(29 Apr 2016, 4:16 pm)Michael wrote Full details for the upcoming Sunderland services is now on the Stagecoach site:

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:04:45:275

Edit: No new timetables currently online

Changes are now on the buses along with leaflets.

(16 May 2016, 9:50 am)Michael wrote Changes are now on the buses along with leaflets.

None in nexus shop Michael

(18 May 2016, 11:37 am)Acky81 wrote None in nexus shop Michael

The leaflet changes are on the stagecoach buses in Sunderland, but not in the nexus travel shop at interchange, the new timetables won't be circulated yet.

The end is nigh
PB0001987/268 - CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Mitchell Avenue and MacMillan Academy given service number 200 effective from 24-Jul-2016.
PB0001987/269 - CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Trimdon Avenue Baldoon Sands and MacMillan Academy given service number 201 effective from 24-Jul-2016.
PB0001987/272 - CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Hemlington Shopping Centre and MacMillan Academy given service number 202 effective from 24-Jul-2016.
PB0001987/273 - CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Easterside Pensby Avenue and MacMillan Academy given service number 203 effective from 24-Jul-2016.
PB0001987/274 - CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Park End Royston Road and MacMillan Academy given service number 204 effective from 24-Jul-2016.
PB0001987/275 - CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between South Bank and MacMillan Academy given service number 205 effective from 24-Jul-2016.

PB0001987/17 - CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Middlesbrough Bus Station and Acklam Baldoon Sands given service number 14 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
PB0001987/297 - CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Park End and Middlesbrough Bus Station given service number 39 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.

(27 May 2016, 2:45 pm)NK53 TKT wrote PB0001987/17 - CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Middlesbrough Bus Station and Acklam Baldoon Sands given service number 14 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
PB0001987/297 - CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD T/A STAGECOACH NORTHEAST, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, NORTH BRIDGE STREET, SUNDERLAND, SR5 1AQ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Park End and Middlesbrough Bus Station given service number 39 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.

Probably putting extra buses on to carry the Mcmillan kids!

(28 May 2016, 12:30 pm)Cock Robin wrote Probably putting extra buses on to carry the Mcmillan kids!

14 will be dropping the Trimdon Avenue Shops to West Lane duplicate (which is no longer needed anyway) which runs off the 202.
39 will be in someway linked to the extra fifth bus during the week currently being a decker off schools which will need a working revision before September.

I personally think the changes to service 3 in Sunderland will cause so much confusion.
Farringdon 3 should be numbered 3F
Gilley law 3 should be numbered 3G
Or simply 2 and 3 as it was pre 2005.

Think all the changes look interesting.
4 back in Farringdon after 11 years will catch people out

(29 Apr 2016, 4:16 pm)Michael wrote Full details for the upcoming Sunderland services is now on the Stagecoach site:

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-up...:04:45:275

A reminder that these changes commence from tomorrow, its going to be a fun few weeks for passengers to get used of the changes along with the drivers...

(31 May 2016, 4:56 pm)Acky81 wrote I personally think the changes to service 3 in Sunderland will cause so much confusion.
Farringdon 3 should be numbered 3F
Gilley law 3 should be numbered 3G
Or simply 2 and 3 as it was pre 2005.

Think all the changes look interesting.
4 back in Farringdon after 11 years will catch people out

I agree with them renumbering the 3 as, 2 and 3, it would be easier...

Yeah and helps if drivers know where the buses will go. Getting a different story from most drivers. However the outcome is that I'm losing a link to my lock up and now have a 5 mins walk from a bus stop.

As for South Bents well it's tight for a bus to get round at times but to cut them off is a disgrace. Mainly older people there and will struggle to walk to the coast road!

All it needed was more time in the timetable for the current 18 and 19 to work... But yet again profits before customers...

(04 Jun 2016, 11:59 am)idiot wrote Yeah and helps if drivers know where the buses will go. Getting a different story from most drivers. However the outcome is that I'm losing a link to my lock up and now have a 5 mins walk from a bus stop.

As for South Bents well it's tight for a bus to get round at times but to cut them off is a disgrace. Mainly older people there and will struggle to walk to the coast road!

All it needed was more time in the timetable for the current 18 and 19 to work... But yet again profits before customers...

You think that service even breaks even??? You would be shocked.

(04 Jun 2016, 5:24 pm)Deleted wrote You think that service even breaks even??? You would be shocked.

I'm surprised that the 18/19 haven't been reduced to an hourly service.


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(04 Jun 2016, 11:59 am)idiot wrote Yeah and helps if drivers know where the buses will go. Getting a different story from most drivers. However the outcome is that I'm losing a link to my lock up and now have a 5 mins walk from a bus stop.

As for South Bents well it's tight for a bus to get round at times but to cut them off is a disgrace. Mainly older people there and will struggle to walk to the coast road!

All it needed was more time in the timetable for the current 18 and 19 to work... But yet again profits before customers...

The 558 could of served south bents

(04 Jun 2016, 11:59 am)idiot wrote Yeah and helps if drivers know where the buses will go. Getting a different story from most drivers. However the outcome is that I'm losing a link to my lock up and now have a 5 mins walk from a bus stop.

