(03 Jan 2014, 10:04 pm)andreos1 Nowt wrong with a bit debate, analysis or guess work though eh?
Not sure the higher fares discourage people from the 20.
It is an established service and unless people have access to a car, there isn't much choice but to use the 20 for cross border trips.
(03 Jan 2014, 10:04 pm)andreos1 Nowt wrong with a bit debate, analysis or guess work though eh?
Not sure the higher fares discourage people from the 20.
It is an established service and unless people have access to a car, there isn't much choice but to use the 20 for cross border trips.
(03 Jan 2014, 10:04 pm)andreos1 Nowt wrong with a bit debate, analysis or guess work though eh?
Not sure the higher fares discourage people from the 20.
It is an established service and unless people have access to a car, there isn't much choice but to use the 20 for cross border trips.
(03 Jan 2014, 10:04 pm)andreos1 Nowt wrong with a bit debate, analysis or guess work though eh?
Not sure the higher fares discourage people from the 20.
It is an established service and unless people have access to a car, there isn't much choice but to use the 20 for cross border trips.
(03 Jan 2014, 10:08 pm)Tom Well passenger numbers on the 20/20A were mixed today. 5213 on the 20A left Durham Millburngate full, around 3:30. But the next one, which was 4990, left with only 5 or so passengers
(03 Jan 2014, 10:08 pm)Tom Well passenger numbers on the 20/20A were mixed today. 5213 on the 20A left Durham Millburngate full, around 3:30. But the next one, which was 4990, left with only 5 or so passengers
(03 Jan 2014, 10:09 pm)Dan What's the ticket prices like on the 24 - a service which does compete with the 20? If someone is travelling from Park Lane all the way to Durham and there's a significant difference in ticket prices..?
Same goes for the Laser. If that's managing to beat competition hands down with ticket prices, well there you go... It's bringing in some of the competition'd revenue too.
Must be noted that there are significantly earlier runs on the Laser than the Bishop. Not sure if these are secured or commerically operated, but I've used the first 35 towards Shields on multiple occasions and have been forced to stand... Uh, three passengers on the first 20 this morning leaving Park Lane.
(03 Jan 2014, 10:09 pm)Dan What's the ticket prices like on the 24 - a service which does compete with the 20? If someone is travelling from Park Lane all the way to Durham and there's a significant difference in ticket prices..?
Same goes for the Laser. If that's managing to beat competition hands down with ticket prices, well there you go... It's bringing in some of the competition'd revenue too.
Must be noted that there are significantly earlier runs on the Laser than the Bishop. Not sure if these are secured or commerically operated, but I've used the first 35 towards Shields on multiple occasions and have been forced to stand... Uh, three passengers on the first 20 this morning leaving Park Lane.
I'm surprised GNE haven't willingly taken on the secured runs if that's the case... Standing at 4-5am in the morning? A sign of a good service if you ask me, one of which seems attractive to operate commercially.
Like I said in my previous post... Considered the consistensy of passenger numbers? If the ones on the Laser are consisently high over a service which has highs, lows, in betweens... I can definitely see why the Laser is being rumoured further investment into double decked vehicles and the Bishops just cascades to see if things improve (oh, a little like the Crusader, also down as a service potentially receiving investment next year).
(03 Jan 2014, 10:35 pm)Dan I'm surprised GNE haven't willingly taken on the secured runs if that's the case... Standing at 4-5am in the morning? A sign of a good service if you ask me, one of which seems attractive to operate commercially.
Like I said in my previous post... Considered the consistensy of passenger numbers? If the ones on the Laser are consisently high over a service which has highs, lows, in betweens... I can definitely see why the Laser is being rumoured further investment into double decked vehicles and the Bishops just cascades to see if things improve (oh, a little like the Crusader, also down as a service potentially receiving investment next year).
(03 Jan 2014, 10:35 pm)Dan I'm surprised GNE haven't willingly taken on the secured runs if that's the case... Standing at 4-5am in the morning? A sign of a good service if you ask me, one of which seems attractive to operate commercially.
Like I said in my previous post... Considered the consistensy of passenger numbers? If the ones on the Laser are consisently high over a service which has highs, lows, in betweens... I can definitely see why the Laser is being rumoured further investment into double decked vehicles and the Bishops just cascades to see if things improve (oh, a little like the Crusader, also down as a service potentially receiving investment next year).
Going to stick my two peneth in, I've noticed the 20 I get most weeks from Durham into Sunderland. And the journey if get most Tuesday and the occasional Thursday is the 12:52 departure and that departs with steady passengers of about 12-14 passengers, a few pensioners but majority paying passengers, usual two teenagers who pay 90p also. However if I'm delayed, I get the 1:02 journey and have noticed this to be much more packed, I once was finished my meeting early and went to Durham City retail park, and upon boarding the 20 was forced to stand all the way until Houghton!
