The previous thread has become quite large, and it doesn't allow the database to run optimally. So here is v2 of the service suggestion thread.

The previous thread can be found here.

Washington services changes well really number and brand changes
4 still connection4
82/82A renumbered 4A/4B and would join the connections4 brand don't know about 82B maybe 4C

The evening 82/83 journeys renumbered 2E/3E but would still use connections4 buses

85/86 branded indigo Washington

X1 frequency increased between Washington and Newcastle and decreased towards Easington Lane

Slightly revised time on the 5/50 to give more overlay time at South Shields

(01 Jul 2016, 5:24 pm)Ds1197 wrote Washington services changes well really number and brand changes
4 still connection4
82/82A renumbered 4A/4B and would join the connections4 brand don't know about 82B maybe 4C

The evening 82/83 journeys renumbered 2E/3E but would still use connections4 buses

85/86 branded indigo Washington

X1 frequency increased between Washington and Newcastle and decreased towards Easington Lane

Slightly revised time on the 5/50 to give more overlay time at South Shields

What about the 83A and 922?

(01 Jul 2016, 5:24 pm)Ds1197 wrote Washington services changes well really number and brand changes
4 still connection4
82/82A renumbered 4A/4B and would join the connections4 brand don't know about 82B maybe 4C

The evening 82/83 journeys renumbered 2E/3E but would still use connections4 buses

85/86 branded indigo Washington

X1 frequency increased between Washington and Newcastle and decreased towards Easington Lane

Slightly revised time on the 5/50 to give more overlay time at South Shields

I've suggested this before, and it makes sense in my opinion.

Run a 7 minute frequency between Newcastle and Washington, with 3 buses an hour continuing to Easington Lane. It'd give the Easington Lane - Newcastle runs a bit more slack, and you could probably reduce the PVR as a result.

The Shiney Row - Houghton section could be compensated by running alternate 4's that route, rather than round Bournmoor and Fencehouses, where the passenger numbers are low.

(01 Jul 2016, 5:28 pm)NK53 TKT wrote What about the 83A and 922?

922 no longer runs

(01 Jul 2016, 5:46 pm)JP6004 wrote 922 no longer runs

Oh yes, I forgot

(01 Jul 2016, 5:28 pm)NK53 TKT wrote What about the 83A and 922?

83A is operated by Gateshead Central Taxis.

X6. Hartlepool - castle eden - horden - peterlee - heworth - Gateshead - Regent centre - A1 - morpeth
This service will operate every hour with no cuts accept service x10 not serving peterlee as this service will run on sundays
This service will bypass newcastle giving faster journeys to northumberland
This service will operate the exact same way as service x35 which will mean some trips on the x35 will run onto the 206 meaning the 206 wont be indigo.
This service will provide competition with arriva services.
This service will use a pvr of 4.
(5229-32) ran by Riverside
5233 will be a spare.
653 will move to deptford for the 701 allowing 628 to transfer out.

(01 Jul 2016, 10:25 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote X6. Hartlepool - castle eden - horden - peterlee - heworth - Gateshead - Regent centre - A1 - morpeth
This service will operate every hour with no cuts accept service x10 not serving peterlee as this service will run on sundays  
This service will bypass newcastle giving faster journeys to northumberland
This service will operate the exact same way as service x35 which will mean some trips on the x35 will run onto the 206 meaning the 206 wont be indigo.
This service will provide competition with arriva services.
This service will use a pvr of 4.
(5229-32) ran by Riverside
5233 will be a spare.
653 will move to deptford for the 701 allowing 628 to transfer out.

  Scratching my head wondering why you would observe Heworth/Gateshead but miss out Newcastle City Centre, where by which most of the potential passengers will get on to go to and from Morpeth, really dont see any passengers wanting to do the full route mind, and would be better off being a two separate services.

(01 Jul 2016, 10:37 pm)Malarkey wrote   Scratching my head wondering why you would observe Heworth/Gateshead but miss out Newcastle City Centre, where by which most of the potential passengers will get on to go to and from Morpeth, really dont see any passengers wanting to do the full route mind, and would be better off being a two separate services.

One of the most pointless suggestions I've seen in this and the old thread.
Getting a bit annoying now.

X6 - Sunderland - Grangetown - Seaham - Dawdon Business Park - Peterlee - Wingate - Station Town - Norton - Stockton - Darlington
X6A - Sunderland - Doxford International - Peterlee - Wingate - Station Town - Norton - Stockton - Darlington 

New Service X6 will operate hourly between Sunderland and Darlington with a combined frequency of every 30 Minutes between Sunderland and Stockton with Service X7, a peak time Service X6A will also be introduced opening up new links from Darlington to Doxford International, passengers from Darlington can also connect with Service X35 to Doxford International also.

