Go North East: 2015/16 Financial Year Order Predictions
Go North East: 2015/16 Financial Year Order Predictions
(04 Sep 2015, 6:19 pm)Dan The 'K' is the mini version (ie the one which was looked at by Riverside engineering last year). The 'N' is the full-size version (ie the one which was on X66 and 8/78). Both are Euro 6, and both quite pricey. The 'K' will be a little less, given that it's a smaller bus.
(04 Sep 2015, 6:19 pm)Dan The 'K' is the mini version (ie the one which was looked at by Riverside engineering last year). The 'N' is the full-size version (ie the one which was on X66 and 8/78). Both are Euro 6, and both quite pricey. The 'K' will be a little less, given that it's a smaller bus.
(04 Sep 2015, 9:13 pm)aureolin Suppose it depends really though. It's all good and well removing a limiter, and it's not exactly difficult, but does it go against manufacturer recommendations? Is the bus as efficient at that speed as it is at the capped speed? It may have worse fuel consumption that a comparable vehicle for example.
(04 Sep 2015, 9:13 pm)aureolin Suppose it depends really though. It's all good and well removing a limiter, and it's not exactly difficult, but does it go against manufacturer recommendations? Is the bus as efficient at that speed as it is at the capped speed? It may have worse fuel consumption that a comparable vehicle for example.
(04 Sep 2015, 9:09 pm)mb134 With regards to speed limiting on buses, I recall being on ANE's 7524 last year, and noticing a sticker in the cab informing the driver it was limited to 100Km/h (62mph), which is fair enough, it seems stupid to me that the Streetlites are limited to 50mph. Is there a way of changing the limiter on these, I know that it has been said on here that the limit on the B8RLE can be changed, if it can't on the Streetlite then that is surely a major oversight?
(04 Sep 2015, 9:09 pm)mb134 With regards to speed limiting on buses, I recall being on ANE's 7524 last year, and noticing a sticker in the cab informing the driver it was limited to 100Km/h (62mph), which is fair enough, it seems stupid to me that the Streetlites are limited to 50mph. Is there a way of changing the limiter on these, I know that it has been said on here that the limit on the B8RLE can be changed, if it can't on the Streetlite then that is surely a major oversight?
Specifying a vehicle for a particular route and application can be done by gearing a suitable engine.
Those intended for 'fast' interurban routes require adequate power and gearing to keep the engine speed below an inefficient value, whereas a 'city bus' can operate adequately at lower maximum roadspeeds.
Whether the Streetlites can be adjusted to cope with interurban use depends on whether the gearing will allow increased road-speed without compromising fuel economy.
I have remarked before that there are many options available when specifying vehicles other than the engine size, and, with suitable gearing a large capacity engine might well operate more efficiently than an overstressed lower-powered engine.
I quoted the example of Jaguar's back-to-back economy tests of 2.4 litre and 3.4 litre cars where the 3.4 litre one was more economical - partly due to the gearing and partly due to the smaller-engined car having to 'strain' to keep up with the larger one.
The same applies to buses, a 9 litre engine might be more fuel-efficient than a 5 litre one according to gearing and route characteristics.
Most manufacturers offer a choice of gearing (number of ratios and final-drive ratio) - as well as some transmission types having different 'economies', and a suitable initial choice of specification is essential if fuel economy (and performance) is paramount.
Whether simply increasing the governed speed from 50 mph to 58 mph is possible (and desirable) depends on the vehicle specification. It might be a simple task of adjusting the software that limits the maximum speed, or it might mean running the engine at an inefficient speed that negates the purpose of choosing that vehicle type.
(04 Sep 2015, 6:29 pm)Dan Worth mentioning that I believe the Scania L94s on the Tynedalexpress are limited to 58 or 59mph, whereas Streetlites are limited to 50mph. The allocation of Streetlites to service X85 would make the timetable completely unachievable, and therefore, I can't see this vehicle type as a likely choice for investment.
