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26 Nov 2016, 11:49 pm #621
Don't want to stray onto suggestions here but could the following not happen subject to orders:

- X21 increased to every 20 minutes.
- 21 changed to Chester - Newcastle
only running every 10 minutes with increased running / recovery time.
L469 YVK
26 Nov 2016, 11:49 pm #621

Don't want to stray onto suggestions here but could the following not happen subject to orders:

- X21 increased to every 20 minutes.
- 21 changed to Chester - Newcastle
only running every 10 minutes with increased running / recovery time.

BusLoverMum



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26 Nov 2016, 11:53 pm #622
(25 Nov 2016, 11:26 am)Andreos1 Pulled in to Heworth at 1100 heading south. 

On a different note, an Optare bus in Saltmeadows seemed to be getting a shade of paint applied that looks like it belongs on the 28. Didn't get to have a proper look unfortunately.

having not read beyond this post, yet, that would be a "Wear Express"

Picked up a timetable for the new X5, this afternoon (did the full X35, with nowt better to do). Big'un noticed that it's a merc on the front.
BusLoverMum
26 Nov 2016, 11:53 pm #622

(25 Nov 2016, 11:26 am)Andreos1 Pulled in to Heworth at 1100 heading south. 

On a different note, an Optare bus in Saltmeadows seemed to be getting a shade of paint applied that looks like it belongs on the 28. Didn't get to have a proper look unfortunately.

having not read beyond this post, yet, that would be a "Wear Express"

Picked up a timetable for the new X5, this afternoon (did the full X35, with nowt better to do). Big'un noticed that it's a merc on the front.

BusLoverMum



5,285
26 Nov 2016, 11:58 pm #623
(25 Nov 2016, 6:13 pm)Michael I was surprised to see the X5 too.

It's not like they won't have a monopoly
BusLoverMum
26 Nov 2016, 11:58 pm #623

(25 Nov 2016, 6:13 pm)Michael I was surprised to see the X5 too.

It's not like they won't have a monopoly

BusLoverMum



5,285
27 Nov 2016, 12:01 am #624
(26 Nov 2016, 1:06 am)South Tyne Lad Shift pattern goes as follows

Driver Changeover at Concord in Shields direction
50 to Shields
5 to Jarrow
5 to Shields
50 to Durham
50 to Shields ( Shieft ends at Concord )     Quick estimation is around 4.5 to 5 hours per shift.

Id happily do the 5/50 for that amount of time though, The S1 is one I really feel for drivers for driving it.

That's a long time without a wee! I feel bad enough for the drivers o the Arriva Sapphire 22/24 who do 3 hour round trips.
BusLoverMum
27 Nov 2016, 12:01 am #624

(26 Nov 2016, 1:06 am)South Tyne Lad Shift pattern goes as follows

Driver Changeover at Concord in Shields direction
50 to Shields
5 to Jarrow
5 to Shields
50 to Durham
50 to Shields ( Shieft ends at Concord )     Quick estimation is around 4.5 to 5 hours per shift.

Id happily do the 5/50 for that amount of time though, The S1 is one I really feel for drivers for driving it.

That's a long time without a wee! I feel bad enough for the drivers o the Arriva Sapphire 22/24 who do 3 hour round trips.

Ray



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27 Nov 2016, 12:04 am #625
Hi All,

On Friday I was able to get out and catch up with the ADL Enviro400 City demonstrator and thanks to the awful Black Friday traffic and the other general delays on its return to Gateshead it was running about 45 late. But in the end I was rewarded with the following photo opportunity which I was hoping for but never expecting to happen. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/rpbsp/31117742992/
Flickr - https://www.flickr.com/photos/rpbsp/

12 Years on Flickr 2011-2023 - With over 42 million all-time hits!
Ray
27 Nov 2016, 12:04 am #625

Hi All,

On Friday I was able to get out and catch up with the ADL Enviro400 City demonstrator and thanks to the awful Black Friday traffic and the other general delays on its return to Gateshead it was running about 45 late. But in the end I was rewarded with the following photo opportunity which I was hoping for but never expecting to happen. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/rpbsp/31117742992/

Flickr - https://www.flickr.com/photos/rpbsp/

12 Years on Flickr 2011-2023 - With over 42 million all-time hits!

BusLoverMum



5,285
27 Nov 2016, 12:06 am #626
(26 Nov 2016, 1:56 pm)Dan They'd have a difficult time doing that, unplanned, without a working radio in each bus!

