granted it is a smaller proportion, but if the remaining 8,000 received a pay increase, would the price of our coffee go up? 

I will put my last £7.20 on at Fozzes bookies, that we will see redundancies and shorter working hours for those 34,000, negating the wage increase. 
Without knowing the proportion of hours worked (full/part time) and the split, it is difficult to see how much difference the 70p increase will make to overall profits.

I wonder if a brave retailer would dare to lower prices - on the off-chance the increased money in the back pockets of those affected, may actually tempt consumers to spend more?

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MurdnunoC   08 Sep 2015, 1:31 pm
(08 Sep 2015, 1:19 pm)Andreos1 wrote http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34177370

Living Wage to be used by Whitbread as a reason to increase prices.
An interesting one, which almost negates the point of having a living wage in the first place.


The article goes on to state that roughly 34,000 of Whitbread's 42,000 hourly-paid staff receive less than £7.20 an hour.
Granted it is a smaller proportion, but if the remaining 8,000 received a pay increase, would the price of our coffee go up? 

I will put my last £7.20 on at Fozzes bookies, that we will see redundancies and shorter working hours for those 34,000, negating the wage increase. 
Without knowing the proportion of hours worked (full/part time) and the split, it is difficult to see how much difference the 70p increase will make to overall profits.

I wonder if a brave retailer would dare to lower prices - on the off-chance the increased money in the back pockets of those affected, may actually tempt consumers to spend more?

Some companies 'boast' about paying wages above the National Minimum Wage even though the difference is often meagre. It will be interesting to see if those companies adjust their wages accordingly to maintain their 'boastful' claims.
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Adrian   09 Sep 2015, 10:05 pm
I'm not reading too much into it, because it's the same recycled arguments from when the NMW was introduced in the first place.

I don't think employers should be waiting until they're forced. Many already voluntarily signed up to the (proper) living wage, and have been applying the increases for a number of years.

It is important to remember that a living wage in any form, should not be seen as a glass ceiling, but instead a minimum level of acceptable renumeration for a job.

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Adrian   12 Sep 2015, 10:20 am
Result coverage is on the BBC News channel now. Should find out in about 10 minutes!

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Adrian   12 Sep 2015, 10:31 am
Tom Watson elected as deputy.

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S813 FVK   12 Sep 2015, 10:43 am
Corbyn has won it.
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Adrian   12 Sep 2015, 10:44 am
Corbyn has won the leadership by a landslide in the first round - almost 60% of the votes.

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NK53 TKT   12 Sep 2015, 10:47 am
(12 Sep 2015, 10:44 am)aureolin wrote Corbyn has won the leadership by a landslide in the first round - almost 60% of the votes.

What's next then Angel Angel
MurdnunoC   12 Sep 2015, 11:33 am
I've never even heard of Jamie Reed until now!
MurdnunoC   12 Sep 2015, 12:47 pm
Official Tory response to Corbyn being elected as leader of the Labour Party, delivered by Michael Fallon.

Labour are now a serious risk to our nation’s security, our economy’s security and your family’s security.

Whether it’s weakening our defences, raising taxes on jobs and earnings, racking up more debt and welfare or driving up the cost of living by printing money – Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party will hurt working people.

This is a very serious moment for our country – the Conservatives will continue to deliver stability, security and opportunity for working people.
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BusLoverMum   12 Sep 2015, 8:39 pm
(12 Sep 2015, 12:47 pm)MurdnunoC wrote Official Tory response to Corbyn being elected as leader of the Labour Party, delivered by Michael Fallon.

He should take up comedy.
Adrian   12 Sep 2015, 9:53 pm
(12 Sep 2015, 12:47 pm)MurdnunoC wrote Official Tory response to Corbyn being elected as leader of the Labour Party, delivered by Michael Fallon.

I actually thought their email stank of fear. It'll be interesting to see what their tactics are when it comes to trying to smear Corbyn, because he simply doesn't allow himself or his people to rise to it. The Tories came across as a one trick pony during the last 5 years. It seemed the more they tried to smear Ed and other senior figures, the more they'd bite back. 

Come 2020, I honestly think that people will have seen right through the "pro-worker" Tory party, and are hopefully voting in their masses against austerity. That just needs all these supporters to get properly involved and organise. 

(12 Sep 2015, 8:39 pm)BusLoverMum wrote He should take up comedy.

Or politics. Wink

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MurdnunoC   12 Sep 2015, 10:06 pm
(12 Sep 2015, 9:53 pm)aureolin wrote I actually thought their email stank of fear. It'll be interesting to see what their tactics are when it comes to trying to smear Corbyn, because he simply doesn't allow himself or his people to rise to it. The Tories came across as a one trick pony during the last 5 years. It seemed the more they tried to smear Ed and other senior figures, the more they'd bite back. 

Come 2020, I honestly think that people will have seen right through the "pro-worker" Tory party, and are hopefully voting in their masses against austerity. That just needs all these supporters to get properly involved and organise. 