(04 Sep 2015, 6:29 pm)Dan Worth mentioning that I believe the Scania L94s on the Tynedalexpress are limited to 58 or 59mph, whereas Streetlites are limited to 50mph. The allocation of Streetlites to service X85 would make the timetable completely unachievable, and therefore, I can't see this vehicle type as a likely choice for investment.
Just with reference to buss14's post on the main page for GNE, I think that although I love the B9TL, they're a wasted bus on the Cobalt Clipper as none of the routes need such power and it is a lot of fuel to use for not too demanding work. At the end of the day, if Volvo B5LH can cope on the 308 albeit a tight timetable courtesy of Arriva, then I think the Streetdeck could cope alright with the 309 / 310 / X39 with no issues.
I personally think that if the Streetdeck was to use less fuel than a GKN modded B9TL, bearing in mind that only one of the Cobalt B9s (I think) have already been done, then I've got a sneaky feeling that GNE could order Streetdecks for the Cobalt Clipper and put the B9's to good use elsewhere like this depending upon what changes happen to the West Durham Express services. The Fab 56 could also go back upto every 10 minutes too:
6085 to 6098 = 14x GKN B9TL / Deptford / Fab 56
6099 to 6100 = 2x B9TL / Deptford / Spare
6101(T) = B9TL / Riverside (or Hexham) / Spare
6102 = B9TL / Riverside (or Hexham) / TEN
6103 to 6104 = 2x GKN B9TL / Deptford / Fab 56
6105 to 6111 = 7x B9TL / Crook / Pronto
6112 to 6117 = 6x B9TL / Stanley / West Durham
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Further Cascades and allocations:
6084(T) = B9TL / Riverside (or Hexham) / Spare
3941 (T) = B7TL / Riverside (or Hexham) / Spare
3942 (T) = B7TL / Crook / Spare
3963 (T) = B7TL / Stanley / Spare
3964 (T) = B7TL / CLS / Angel Spare
3962 and 3965 already part of the Angel PVR.
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Order prediction:
- 15+2 spare Deckers for Red Arrows service X1.
Cascades:
- 6001 to 6007 = Crook Pronto service X21.
- 6049 (T) = Riverside as a spare.
- 6050 = Riverside as a spare.
- 6051 to 6055 = Stanley Northern service 6
- 3941 = Crook spare
- 3942 = Stanley Spare
- 3943 = Wherever needed
Or............
- 16 or 17+2 spare Streetdecks for Cobalt Clipper.
Cascades:
- 3941 = Crook spare
- 3962 and 3965 = Percy Main DFDS
- 6084 = Riverside Spare
- 6101 (T) = Riverside / Hexham TEN (just needs new vinyls)
- 6102 to 6108 (6104 [GKN Modded] swapped with 1x from Deptford) = Crook Pronto service X21
- 6109 to 6112 = Riverside Red Kite service 47 to maintain commonality with the 45 / 46 specification
- 6113 to 6117 = Stanley Northern service 6 (only 3x need repainted as 6116 / 6117 already red)
- 6118 to 6119 = CLS Angel service 21
- 6120 to 6121 = CLS spare
(02 Oct 2015, 6:48 pm)DaveyBowyer 13 minutes agoWhy would the Cobalt Clipper B9s be replaced when they have only been in service for about 18 months (Just a guess) and why would the Red Kite examples be replaced when they have been on for a few months?
Order prediction:
- 15+2 spare Deckers for Red Arrows service X1.
Cascades:
- 6001 to 6007 = Crook Pronto service X21.
- 6049 (T) = Riverside as a spare.
- 6050 = Riverside as a spare.
- 6051 to 6055 = Stanley Northern service 6
- 3941 = Crook spare
- 3942 = Stanley Spare
- 3943 = Wherever needed
Or............
- 16 or 17+2 spare Streetdecks for Cobalt Clipper.