I've noticed that arriva have started to fit phone mounts into their vehicles - by the offside frontmost window. Noticed this when drivers ended up muttering to nothing in particular about delays. Might jus t be for vehicles running the gamut of Durham delays, mind (which would include the X12, of course!)
BusLoverMum
27 Nov 2016, 12:06 am #626

(26 Nov 2016, 1:56 pm)Dan They'd have a difficult time doing that, unplanned, without a working radio in each bus!

I've noticed that arriva have started to fit phone mounts into their vehicles - by the offside frontmost window. Noticed this when drivers ended up muttering to nothing in particular about delays. Might jus t be for vehicles running the gamut of Durham delays, mind (which would include the X12, of course!)

BusLoverMum



5,285
27 Nov 2016, 12:10 am #627
(26 Nov 2016, 2:17 pm)Andreos1 The demo or one of the Gemini's?

https://twitter.com/gonortheast/status/8...8370513920

That might explain why we saw a X10 leaving Peterlee, Newcastle bound by the X9 route at about 14:20

Glad we completely avoided Newcastle, this afternoon. Had been tempted to walk along and catch the X34 after a charmander hunt around Cleadon park, but the insoles of my boots were giving me grief, so we headed back South, instead.
BusLoverMum
27 Nov 2016, 12:10 am #627

(26 Nov 2016, 2:17 pm)Andreos1 The demo or one of the Gemini's?

https://twitter.com/gonortheast/status/8...8370513920

That might explain why we saw a X10 leaving Peterlee, Newcastle bound by the X9 route at about 14:20

Glad we completely avoided Newcastle, this afternoon. Had been tempted to walk along and catch the X34 after a charmander hunt around Cleadon park, but the insoles of my boots were giving me grief, so we headed back South, instead.

BusLoverMum



5,285
27 Nov 2016, 12:13 am #628
(26 Nov 2016, 11:49 pm)L469 YVK Don't want to stray onto suggestions here but could the following not happen subject to orders:

- X21 increased to every 20 minutes.
- 21 changed to Chester - Newcastle
only running every 10 minutes with increased running / recovery time.

When the 21 goes wrong, it goes very wrong, so increased recovery time owuldn't odo much about services that need to be regulated
BusLoverMum
27 Nov 2016, 12:13 am #628

(26 Nov 2016, 11:49 pm)L469 YVK Don't want to stray onto suggestions here but could the following not happen subject to orders:

- X21 increased to every 20 minutes.
- 21 changed to Chester - Newcastle
only running every 10 minutes with increased running / recovery time.

When the 21 goes wrong, it goes very wrong, so increased recovery time owuldn't odo much about services that need to be regulated

Jimmi

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10,971
27 Nov 2016, 12:22 am #629
(26 Nov 2016, 11:49 pm)L469 YVK Don't want to stray onto suggestions here but could the following not happen subject to orders:

- X21 increased to every 20 minutes.
- 21 changed to Chester - Newcastle
only running every 10 minutes with increased running / recovery time.

Problem with this idea is if you change the 21 to no longer run between Durham and Chester-le-Street, you would lose the link to Durham from parts of Chester-le-Street, Barley Mow, Birtley and Low Fell (excluding the Cannon stop) admittedly Barley Mow and Birtley would still have a limited service to/from Durham on service X22 but it's still not ideal, also you would have to probably arrange it so it serves all stops between Durham and Chester-le-Street in place of the 21.