And most of those senior figures are now trudging off to the back benches while trying not trip over their lip on the way.

I like Corbyn's idea of allowing other MP's to take to the despatch box during PMQ's. At the very least, it keeps Cameron on his toes and serves to unsettle his flow.
Adrian   12 Sep 2015, 10:28 pm
(12 Sep 2015, 10:06 pm)MurdnunoC wrote And most of those senior figures are now trudging off to the back benches while trying not trip over their lip on the way.

I like Corbyn's idea of allowing other MP's to take to the despatch box during PMQ's. At the very least, it keeps Cameron on his toes and serves to unsettle his flow.

I noticed Hunt has gone. He's a scab anyway, so I'd argue that he doesn't support Labour's values - i.e. 'decency'. 

I don't think I agree with Corbyn on that, but PMQs do need to reform from the circus that it currently is. It serves no purpose. Where else could you get away with shouting on like MPs do during it, whilst at work?

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MurdnunoC   13 Sep 2015, 7:34 am
(12 Sep 2015, 10:28 pm)aureolin wrote I noticed Hunt has gone. He's a scab anyway, so I'd argue that he doesn't support Labour's values - i.e. 'decency'. 

I don't think I agree with Corbyn on that, but PMQs do need to reform from the circus that it currently is. It serves no purpose. Where else could you get away with shouting on like MPs do during it, whilst at work?

Neither did I, at first. But after some consideration I decided it could actually be a very shrewd move on his part. 

While Corbyn does stand his ground and appears not to falter on his principles, he can however become a bit aggressive when criticised or challenged. When facing Cameron on a weekly basis at PMQ's, Cameron will fast learn what buttons to press to provoke a reaction and press will gleefully attempt to hammer him on this. Whether the public will be influenced by this spin - who knows? Maybe they'll appreciate his honesty and passion, maybe not, but the fact remains Corbyn probably won't be as slick as Cameron week in, week out.

By allowing other MP's to take to the despatch box, Corbyn distances himself from the constant barrage of abuse he's likely to receive from Cameron while simultaneously pursuing other agendas such as general political reform and allowing other voices in the party to be heard. It could be a good thing in the long run.
MurdnunoC   13 Sep 2015, 12:15 pm
(13 Sep 2015, 12:12 pm)Adam wrote I often think that the rise of Jeremy Corbyn, from a backbench MP for over 30 years to leader of the Labour party, from just scraping it onto the ballot paper to winning the election by a landslide, should be made into a Hollywood blockbuster.

Get John Hurt or Ian McKellen to play him and job's a good'un

Like the political version of Rocky!
Adrian   13 Sep 2015, 9:02 pm
I'm immensely proud that the Labour Party have elected this man to lead the party. What a passionate speaker, and to think that this was little after the biggest political landslide in years.


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Adrian   13 Sep 2015, 9:13 pm
Also : http://labourlist.org/2015/09/liveblog-w...w-cabinet/

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Andreos1   14 Sep 2015, 4:49 pm
I am pleased to see Corbyn get in. I genuinely want him to shake things up and hope we see a massive difference in the way the country works.

Is it a pipe dream, to want to see him as PM?

There are quite a few famous names, supporting him too - http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34...sell-brand
However, as with the BBC Panorma documentary the other night, it appears the daggers are out already.
Hopefully people can see beyond the spin, chucked out by an obviously concerned/worried right wing.
I say that, as if they didn't see him as a threat, then the patter wouldn't have started.

On a local level, it seems Catherine McKinnell is the only North Eastern representative in the shadow cabinet.

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R852 PRG   14 Sep 2015, 4:57 pm
There was quite a bit of discussion at school today about Jeremy Corbyn. One person in my Business & Economics class, who has strong Conservative beliefs, seemed adamant that is a ''fool'', bringing up arguments that Margaret Thatcher was not fond of him and he was apparently a bit controversial back in the 1980s, when he would wear woolly sweaters in the House of Commons. However, a few seemed quite positive about it. I've spent about an hour this evening doing a bit of research on him, and I have to say I'm now quite fond of him. He seems like a very charismatic and passionate speaker, having watched a few video clips, who seems to say what he really wants to say; unlike some of the others we see on the television, who act like a gun is being pointed at them...
Adrian   14 Sep 2015, 5:17 pm
(14 Sep 2015, 4:49 pm)Andreos1 wrote I am pleased to see Corbyn get in. I genuinely want him to shake things up and hope we see a massive difference in the way the country works.

Is it a pipe dream, to want to see him as PM?

There are quite a few famous names, supporting him too - http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34...sell-brand
However, as with the BBC Panorma documentary the other night, it appears the daggers are out already.
Hopefully people can see beyond the spin, chucked out by an obviously concerned/worried right wing.
I say that, as if they didn't see him as a threat, then the patter wouldn't have started.

On a local level, it seems Catherine McKinnell is the only North Eastern representative in the shadow cabinet.