Meanwhile, the 35 is equally as hitty missy I don't use the 35 very often but I use it fairly frequently. And as Andreos1 said, if I'm going to Hetton or Sourh Hetton I'll often opt to get a 20 then get a 35/35C/X35 etc from Houghton. I've seen journeys get quite full with a few standees but also seen very empty runs.
Both services I would of thought could justify some investment and both would justify deckers although taking my observations into account I'd argue the 20 justifies them more on passengers numbers but hey I don't know.
(03 Jan 2014, 10:49 pm)andreos1 Edit edit. Another point to make is the size of the PVR.
Replacing the fleet on the 35's and displacing them elsewhere has a massive impact on replacing older vehicles - more so than the 20's, which has a smaller PVR.
(03 Jan 2014, 10:49 pm)andreos1 Edit edit. Another point to make is the size of the PVR.
Replacing the fleet on the 35's and displacing them elsewhere has a massive impact on replacing older vehicles - more so than the 20's, which has a smaller PVR.
(03 Jan 2014, 11:43 pm)CatsFast101 Going to stick my two peneth in, I've noticed the 20 I get most weeks from Durham into Sunderland. And the journey if get most Tuesday and the occasional Thursday is the 12:52 departure and that departs with steady passengers of about 12-14 passengers, a few pensioners but majority paying passengers, usual two teenagers who pay 90p also. However if I'm delayed, I get the 1:02 journey and have noticed this to be much more packed, I once was finished my meeting early and went to Durham City retail park, and upon boarding the 20 was forced to stand all the way until Houghton!
Meanwhile, the 35 is equally as hitty missy I don't use the 35 very often but I use it fairly frequently. And as Andreos1 said, if I'm going to Hetton or Sourh Hetton I'll often opt to get a 20 then get a 35/35C/X35 etc from Houghton. I've seen journeys get quite full with a few standees but also seen very empty runs.
Both services I would of thought could justify some investment and both would justify deckers although taking my observations into account I'd argue the 20 justifies them more on passengers numbers but hey I don't know.
(03 Jan 2014, 11:43 pm)CatsFast101 Going to stick my two peneth in, I've noticed the 20 I get most weeks from Durham into Sunderland. And the journey if get most Tuesday and the occasional Thursday is the 12:52 departure and that departs with steady passengers of about 12-14 passengers, a few pensioners but majority paying passengers, usual two teenagers who pay 90p also. However if I'm delayed, I get the 1:02 journey and have noticed this to be much more packed, I once was finished my meeting early and went to Durham City retail park, and upon boarding the 20 was forced to stand all the way until Houghton!
Meanwhile, the 35 is equally as hitty missy I don't use the 35 very often but I use it fairly frequently. And as Andreos1 said, if I'm going to Hetton or Sourh Hetton I'll often opt to get a 20 then get a 35/35C/X35 etc from Houghton. I've seen journeys get quite full with a few standees but also seen very empty runs.
Both services I would of thought could justify some investment and both would justify deckers although taking my observations into account I'd argue the 20 justifies them more on passengers numbers but hey I don't know.
(04 Jan 2014, 11:55 am)andreos1 Ah whey, at least you are another regular passenger who observes how busy the 20's get and how others utilise the service.
(04 Jan 2014, 11:55 am)andreos1 Ah whey, at least you are another regular passenger who observes how busy the 20's get and how others utilise the service.
(04 Jan 2014, 12:02 pm)Dan Regular? Surely to be a 'regular passenger' and have a good idea of what loadings are like, you need to be travelling at different times of the day and on various days of the week, and should be travelling across the entire route while doing so?
(04 Jan 2014, 12:02 pm)Dan Regular? Surely to be a 'regular passenger' and have a good idea of what loadings are like, you need to be travelling at different times of the day and on various days of the week, and should be travelling across the entire route while doing so?
(04 Jan 2014, 12:05 pm)Michael every time I've used the 20/20A its being busy but this normally between 8-10am.
The 35 is quite busy to along Durham road.
(04 Jan 2014, 12:05 pm)Michael every time I've used the 20/20A its being busy but this normally between 8-10am.
The 35 is quite busy to along Durham road.
(03 Jan 2014, 11:43 pm)CatsFast101 Going to stick my two peneth in, I've noticed the 20 I get most weeks from Durham into Sunderland. And the journey if get most Tuesday and the occasional Thursday is the 12:52 departure and that departs with steady passengers of about 12-14 passengers, a few pensioners but majority paying passengers, usual two teenagers who pay 90p also. However if I'm delayed, I get the 1:02 journey and have noticed this to be much more packed, I once was finished my meeting early and went to Durham City retail park, and upon boarding the 20 was forced to stand all the way until Houghton!
(03 Jan 2014, 10:08 pm)Tom Well passenger numbers on the 20/20A were mixed today. 5213 on the 20A left Durham Millburngate full, around 3:30. But the next one, which was 4990, left with only 5 or so passengers
(03 Jan 2014, 11:43 pm)CatsFast101 Going to stick my two peneth in, I've noticed the 20 I get most weeks from Durham into Sunderland. And the journey if get most Tuesday and the occasional Thursday is the 12:52 departure and that departs with steady passengers of about 12-14 passengers, a few pensioners but majority paying passengers, usual two teenagers who pay 90p also. However if I'm delayed, I get the 1:02 journey and have noticed this to be much more packed, I once was finished my meeting early and went to Durham City retail park, and upon boarding the 20 was forced to stand all the way until Houghton!