X8 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Heworth - Norton - Stockton - Darlington

New Service X8 will operate hourly between Newcastle and Darlington with a combined frequency of every 30 Minutes between Newcastle and Stockton, providing a fast link for passengers from Darlington to Newcastle.

This suggestion will be good for the company and the customer.
9. Sunderland - fullwell - East Boldon - Boldon - fellgate - jarrow - north shields.
Percy main will operate this service only on a every 30 minute frequency this will omit any confusion with short jarrow runs.
9A. Sunderland - fullwell Grange - Southwick green - carley hill - witherwack - red house - downhill - boldon - fellgate - jarrow.
This service will be operated by deptford on a hourly frequency the service will give another bus along thompson road.
The service will use double decker vehciles monday to friday as it will interwork with school services.
On Saturday most likely solars or streetlites.
This service replaces the x36.
A new link from red house to jarrow that was lost from the 26.
35. Low moorsley - hetton le hole - hetton downs - hougton le spring - Doxford international - farringdon Allendale road - Lakeside village - silksworth sainsburys - barnes - royal hospital - palion - casletown - hylton castle - town end farm - downhill - boldon - heworth.
This service will operate hourly Monday to Saturday and operate as normal to houghton le spring then provide an additional bus to doxford international alongside the x35 then operate down Allendale Road to provide competition with stagecoach services.
The service will then operate to Gilley law and silksworth sainsburys providing a link to the Royal hospital.
This service will also operate on sundays but as service 35B and not serving palion and instead serving Sunderland and southwick.
The service will also after Allendale road serve east herrington and herrington burn instead of doxford international.
The 35B will also be hourly.
35A Rainton bridge - hougton le spring - Herrington burn - east herrington - Durham road - barnes - sunderland interchange -
The service will not serve sunderland and operate direct to casletown via palion.
The service will then operate as normal to boldon before extending to heworth to replace service x36.
35A. Rainton bridge - hougton le spring - herrington burn - east herrington - Durham road - barnes - sunderland interchange - southwick green - casletown.
This service will operate hourly also serving rainton bridge.
The service will operate down durham road and serve southwick but ternamates at casletown.
Service 36 this service will operate as normal to casletown then operate to town end farm.
This service will operate every 30 minutes.

(03 Jul 2016, 3:40 pm)Malarkey wrote X6 - Sunderland - Grangetown - Seaham - Dawdon Business Park - Peterlee - Wingate - Station Town - Norton - Stockton - Darlington
X6A - Sunderland - Doxford International - Peterlee - Wingate - Station Town - Norton - Stockton - Darlington 

New Service X6 will operate hourly between Sunderland and Darlington with a combined frequency of every 30 Minutes between Sunderland and Stockton with Service X7, a peak time Service X6A will also be introduced opening up new links from Darlington to Doxford International, passengers from Darlington can also connect with Service X35 to Doxford International also.

X8 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Heworth - Norton - Stockton - Darlington

New Service X8 will operate hourly between Newcastle and Darlington with a combined frequency of every 30 Minutes between Newcastle and Stockton, providing a fast link for passengers from Darlington to Newcastle.

That X6 is hardly an express though Adam. I reckon you're looking at close to 2 hours end to end.

Your X8 would work better if it ran via the A184, A194 and then A1 to junction 60 from Heworth, and didn't bother with Norton and Stockton. You could instead serve Rushyford, Newton Aycliffe, Aycliffe Village and into Darlington.

(03 Jul 2016, 4:15 pm)Adrian wrote That X6 is hardly an express though Adam. I reckon you're looking at close to 2 hours end to end.

Your X8 would work better if it ran via the A184, A194 and then A1 to junction 60 from Heworth, and didn't bother with Norton and Stockton. You could instead serve Rushyford, Newton Aycliffe, Aycliffe Village and into Darlington.

I completely agree, or it could run through Chester-le-Street instead

(03 Jul 2016, 4:15 pm)Adrian wrote That X6 is hardly an express though Adam. I reckon you're looking at close to 2 hours end to end.

Your X8 would work better if it ran via the A184, A194 and then A1 to junction 60 from Heworth, and didn't bother with Norton and Stockton. You could instead serve Rushyford, Newton Aycliffe, Aycliffe Village and into Darlington.