In regards to the timekeeping on the 21, it is just one of those services where it's difficult to schedule and keep to time, it takes very little for things to go askew to affect the timekeeping, sometimes hitting traffic lights on red or taking ages to get out of junctions can Knock it all to hell and this is when it starts running in twos.
Edited 27 Nov 2016, 12:23 am by Jimmi.
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Jimmi
27 Nov 2016, 12:22 am #629

(26 Nov 2016, 11:49 pm)L469 YVK Don't want to stray onto suggestions here but could the following not happen subject to orders:

- X21 increased to every 20 minutes.
- 21 changed to Chester - Newcastle
only running every 10 minutes with increased running / recovery time.

Problem with this idea is if you change the 21 to no longer run between Durham and Chester-le-Street, you would lose the link to Durham from parts of Chester-le-Street, Barley Mow, Birtley and Low Fell (excluding the Cannon stop) admittedly Barley Mow and Birtley would still have a limited service to/from Durham on service X22 but it's still not ideal, also you would have to probably arrange it so it serves all stops between Durham and Chester-le-Street in place of the 21.

In regards to the timekeeping on the 21, it is just one of those services where it's difficult to schedule and keep to time, it takes very little for things to go askew to affect the timekeeping, sometimes hitting traffic lights on red or taking ages to get out of junctions can Knock it all to hell and this is when it starts running in twos.

My YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9HTKdt...fk4ab9rDjQ
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/127079988@N02/

James M



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27 Nov 2016, 12:52 am #630
(27 Nov 2016, 12:04 am)Ray Hi All,

On Friday I was able to get out and catch up with the ADL Enviro400 City demonstrator and thanks to the awful Black Friday traffic and the other general delays on its return to Gateshead it was running about 45 late. But in the end I was rewarded with the following photo opportunity which I was hoping for but never expecting to happen. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/rpbsp/31117742992/

oh lord that is practically heaven
James M
27 Nov 2016, 12:52 am #630

(27 Nov 2016, 12:04 am)Ray Hi All,

On Friday I was able to get out and catch up with the ADL Enviro400 City demonstrator and thanks to the awful Black Friday traffic and the other general delays on its return to Gateshead it was running about 45 late. But in the end I was rewarded with the following photo opportunity which I was hoping for but never expecting to happen. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/rpbsp/31117742992/

oh lord that is practically heaven

Pulsar



442
27 Nov 2016, 8:35 am #631
Does anyone know if 9098 is out today?
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Pulsar
27 Nov 2016, 8:35 am #631

Does anyone know if 9098 is out today?

My Flickr Account - Photos from the North East and Beyond.

Andreos1



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27 Nov 2016, 8:54 am #632
(26 Nov 2016, 8:18 am)S813 FVK Are they thinking of putting it on the X10 (not including the evening and Sunday variation which, if out tomorrow, it will obviously be on)? It seems to have been on the X9 every day so far.

Without the radio, it wont be out. I am dying to know how drivers/control communicate with each other adequately, to pull it out of service on a daily basis. I would have thought whatever method used then (whether its smoke signals, morse code or mobile phone) would be suitable on a night too.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
27 Nov 2016, 8:54 am #632

(26 Nov 2016, 8:18 am)S813 FVK Are they thinking of putting it on the X10 (not including the evening and Sunday variation which, if out tomorrow, it will obviously be on)? It seems to have been on the X9 every day so far.

Without the radio, it wont be out. I am dying to know how drivers/control communicate with each other adequately, to pull it out of service on a daily basis. I would have thought whatever method used then (whether its smoke signals, morse code or mobile phone) would be suitable on a night too.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Jimmi

Website


10,971
27 Nov 2016, 9:05 am #633
(27 Nov 2016, 8:35 am)Pulsar Does anyone know if 9098 is out today?
Apparently it is out today on the 08:00 X10 from Newcastle.
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Jimmi
27 Nov 2016, 9:05 am #633

(27 Nov 2016, 8:35 am)Pulsar Does anyone know if 9098 is out today?
Apparently it is out today on the 08:00 X10 from Newcastle.