I don't think it's a pipe dream at all, but it isn't going to happen by people sitting back and admiring from afar. People at grass roots level who have joined and voted for him on mass, now need to get involved and start organising. 

I'm pleased at his shadow cabinet selection, and I think that John McDonnell will make a fantastic shadow chancellor. I'm not too disappointed by the lack of North Eastern representatives really, although I would have found Bridget as transport secretary, a very welcome addition... Wink
 
(14 Sep 2015, 4:57 pm)R852 PRG wrote There was quite a bit of discussion at school today about Jeremy Corbyn. One person in my Business & Economics class, who has strong Conservative beliefs, seemed adamant that is a ''fool'', bringing up arguments that Margaret Thatcher was not fond of him and he was apparently a bit controversial back in the 1980s, when he would wear woolly sweaters in the House of Commons. However, a few seemed quite positive about it. I've spent about an hour this evening doing a bit of research on him, and I have to say I'm now quite fond of him. He seems like a very charismatic and passionate speaker, having watched a few video clips, who seems to say what he really wants to say; unlike some of the others we see on the television, who act like a gun is being pointed at them...

He would - but why should your attire have any affect on your ability to represent those that elect you?

RE: the 80s, I'm guessing this is in reference to his opposition to Apartheid, and him being arrested for protesting against them, outside the South African embassy. Corbyn was a strong supporter of Mandella, and before it was popular to be a fan of Mandella. We shouldn't forget he was also a big supporter of LGBT rights, and at a time that the Tories dismissed such rights as far left ideology. Corbyn, Tony Benn and other also met with Sinn Fein back in the 80s, which caused a massive stir at the time.

I've only seen Corbyn speak live once, but I've obviously seen him in Commons debates and at the hustings on TV. He's a straight talking politician, and he'll stand up for what he believes in. It's a shame there's not more like it.

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Andreos1   14 Sep 2015, 5:35 pm
(14 Sep 2015, 4:57 pm)R852 PRG wrote There was quite a bit of discussion at school today about Jeremy Corbyn. One person in my Business & Economics class, who has strong Conservative beliefs, seemed adamant that is a ''fool'', bringing up arguments that Margaret Thatcher was not fond of him and he was apparently a bit controversial back in the 1980s, when he would wear woolly sweaters in the House of Commons. However, a few seemed quite positive about it. I've spent about an hour this evening doing a bit of research on him, and I have to say I'm now quite fond of him. He seems like a very charismatic and passionate speaker, having watched a few video clips, who seems to say what he really wants to say; unlike some of the others we see on the television, who act like a gun is being pointed at them...
I think we all know who was the biggest fool of the 1980's and just a tad controversial! I will give you a clue, you mentioned her name in that BIB Wink
Mention her dealings with Pinochet, Hussein, South African Apartheid, Jimmy Saville and Iraq and see what he says.

I think it was MurdunoC who suggested people go and get involved in politics.
If you can get to see Corbyn speak live, rather than on youtube or telly, it may be more beneficial.
You may be turned off totally. You may appreciate him more.

(14 Sep 2015, 5:17 pm)aureolin wrote I don't think it's a pipe dream at all, but it isn't going to happen by people sitting back and admiring from afar. People at grass roots level who have joined and voted for him on mass, now need to get involved and start organising. 

I'm pleased at his shadow cabinet selection, and I think that John McDonnell will make a fantastic shadow chancellor. I'm not too disappointed by the lack of North Eastern representatives really, although I would have found Bridget as transport secretary, a very welcome addition... Wink
 

He would - but why should your attire have any affect on your ability to represent those that elect you?

RE: the 80s, I'm guessing this is in reference to his opposition to Apartheid, and him being arrested for protesting against them, outside the South African embassy. Corbyn was a strong supporter of Mandella, and before it was popular to be a fan of Mandella. We shouldn't forget he was also a big supporter of LGBT rights, and at a time that the Tories dismissed such rights as far left ideology. Corbyn, Tony Benn and other also met with Sinn Fein back in the 80s, which caused a massive stir at the time.

I've only seen Corbyn speak live once, but I've obviously seen him in Commons debates and at the hustings on TV. He's a straight talking politician, and he'll stand up for what he believes in. It's a shame there's not more like it.

I had to check to see if this tweet was genuine and not from a spoof account
https://mobile.twitter.com/David_Cameron...9980725248

If only Bridget was selected as Transport Secretary... I won't hold it against him.

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Andreos1   14 Sep 2015, 7:20 pm
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/8133390
Skinner vs Maitlis - live.
There was only going to be one winner and it wasn't going to be the sound engineer!

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MrFozz   15 Sep 2015, 9:06 am
(14 Sep 2015, 7:20 pm)Andreos1 wrote http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/8133390
Skinner vs Maitlis - live.
There was only going to be one winner and it wasn't going to be the sound engineer!
Skinner fairly put he in her place...

I love Dennis Skinner
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