I've just noticed they didn't update the Angel Night Bus logo on the timetable, it still says it's an electric hybrid.
I also wonder if now the timetable has the new livery, the tables on board will too. It still annoys me every time I sit at the race track table and don't see a Streetdeck on the Angel

(16 May 2019, 10:46 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I've just noticed they didn't update the Angel Night Bus logo on the timetable, it still says it's an electric hybrid.
I also wonder if now the timetable has the new livery, the tables on board will too. It still annoys me every time I sit at the race track table and don't see a Streetdeck on the Angel

Your looking at the old one. New one doesn't have it on

(16 May 2019, 10:53 pm)JP6004 wrote Your looking at the old one. New one doesn't have it on

Nope, the new one definitely has the old Angel logo still on the Night bus, in fact, it looks like they just copy and pasted that whole section
Old:

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(16 May 2019, 11:03 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Nope, the new one definitely has the old Angel logo still on the Night bus, in fact, it looks like they just copy and pasted that whole section
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Sorry thought u meant on front page

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(16 May 2019, 4:31 pm)Dan wrote If I was deaf or blind, I'd hope that an audio/visual aid wouldn't be incorrect, which of course is the alternative if everything cannot be set up in time. Arriva North East tend to go for that option I have found, which I personally don't think is the best option for passengers who are visually impaired.

It is of course just a temporary solution... With over 50 buses transferring between depots this weekend, via points making a return to the destination displays, as well as timetables making a comeback (and lots of other things going on too), I'm sure you'll appreciate something has to give. 

That’s more buses moving in a single weekend than I can recall moving at the same time since a depot closed

With corporate double deckers on the X5 today, is it right to assume the Citaros are getting repainted?

(17 May 2019, 1:46 pm)BeachBoy99 wrote With corporate double deckers on the X5 today, is it right to assume the Citaros are getting repainted?

I'd imagine as it will no longer be regarded as an Express service. New timetables also show citaro in corporate livery

Has anyone noticed journey code D for the 55/55A/55X operates as service 35A

They must have been in a rush when making these new timetables, the 11, 55 and 57 have a misspelling (well a missing space) at the bottom of the second page



It also really annoys how the second page on the 50/50A timetable is missing the 'Get in touch' bar at the bottom

Also, is there any reason why the X66 hasn't received the updated timetable design? I guess they're working on a different design, similar to what they did for the Xline timetable and it wasn't finished in time

Glad to see paper timetables make a return, they look smart.

Phone not letting me attach pic...

(17 May 2019, 5:31 pm)Michael wrote Glad to see paper timetables make a return, they look smart.

Phone not letting me attach pic...

There you are Michael

https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/11...7308098560

(17 May 2019, 5:55 pm)citaro5284 wrote There you are Michael

https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/11...7308098560

Thanks, haven't been on Twitter today so didn't see his post, seen it else where.

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/poli...776088/amp

“Hundreds call for ‘essential’ Sunderland bus route to be saved as Go North East service set to be scrapped at weekend”

Some people aren’t happy about the 36 service being cancelled, it reports there are almost 600 signatures at time of the articles release.


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(17 May 2019, 7:36 pm)TEN 6083 wrote https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/poli...776088/amp

“Hundreds call for ‘essential’ Sunderland bus route to be saved as Go North East service set to be scrapped at weekend”

Some people aren’t happy about the 36 service being cancelled, it reports there are almost 600 signatures at time of the articles release.


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How many of those 600 people, use the 36 Monday to Saturday, or actually use the service at all?
I bet half of those signatures are from people who don't even use it...


I use the 36 but it all depends on what time i start and finish work, so some days i use it and some days i don't so i won't be signing it....

If a route isn't making a profit, it won't survive....

(17 May 2019, 2:15 pm)V514DFT wrote Has anyone noticed journey code D for the 55/55A/55X operates as service 35A

It is the same as now, on an evening the 35A runs once an hour to low moorsley and once an hour to houghton then it changes to an X5 to south hetton, this keeps the 35A every 30 mins on an evening to houghton but low moorsley and south hetton also have a bus once an hour

(17 May 2019, 7:52 pm)Michael wrote How many of those 600 people, use the 36 Monday to Saturday, or actually use the service at all?
I bet half of those signatures are from people who don't even use it...


I use the 36 but it all depends on what time i start and finish work, so some days i use it and some days i don't so i won't be signing it....