Cascades:
- 3941 = Crook spare
- 3962 to 3965 = Percy Main DFDS
- 6084 = Riverside Spare
- 6101 (T) = Riverside / Hexham TEN (just needs new vinyls)
- 6102 to 6108 (6104 [GKN Modded] swapped with 1x from Deptford) = Crook Pronto service X21
- 6109 to 6112 = Riverside Red Kite service 47 to maintain commonality with the 45 / 46 specification
- 6113 to 6117 = Stanley Northern service 6 (only 3x need repainted as 6116 / 6117 already red)
- 6118 to 6119 = CLS Angel service 21
- 6120 to 6121 = CLS spare
(02 Oct 2015, 6:48 pm)DaveyBowyer 13 minutes agoWhy would the Cobalt Clipper B9s be replaced when they have only been in service for about 18 months (Just a guess) and why would the Red Kite examples be replaced when they have been on for a few months?
Order prediction:
- 15+2 spare Deckers for Red Arrows service X1.
Cascades:
- 6001 to 6007 = Crook Pronto service X21.
- 6049 (T) = Riverside as a spare.
- 6050 = Riverside as a spare.
- 6051 to 6055 = Stanley Northern service 6
- 3941 = Crook spare
- 3942 = Stanley Spare
- 3943 = Wherever needed
Or............
- 16 or 17+2 spare Streetdecks for Cobalt Clipper.
Cascades:
- 3941 = Crook spare
- 3962 to 3965 = Percy Main DFDS
- 6084 = Riverside Spare
- 6101 (T) = Riverside / Hexham TEN (just needs new vinyls)
- 6102 to 6108 (6104 [GKN Modded] swapped with 1x from Deptford) = Crook Pronto service X21
- 6109 to 6112 = Riverside Red Kite service 47 to maintain commonality with the 45 / 46 specification
- 6113 to 6117 = Stanley Northern service 6 (only 3x need repainted as 6116 / 6117 already red)
- 6118 to 6119 = CLS Angel service 21
- 6120 to 6121 = CLS spare
(02 Oct 2015, 7:49 pm)Davie Why would the Cobalt Clipper B9s be replaced when they have only been in service for about 18 months (Just a guess) and why would the Red Kite examples be replaced when they have been on for a few months?
(02 Oct 2015, 7:49 pm)Davie Why would the Cobalt Clipper B9s be replaced when they have only been in service for about 18 months (Just a guess) and why would the Red Kite examples be replaced when they have been on for a few months?
(02 Oct 2015, 6:48 pm)DaveyBowyer 13 minutes ago
Order prediction:
- 15+2 spare Deckers for Red Arrows service X1.
Cascades:
- 6001 to 6007 = Crook Pronto service X21.
- 6049 (T) = Riverside as a spare.
- 6050 = Riverside as a spare.
- 6051 to 6055 = Stanley Northern service 6
- 3941 = Crook spare
- 3942 = Stanley Spare
- 3943 = Wherever needed
Or............
- 16 or 17+2 spare Streetdecks for Cobalt Clipper.
Cascades:
- 3941 = Crook spare
- 3962 and 3965 = Percy Main DFDS
- 6084 = Riverside Spare
- 6101 (T) = Riverside / Hexham TEN (just needs new vinyls)
- 6102 to 6108 (6104 [GKN Modded] swapped with 1x from Deptford) = Crook Pronto service X21
- 6109 to 6112 = Riverside Red Kite service 47 to maintain commonality with the 45 / 46 specification
- 6113 to 6117 = Stanley Northern service 6 (only 3x need repainted as 6116 / 6117 already red)
- 6118 to 6119 = CLS Angel service 21
- 6120 to 6121 = CLS spare
(02 Oct 2015, 6:48 pm)DaveyBowyer 13 minutes ago
Order prediction:
- 15+2 spare Deckers for Red Arrows service X1.
Cascades:
- 6001 to 6007 = Crook Pronto service X21.
- 6049 (T) = Riverside as a spare.
- 6050 = Riverside as a spare.
- 6051 to 6055 = Stanley Northern service 6
- 3941 = Crook spare
- 3942 = Stanley Spare
- 3943 = Wherever needed
Or............
- 16 or 17+2 spare Streetdecks for Cobalt Clipper.