With the X6 suggestion, if it didn't serve Seaham and went direct via the A19 like the Arriva X21 does you could do it in just under 90 minutes using a PVR of 3. These are some times I came up with when I suggested it before:

Darlington, Tubwell Row - 33
Darlington College - 37
Haughton Green, The Gray Horse - 41
Great Burdon - 44
Stockton High Street South - 59
Stockton High Street North - 01
Norton, Red Lion - 07
Peterlee, Moorcock - 26
Peterlee Bus Station arr - 30
Peterlee Bus Station dep - 33
Essington Way, Crawford Av - 36
Ryhope, Green - 50
Sunderland, Park Lane - 59

Sunderland Park Lane - 04
Ryhope, Green - 13
Essington Way, Crawford Av - 27
Peterlee Bus Station arr - 30
Peterlee Bus Station dep - 33
Peterlee, Moorcock - 38
Norton, Red Lion - 57
Stockton High Street North - 03
Stockton Yarm Lane - 05
Great Burdon - 19
Haughton Road, The Gray Horse - 22
Darlington College - 26
Darlington, Tubwell Row - 30

I prefer your X8 suggestion, for obvious reasons also if it goes via Stockton you would have to compete with Arriva's X66/X67 between Darlington and Stockton which runs every 15 minutes although you could maybe pick up a few passengers between these points if you ran via Great Burdon and Haughton Road giving Haughton Road a link to Stockton. Alternatively you could do a X21 styled route running the same between Newcastle and Croxdale then onto Darlington.

Probably in the Bygone thread but how long did the 722/723 used to take from Darlington to Newcastle? I'm guessing a fairly long whack.

Anyway my suggestion(s) for the X22

Current route then Retail World - Metrocentre ( a la 937 workings)

Or change if the 23 and run it the old 183 route, restoring the link for large parts of Harlow Green & Low Fell to the Metrocentre. (You'll still be able to flog purple day tickets to keep it commercially rewarding)

Service Suggestions

X21 Newcastle-Bishop Auckland only stopping at Durham the frequency of this service remains the same every 30 minutes

21 every 15 minutes between Newcastle and Chester-Le-Street

The journeys towards Durham would be renumbered 21A and extending towards Bishop Auckland along the current route of the X21 these journeys will also run every 15 minutes

(04 Jul 2016, 9:30 am)Ds1197 wrote Service Suggestions

X21 Newcastle-Bishop Auckland only stopping at Durham the frequency of this service remains the same every 30 minutes

21 every 15 minutes between Newcastle and Chester-Le-Street

The journeys towards Durham would be renumbered 21A and extending towards Bishop Auckland along the current route of the X21 these journeys will also run every 15 minutes

Why would you reduce the frequency on the 21?!

(03 Jul 2016, 10:20 pm)Ambassador wrote Probably in the Bygone thread but how long did the 722/723 used to take from Darlington to Newcastle? I'm guessing a fairly long whack.

Just under two hours.

Timetable attached.

(04 Jul 2016, 4:36 pm)Ambassador wrote Why would you reduce the frequency on the 21?!

It wouldn't, it would have a combined frequency with the 21A so 21/21A would run every 7 minutes Between Newcastle and Chester-Le-Street

2. Sunderland - Hylton road - millfield metro - clanny house - royal hospital - sunderland crematorium - broadway - penshaw - shiney row - fatfield - lampton - washington.
This service will operate via hylton road joining back on route near the hospital.
This service will continue to operate every 30 minutes.
Journeys to silksworth are transferd to another service.
2A. Silksworth - Tunstall village - Ryhope stores - hollycarside - Grangetown - leechmere Asda - Ashbrooke - Sunderland interchange - Enterprise park - waterview park - washington.
This service will operate every 30 minutes.
The service will operate as normal to Grangetown.
The service will replace service 38 and 238 to Sunderland from Leechmere Asda.
The service will replace route 8 from Sunderland to washington.
8. Sunderland - Royal hospital - pennywell road - A19 - waterview park - washington - Glebe - washington art centre - chester le street - beamish museum - stanley.
This service will revert back to its old route continuing with a 30 minute frequency.
20. Durham - Belmont - East Rainton - Hall lane - Hougton le spring - Doxford international - East herrington - barnes - sunderland interchange.
This service will additionally serve Doxford international every day and will ternamate at Sunderland.
The service will operate every 30 minutes.
20A. Arnison centre - durham - Belmont - east rainton - hougton le spring - East herrington - barnes - royal hospital - sunderland - wheatsheaf - fullwell grange - cleadon village - harton nook - south shields.
This service will operate every 30 minutes with an extension to arnison centre.
The service will also extend to royal hospital to cover for route 2A.
X20. Durham - non stop to Rainton bridge - hougton le spring - A690 - A19 - Enterprise park - wheatsheaf - fullwell - cleadon village - harton nook - south shields.
This service will operate hourly replacing route 36.
The service will provide a fast link for passengers between durham and south shields.
36. Sunderland to Chester-le-Street.
This service will only operate sunderland to chester le street with no other changes.
38,238.
38. Tunstall bank - esdale estate - hollycarside - leechmere Asda - Grangetown - villete road - sunderland - royal hospital - barnwell - biddick - washington.
This service will operate hourly and replace route 2a.
238 This service will operate from sunderland interchange to ryhope village alike the old 202.
New 38A.
This service operates the same as the current 38 on a every 30 minute frequency.
59. This service extended to Brasside to give residents a sunday bus.