If a route isn't making a profit, it won't survive....

Unless they're using some sort of marketing speak, it's making a profit. 

 
passenger numbers on the route are too low for it to be kept in its ‘current form’.

 
They're still sending services on each and every section of the route. In its entirety.
Apart from one - the section from Fencehouses Front Street - Houghton via Dairy Lane. I'd suggest the only reason they're doing that, is because they're culling the 238 between Houghton and Barnwell and need something to plug a small section on Burnside Estate. 

If they wanted to spin the news in a positive light, they could have easily come up with something better than they have done.

Not sure you've worked that one out correctly, Andreos.

The old secured section of the 238 which was taken on commercially on a trial basis, between Hall Lane and Barnwell, has been replaced by the resurrected 79 service which has been awarded to JH Coaches under tender. The re-routing of the 71 via Burnside Estate has nothing to do with the 238?

The 71 being routed via Burnside Estate makes up for the loss of the 36 in this area - so this still maintains four buses per hour (with the 35) between here and Houghton-le-Spring.

Those travelling between Fencehouses Front Street and Dairy Lane are few and far between I suspect, but anyone doing this journey can still do it by riding through Houghton-le-Spring on service 4 (which is more frequent than service 36 anyway). If people don't want to ride through, then they could always walk to Chilton Moor (hardly a massive distance) to catch services 35 or X20 which will serve both stops on Dairy Lane like the 20A and 36 do at the moment.

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(17 May 2019, 8:38 pm)Dan wrote Not sure you've worked that one out correctly, Andreos.

The old secured section of the 238 which was taken on commercially on a trial basis, between Hall Lane and Barnwell, has been replaced by the resurrected 79 service which has been awarded to JH Coaches under tender. The re-routing of the 71 via Burnside Estate has nothing to do with the 238?

The 71 being routed via Burnside Estate makes up for the loss of the 36 in this area - so this still maintains four buses per hour (with the 35) between here and Houghton-le-Spring.

Those travelling between Fencehouses Front Street and Dairy Lane are few and far between I suspect, but anyone doing this journey can still do it by riding through Houghton-le-Spring on service 4 (which is more frequent than service 36 anyway). If people don't want to ride through, then they could always walk to Chilton Moor (hardly a massive distance) to catch services 35 or X20 which will serve both stops on Dairy Lane like the 20A and 36 do at the moment.

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Ah the old 'trial' basis line. They haven't used that one for a while. How long was this 'trial'? It seems its been a couple of years. That's a canny trial! 

I appreciate the numbers travelling between the sections now not served by the 71 following the axing of the 36, may be small. However it certainly inconveniences those boarding in those areas and travelling beyond. They now need to change buses and potentially incur increased costs through higher fares.

(18 May 2019, 8:43 am)Andreos1 wrote Ah the old 'trial' basis line. They haven't used that one for a while. How long was this 'trial'? It seems its been a couple of years. That's a canny trial! 

I appreciate the numbers travelling between the sections now not served by the 71 following the axing of the 36, may be small. However it certainly inconveniences those boarding in those areas and travelling beyond. They now need to change buses and potentially incur increased costs through higher fares.

H1 has gone the same, its now up for a contracted service, from 21/7/2019 because they aren't making any money on it, which i think we all knew it wouldn't.


H1 was began on 28th January 2018

(18 May 2019, 8:55 am)Michael wrote H1 has gone the same, its now up for a contracted service, from 21/7/2019 because they aren't making any money on it, which i think we all knew it wouldn't.


H1 was began on 28th January 2018

I think we all said the H1 would fail. Surprised its lasted that long.
Its now left to the taxpayer to pick up the gap left by commercial decisions that haven't worked. 

I can't remember the exact date the 238 was introduced on a commercial basis, but I'm pretty sure it was well before January last year. 
May 2016 or 2017 perhaps? Can vaguely remember using one of the last (if not the last) 79/79a runs.

(18 May 2019, 9:04 am)Andreos1 wrote I think we all said the H1 would fail. Surprised its lasted that long.
Its now left to the taxpayer to pick up the gap left by commercial decisions that haven't worked. 

I can't remember the exact date the 238 was introduced on a commercial basis, but I'm pretty sure it was well before January last year. 
May 2016 or 2017 perhaps? Can vaguely remember using one of the last (if not the last) 79/79a runs.