Cascades:
- 3941 = Crook spare
- 3962 and 3965 = Percy Main DFDS
- 6084 = Riverside Spare
- 6101 (T) = Riverside / Hexham TEN (just needs new vinyls)
- 6102 to 6108 (6104 [GKN Modded] swapped with 1x from Deptford) = Crook Pronto service X21
- 6109 to 6112 = Riverside Red Kite service 47 to maintain commonality with the 45 / 46 specification
- 6113 to 6117 = Stanley Northern service 6 (only 3x need repainted as 6116 / 6117 already red)
- 6118 to 6119 = CLS Angel service 21
- 6120 to 6121 = CLS spare
(02 Oct 2015, 9:10 pm)Diamond One are you for real? it won't happen DFDS Seaways will probs be getting new buses probs Next Year the Cobalt Clipper, Ten, Red Arrows, Red Kite and the red spares do not need new buses you must having a laugh the Cobalt Clipper ones were only new in Service in early 2014, Ten early 2013, Red Arrows Mid 2011/2012, Red Kite almost 6 months ago so these won't happen ask anyone
(02 Oct 2015, 9:10 pm)Diamond One are you for real? it won't happen DFDS Seaways will probs be getting new buses probs Next Year the Cobalt Clipper, Ten, Red Arrows, Red Kite and the red spares do not need new buses you must having a laugh the Cobalt Clipper ones were only new in Service in early 2014, Ten early 2013, Red Arrows Mid 2011/2012, Red Kite almost 6 months ago so these won't happen ask anyone
(02 Oct 2015, 9:20 pm)DaveyBowyer No chance of the DFDS shuttle getting new buses. DDA compliant at best but not worthy of new vehicles. And did I mention the Red Arrows? I did earlier on but not on the second post.
Also, the TEN would only receive an extra permanant B9 in the form of 6101 (not shared with the TTX unless an absolute emergency), nothing else unless GNE were willing to repaint an extra bus in the form of an Ex-Deptford B9 to allow 6101 to become a dedicated spare vehicle. Got to remember that the B9s purchased for the Cobalt Clipper were bought in a bulk of 34 vehicles and although this was cracking value for money at the time (I think), alot has changed since then and due to the emergence of lightweight vehicles unless GNE are willing to part ways with Wrightbus and migrate to ADL and Scania, then they will struggle for finding replacement vehicles for the likes of the Pronto.
(02 Oct 2015, 9:20 pm)DaveyBowyer No chance of the DFDS shuttle getting new buses. DDA compliant at best but not worthy of new vehicles. And did I mention the Red Arrows? I did earlier on but not on the second post.
Also, the TEN would only receive an extra permanant B9 in the form of 6101 (not shared with the TTX unless an absolute emergency), nothing else unless GNE were willing to repaint an extra bus in the form of an Ex-Deptford B9 to allow 6101 to become a dedicated spare vehicle. Got to remember that the B9s purchased for the Cobalt Clipper were bought in a bulk of 34 vehicles and although this was cracking value for money at the time (I think), alot has changed since then and due to the emergence of lightweight vehicles unless GNE are willing to part ways with Wrightbus and migrate to ADL and Scania, then they will struggle for finding replacement vehicles for the likes of the Pronto.
(02 Oct 2015, 11:58 pm)Diamond One more than likely DFDS Seaways are to receive new buses but you think that Gemini 2 are to be replaced on them routes there already on when there only young some they won't happen most enthusiasts will probs agree with me on this one well gemini 2 will not be replaced end of
(02 Oct 2015, 11:58 pm)Diamond One more than likely DFDS Seaways are to receive new buses but you think that Gemini 2 are to be replaced on them routes there already on when there only young some they won't happen most enthusiasts will probs agree with me on this one well gemini 2 will not be replaced end of
(03 Oct 2015, 6:27 am)DanPicken What about 6084 that was only on the 56 for a year so there's nothing stopping the buying now buses for their most prestigious services.
(03 Oct 2015, 6:27 am)DanPicken What about 6084 that was only on the 56 for a year so there's nothing stopping the buying now buses for their most prestigious services.