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jamjam9206

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27 Nov 2016, 9:52 am #634
(27 Nov 2016, 8:35 am)Pulsar Does anyone know if 9098 is out today?
Yes it was on 08:00 x10 to midldborugh

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jamjam9206
27 Nov 2016, 9:52 am #634

(27 Nov 2016, 8:35 am)Pulsar Does anyone know if 9098 is out today?
Yes it was on 08:00 x10 to midldborugh

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Michael



19,175
27 Nov 2016, 9:57 am #635
(27 Nov 2016, 9:52 am)jamjam9206 Yes it was on 08:00 x10 to midldborugh

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... exactly what was said on the post above.
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Michael
27 Nov 2016, 9:57 am #635

(27 Nov 2016, 9:52 am)jamjam9206 Yes it was on 08:00 x10 to midldborugh

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... exactly what was said on the post above.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Mark1



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27 Nov 2016, 10:17 am #636
Do double deckers no longer operate on the 9 on matchdays? I noticed last weekend it was mainly Solars
Mark1
27 Nov 2016, 10:17 am #636

Do double deckers no longer operate on the 9 on matchdays? I noticed last weekend it was mainly Solars

missedbus



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27 Nov 2016, 10:18 am #637
(27 Nov 2016, 10:17 am)Mark1 Do double deckers no longer operate on the 9 on matchdays? I noticed last weekend it was mainly Solars

Deptford runs all the service these days and it's all Solars now, as all turns go through the Tyne Tunnel at some point.
missedbus
27 Nov 2016, 10:18 am #637

(27 Nov 2016, 10:17 am)Mark1 Do double deckers no longer operate on the 9 on matchdays? I noticed last weekend it was mainly Solars

Deptford runs all the service these days and it's all Solars now, as all turns go through the Tyne Tunnel at some point.

S813 FVK



6,030
27 Nov 2016, 10:21 am #638
(27 Nov 2016, 10:18 am)missedbus Deptford runs all the service these days and it's all Solars now, as all turns go through the Tyne Tunnel at some point.

Deckers are able to go through the Tyne Tunnel.
S813 FVK
27 Nov 2016, 10:21 am #638

(27 Nov 2016, 10:18 am)missedbus Deptford runs all the service these days and it's all Solars now, as all turns go through the Tyne Tunnel at some point.

Deckers are able to go through the Tyne Tunnel.

Pulsar



442
27 Nov 2016, 10:43 am #639
(27 Nov 2016, 9:05 am)Jimmi Apparently it is out today on the 08:00 X10 from Newcastle.

Thanks
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Pulsar
27 Nov 2016, 10:43 am #639

(27 Nov 2016, 9:05 am)Jimmi Apparently it is out today on the 08:00 X10 from Newcastle.

Thanks

My Flickr Account - Photos from the North East and Beyond.

missedbus



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27 Nov 2016, 10:47 am #640
(27 Nov 2016, 10:21 am)S813 FVK Deckers are able to go through the Tyne Tunnel.

I recall that Percy Main weren't keen on running Deckers as Northbound there's a height restriction of 13'1" in lane 2, and buses ideally need to use lane 2 at the Tunnel exit to go to Howdon. All other lanes can accommodate them.


Anyhow, Deptford chooses not to allocate them even on a Saturday when the misc workings the Vykings are allocated to don't run, and there must be a reason for this. They're more likely to be seen on the 20/20A on a match day.
missedbus
27 Nov 2016, 10:47 am #640

(27 Nov 2016, 10:21 am)S813 FVK Deckers are able to go through the Tyne Tunnel.

I recall that Percy Main weren't keen on running Deckers as Northbound there's a height restriction of 13'1" in lane 2, and buses ideally need to use lane 2 at the Tunnel exit to go to Howdon. All other lanes can accommodate them.


Anyhow, Deptford chooses not to allocate them even on a Saturday when the misc workings the Vykings are allocated to don't run, and there must be a reason for this. They're more likely to be seen on the 20/20A on a match day.

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