From ticketing analysis, I believe there was only a few people a week who used it to go to the hospital. The H1 was introduced because of the uproar from residents.
However are you going to run a service through a low catchment area opposed to an area with more passengers?

If people dont use the service then it's obvious that they will re-route to an area that will. Same reason the old M3 route was removed due to low numbers between heworth road and concord.

When I used to live in burnopfield and travelled to Washington on a Sunday, I wished they would merge the X43 and X88 so I didn't have to change buses to get to washy. Doubt they would create that service just for me......

Few stand changes in Park Lane tomorrow, so here is a list of where each service will go from... 


Stand A – X6/X7 – X21 (Arriva)
Stand B – 22/23 (Arriva)
Stand C - 9
Stand D - 60
Stand E – 38/38C/238
Stand F - 9
Stand G - 700
Stand H – 700
Stand J – 2/2A/39
Stand K – 8/8A/78/78A
Stand L - 20
Stand M – 35/X20
Stand N – 55/55A/55X
Stand P – 35/35A/135/136
Stand Q – 20
Stand R – No Services
Stand S – No Services
Stand T – 56
Stand V – 73 (NEXUS)

What is the Sunday allocation of the 55X will it be an X lines Solo now?

(18 May 2019, 9:22 am)JP6004 wrote From ticketing analysis, I believe there was only a few people a week who used it to go to the hospital. The H1 was introduced because of the uproar from residents.
However are you going to run a service through a low catchment area opposed to an area with more passengers?

If people dont use the service then it's obvious that they will re-route to an area that will. Same reason the old M3 route was removed due to low numbers between heworth road and concord.

When I used to live in burnopfield and travelled to Washington on a Sunday, I wished they would merge the X43 and X88 so I didn't have to change buses to get to washy. Doubt they would create that service just for me......

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. 
They removed the frequent 88/88a, which served the hospital at various times of the day. It operated during visiting hours.
It was partly replaced by the 26.

For those areas now not served by the 88/88a and 26, they introduced the H1.
It isn't frequent and it doesn't serve the hospital during visiting hours. 

For the westward part of the route, its living in the shadow of the 27 for a big chunk. Even taking in to account the local journeys people might want to make on it, there's more chance of getting the 27, than the H1.

(18 May 2019, 1:13 pm)Andreos1 wrote I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. 
They removed the frequent 88/88a, which served the hospital at various times of the day. It operated during visiting hours.
It was partly replaced by the 26.

For those areas now not served by the 88/88a and 26, they introduced the H1.
It isn't frequent and it doesn't serve the hospital during visiting hours. 

For the westward part of the route, its living in the shadow of the 27 for a big chunk. Even taking in to account the local journeys people might want to make on it, there's more chance of getting the 27, than the H1.

My point is if very few people are using the service between 2 points then whats the harm in re-routing a service where higher passenger numbers are to be anticipated?

(18 May 2019, 9:04 am)Andreos1 wrote I think we all said the H1 would fail. Surprised its lasted that long.
Its now left to the taxpayer to pick up the gap left by commercial decisions that haven't worked. 

I can't remember the exact date the 238 was introduced on a commercial basis, but I'm pretty sure it was well before January last year. 
May 2016 or 2017 perhaps? Can vaguely remember using one of the last (if not the last) 79/79a runs.

It was 30th May 2015 when Go North East took on the 79 commercially (as an extension of the 238).

(18 May 2019, 1:41 pm)busmanT wrote It was 30th May 2015 when Go North East took on the 79 commercially (as an extension of the 238).

A 4 year 'trial' then. 

A lot longer than I realised.
Could remember it being a bank holiday weekend, just thought it was more recent than that.

What will tonights vehicle transfers tonight be?
Is their any new planned odd working from tomorrow too?

(17 May 2019, 5:55 pm)citaro5284 wrote There you are Michael

https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/11...7308098560

Great stuff, I knew they would once Martijn was able to put his stamp on the operations.

The X6/X7 one looks remarkably similar to an Arriva timetable though!

Have Nexus travel centres still got racks available, I’m sure they downsized them, the old big wall at Gateshead was reduced to just a small panel at least? Also a shame they are still all closed on Saturdays.

I've got a feeling the Blue Arrow Scania Omnicities will be put into Store until they are repainted. Hence why the Scania Solar withdrawals aren't happening until June, as if they are going to Deptford, the staff will need to be type trained on them too.