(05 Jul 2016, 7:28 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote 20. Durham - Belmont - East Rainton - Hall lane - Hougton le spring - Doxford international - East herrington - barnes - sunderland interchange.
This service will additionally serve Doxford international every day and will ternamate at Sunderland.
The service will operate every 30 minutes.
20A. Arnison centre - durham - Belmont - east rainton - hougton le spring - East herrington - barnes - royal hospital - sunderland - wheatsheaf - fullwell grange - cleadon village - harton nook - south shields.
This service will operate every 30 minutes with an extension to arnison centre.
The service will also extend to royal hospital to cover for route 2A.
X20. Durham - non stop to Rainton bridge - hougton le spring - A690 - A19 - Enterprise park - wheatsheaf - fullwell - cleadon village - harton nook - south shields.
This service will operate hourly replacing route 36.
The service will provide a fast link for passengers between durham and south shields.
59. This service extended to Brasside to give residents a sunday bus.

I think those changes are actually good ideas, however I doubt many people will sit on the X20 full route

(05 Jul 2016, 7:51 pm)NK53 TKT wrote I think those changes are actually good ideas, however I doubt many people will sit on the X20 full route

There's 9 buses per hour durham to south shields 6x 20s 3x 50s a faster bus than those services may work in my opinion

(05 Jul 2016, 8:27 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote There's 9 buses per hour durham to south shields 6x 20s 3x 50s a faster bus than those services may work in my opinion

What about the main link between South Shields and Sunderland during the week it's a busy section of route

(05 Jul 2016, 8:27 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote There's 9 buses per hour durham to south shields 6x 20s 3x 50s a faster bus than those services may work in my opinion

There's only 2 50's a Hour, And Hourly on Nightimes ( Doesn't serve past Chester-Le-Street on evenings )

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(05 Jul 2016, 8:30 pm)Ds1197 wrote What about the main link between South Shields and Sunderland during the week it's a busy section of route

6x 20's and 12x Stagecoach E1/E2 and E6 ( all Half-Hourly )

X1. Newcastle - Gateshead - washington - hougton le spring - hetton le hole - Easington lane - Easington village - peterlee - blackhall - castle Eden - hartlepool - seaton carew non stop to middlesbrough .
This service will operate every 10 minutes Newcastle to washington.
Then every 20 minutes newcastle to Peterlee.
Every 30 minutes to hartlepool.
Then on a trial basis every hour to Middlesbrough.
The service will operate as normal to Easington lane.
The service will replace service x35 hougton to hartlepool.
Service 20A will replace the link to doxford international.
The service will provide hartlepool a direct bus to middlesbrough.
The service will take around 2 hours 30.
From the x35 loss a new service could be
X56 Dalton park - A19 - ferryboat lane - nissan - Sulgrave - concord non stop to heworth - felling squre - old durham road - Gateshead - newcastle.
This service will provide fast connections.
The only change will be service x36 withdrawn.
20A. Arnison centre - durham non stop to East rainton - rainton bridge - hougton le spring - Doxford international - East herrington - barnes - sunderland - wheatsheaf - southwick - witherwack - red house - downhill - boldon bank - East boldon metro - cleadon village - harton nook - south shields.
This service will operate every 30 minutes with service 20 operating 4x a hour in between the 20a.
This service will operate up to Arnison centre to save connections and give passengers through fares.
The service will be non stop from Durham millburngate to East rainton.
The 20A will stop on north road for trips to Arnison centre.
The service will replace x35,x36.
The service will operate up to boldon bank turning right to east boldon.
Passengers from boldon to heworth can take the 9 to jarrow then change to the 27

My suggestion involves two particular journeys:

- 18:27 #16 from Stanley to South Stanley St Stephens Church (arr 18:32)
- 18:31 #704 from Stanley to Stanley via South Stanley Avon Road (arr 18:37)

I would withdraw the 18:27 #16 service and replace it with the 18:31 #704 service which would be extended down to St Stephens Church from Avon Road (although the downside is that it would need to miss Avon Road out) running via Hollyhill Gardens before turning back onto Tyne Road and continuing back to the Bus Station as it normally would.