As for South Bents well it's tight for a bus to get round at times but to cut them off is a disgrace. Mainly older people there and will struggle to walk to the coast road!

All it needed was more time in the timetable for the current 18 and 19 to work... But yet again profits before customers...

But more time would mean an extra bus, costing £100k+ a year. i would guess the 18/19 struggles to cover its costs as it is without adding extra costs which would make the whole service completely unsustainable. At least this way the majority of the route continues to be served, hopefully in a more sustainable way

As for South Bents, I'm sure Stagecoach will have told Nexus how many passengers travel from there. Nexus could have easily served it by diverting the 558, so no extra cost to the taxpayer, but have chosen not to which suggests Stagecoach's decision is correct and is hardly a disgrace

(04 Jun 2016, 5:26 pm)cbma06 wrote I'm surprised that the 18/19 haven't been reduced to an hourly service.


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Same.

(04 Jun 2016, 5:26 pm)cbma06 wrote I'm surprised that the 18/19 haven't been reduced to an hourly service.


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You would still need 4 buses to cover the PVR 
Wouldn't even be considered halfing a frequency if you aren't halfing the cost

One thing I've never seen any comments on is how pennywell will lose its cross links between service 10 and 11 on a Sunday withe the increase in pvr from 4 to 5 so buses will operate into and out of pennywell as the same service

(04 Jun 2016, 11:20 am)Michael wrote I agree with them renumbering the 3 as, 2 and 3, it would be easier...

You would need 3 numbers as they is 3 variation's of the route.

(04 Jun 2016, 10:39 pm)Deleted wrote You would need 3 numbers as they is 3 variation's of the route.

Oh aye.

3/3A - throughout the day time of Monday and Saturday

3B - Evening and Sunday...

Edit: - Had Monday - Tuesday instead of Monday and Saturday hahaha

(04 Jun 2016, 10:50 pm)Michael wrote Oh aye.

3/3A - throughout the day time of Monday and Tuesday

3B - Evening and Sunday...

Or 1, 2, 3

(04 Jun 2016, 11:10 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Or 1, 2, 3

It's been awhile since there was a service 1 (Sunderland busways days)


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(04 Jun 2016, 11:59 am)idiot wrote All it needed was more time in the timetable for the current 18 and 19 to work... But yet again profits before customers...

So an extra bus or two at around £80,000 each a year would help a huge loss making servie?? Stagecoach have taken a massive hit on these services for a lot of years so saying profits before customers is a bit idiotic really.

(05 Jun 2016, 12:30 pm)Deleted wrote So an extra bus or two at around £80,000 each a year would help a huge loss making service?? Stagecoach have taken a massive hit on these services for a lot of years so saying profits before customers is a bit idiotic really.

Oh aye, will make a big difference.  It will make the service make even more losses 

(05 Jun 2016, 12:23 pm)cbma06 wrote It's been awhile since there was a service 1 (Sunderland busways days)


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Think it was even longer ago than that - don't recall any Sunderland Busways service 1, though I know in corporation days there was a 1 which partly became the 101 - but it was long gone by '86 I think?

(05 Jun 2016, 6:12 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Think it was even longer ago than that - don't recall any Sunderland Busways service 1, though I know in corporation days there was a 1 which partly became the 101 - but it was long gone by '86 I think?

I don't think there's been a service numbered '1' in the days post de-regulation. 

The '101' of which you speak operated by between CBS and Grangetown and was withdrawn sometime between May 1983 and May 1984.

(05 Jun 2016, 6:17 pm)MurdnunoC wrote I don't think there's been a service numbered '1' in the days post de-regulation. 

The '101' of which you speak operated by between CBS and Grangetown and was withdrawn sometime between May 1983 and May 1984.

IIRC it went as part of the October 1983 service changes.

(05 Jun 2016, 6:12 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Think it was even longer ago than that - don't recall any Sunderland Busways service 1, though I know in corporation days there was a 1 which partly became the 101 - but it was long gone by '86 I think?

There was a Sunderland busways service 1, didn't last long though. The younger generation wouldn't remember it, and it wouldn't of been in the TWPTE guides neither, and the timetable for service 1 wasn't in the busways yellow format timetable. It was in a single sheet of paper.


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(05 Jun 2016, 6:30 pm)DunsBus wrote IIRC it went as part of the October 1983 service changes.

Thanks for clarifying. Unfortunately, I only have timetable booklets which the Tyne and Wear PTE produced yearly. I don't have the supplements  so it's often difficult to pinpoint an exact date (or month).

(05 Jun 2016, 6:17 pm)MurdnunoC wrote I don't think there's been a service numbered '1' in the days post de-regulation. 

The '101' of which you speak operated by between CBS and Grangetown and was withdrawn sometime between May 1983 and May 1984.

Service 101 was withdrawn and replaced on toward road with new service 139/140.

Same time service X14 was withdrawn and replaced with new service 139/140 with using the same route of old service X14 between moorside and Sunderland bus station.

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