Alternatively, the 704 could be left as it is with the 16 journey still being withdrawn with all passengers having to get the 18:19 #78 down to South Stanley instead.

60. Casletown - keir harde way - wheatsheaf - sunderland interchange - Grangetown - Ryhope village - seaham mill inn - westlea - Strangford road - seaham byron place - spectrum - dalton park - murton - Easington lane - Easington village - peterlee.
This service will operate every 30 minutes between spectrum and casletown.
This service will replace route 36,202
This service will no longer serve dawdon and parkside.
This service will operate evenings and sundays hourly between Sunderland and seaham but will operate to parkside additionaly without serving spectrum.
61.Sunderland - Grangetown - Ryhope - seaham mill inn - westlea - dalton park - murton - hetton le hole.
This service will operate every 10 minutes between Sunderland and dalton park due to service 60 loss.
This service will replace the 265 to hetton every 30 minutes.
On evenings the service will serve hetton le hole but on sundays the service will ternamate at murton.
62. Sunderland - Grangetown - Ryhope - mill inn - strangford road - seaham - dawdon - parkside - strangford road - westlea - dalton le dale - Easington village - peterlee.
This service will replace route 60 and operate as normal to mill inn.
The service will follow the 265 route to Strangford road then will operate a loop around seaham some journeys will operate as far as parkside
The 238 will operate via westlea due to service 62 running up to strangford road.
Service 62 will operate hourly up to west lea.
The service will omit dalton park.
This service replaces the 239 at Easington village.
The service provides competion.
The service will be every 20 minutes between Sunderland and parkside.
Hourly to Peterlee.
65. Parkside - seaham - mill inn - Dalton park - A19 - A690 - hougton le spring - hetton le hole - low moorsley - belmont - durham.
This service will extend to parkside due to the 20 minute frequency a extra bus is needed.
The service will operate non stop dalton park to houghton le spring.
This service will no longer be indigo allowing service 238 to gain the livery.

X20. Sunderland - Enterprise park - A19- A690 - Belmont - Gilesgte - durham.
This service will give workers a premium fast bus from Enterprise park to areas in Durham.
This service will run non stop from enterprise park to belmont then stopping at all stops to durham.
The service stops at all stops between Sunderland and enterprise park.
This service will operate as a peak service.
Route x50 soccer bus renumbered x47.
New x50.
Boldon - Boldon cinema - waterview park - washington non stop to Arnison centre - durham .
This service will operate at peak times and allow workers a fast route to all destinations .
27. South shields - chichester - tyne dock - bede - jarrow - fellgate - boldon Asda - heworth - Gateshead stadium - Gateshead - newcastle.
This service will operate every 20 minutes and operate as normal to jarrow.
Through the 27 going to boldon deptford 9s will ternamate at boldon with some running on to the x50.
More buses to heworth allowing route 35 and 35a to ternamate at boldon .
This replaces the 93 and 94 to Saltmeadows.
93,94.
93. Jarrow - hebburn - pelaw - heworth - felling squre - qe hospital - team valley - Gateshead .
This service will replace service 27 on the hebburn section then a normal route to Gateshead.
This service will operate every 20 minutes.
Route 94 the same as the 93 but an opposite route.
9. Sunderland - boldon - fellgate - jarrow - north shields.
No change except no deptford runs.
X36. Doxford international - ferryboat lane - north hylton road - downhill - heworth.
This service will operate at peak times with a journey each way.
This service will operate near to route 592 to downhill.
The service will omit boldon but stop at the enterprise van rental for connecting to the x9.
Ternamates at heworth.
9A. Sunderland - fullwell grange - southwick green - red house - downhill - boldon.
This service will operate hourly and replace deptfords 9s
This service will be a last chance for passengers to board in red house and with a new link provided to fullwell

I do think there's aomething in giving Dalton Park some decent links from further afield. Although it's designed as car user outlet style, itt could certainly benefit from better options, especially with the new development