(03 Jan 2014, 10:08 pm)Tom Well passenger numbers on the 20/20A were mixed today. 5213 on the 20A left Durham Millburngate full, around 3:30. But the next one, which was 4990, left with only 5 or so passengers
(04 Jan 2014, 12:07 pm)Dan Yup, and then between 4-6pm the loadings should be equally as good.
You're talking from 11am-3pm where things may not be as good. I'd be shunned if I brought figures into this though, so I best not...
The decision making from 'GNE Towers' won't ever please some people!
(04 Jan 2014, 12:07 pm)Dan Yup, and then between 4-6pm the loadings should be equally as good.
You're talking from 11am-3pm where things may not be as good. I'd be shunned if I brought figures into this though, so I best not...
The decision making from 'GNE Towers' won't ever please some people!
(04 Jan 2014, 12:02 pm)Dan Regular? Surely to be a 'regular passenger' and have a good idea of what loadings are like, you need to be travelling at different times of the day and on various days of the week, and should be travelling across the entire route while doing so?
A few weeks ago, I stood at Park Lane for about 30-40 minutes and observed the loadings of the Prince Bishops 20/20A... That was on a Saturday.
I'll do the same at Durham when I next go, and then I'll do the same with the Laser.
I can't say the results I got were overly great (considering 3 OAPs = 1 passenger).
(04 Jan 2014, 12:02 pm)Dan Regular? Surely to be a 'regular passenger' and have a good idea of what loadings are like, you need to be travelling at different times of the day and on various days of the week, and should be travelling across the entire route while doing so?
A few weeks ago, I stood at Park Lane for about 30-40 minutes and observed the loadings of the Prince Bishops 20/20A... That was on a Saturday.
I'll do the same at Durham when I next go, and then I'll do the same with the Laser.
I can't say the results I got were overly great (considering 3 OAPs = 1 passenger).
(04 Jan 2014, 12:11 pm)Michael Tbh i think both services are doing well for passengers numbers, all services have a slip up during the day of passenger numbers.
Its up to GNE what they want new buses on.. never know plans might change and both services might get decker's or they might not get anything new... plans can change quickly.
(04 Jan 2014, 12:11 pm)Michael Tbh i think both services are doing well for passengers numbers, all services have a slip up during the day of passenger numbers.
Its up to GNE what they want new buses on.. never know plans might change and both services might get decker's or they might not get anything new... plans can change quickly.
(04 Jan 2014, 12:13 pm)CatsFast101 Why are you shouting everyone down over this, I use the 20 about 10 times a week (Board Inn-Interchange, Houghton-Belmont, Durham-Sunderland etc.) I'd class my self as fairly regular passenger, you've admitted you don't use the 20 all to often so see it at park Lane a few times you happen to be passing but you now somewhat think that your opinion is superior over mine, Andreos1, and few others who have agreed with us. Why not take everyone's opinion on board instead of trying to prove everyone else wrong to prove you're right, we have no idea why the 35 would be put ahead of the 20 for upgrade; it could be argued the 35's have more potentional passengers due running two quite different routes (35/35A). However who's to say that the 20 and 35 may receive investment this year? We just don't know at this stage. I've given instance of the 20 loading at different points in the route however your Saturday observation at the termination point appears to be what you thinking we should al be be taken note of much more than my opinion.
(04 Jan 2014, 12:13 pm)CatsFast101 Why are you shouting everyone down over this, I use the 20 about 10 times a week (Board Inn-Interchange, Houghton-Belmont, Durham-Sunderland etc.) I'd class my self as fairly regular passenger, you've admitted you don't use the 20 all to often so see it at park Lane a few times you happen to be passing but you now somewhat think that your opinion is superior over mine, Andreos1, and few others who have agreed with us. Why not take everyone's opinion on board instead of trying to prove everyone else wrong to prove you're right, we have no idea why the 35 would be put ahead of the 20 for upgrade; it could be argued the 35's have more potentional passengers due running two quite different routes (35/35A). However who's to say that the 20 and 35 may receive investment this year? We just don't know at this stage. I've given instance of the 20 loading at different points in the route however your Saturday observation at the termination point appears to be what you thinking we should al be be taken note of much more than my opinion.
(04 Jan 2014, 12:11 pm)Michael Tbh i think both services are doing well for passengers numbers, all services have a slip up during the day of passenger numbers.
Its up to GNE what they want new buses on.. never know plans might change and both services might get decker's or they might not get anything new... plans can change quickly.
(04 Jan 2014, 12:11 pm)Michael Tbh i think both services are doing well for passengers numbers, all services have a slip up during the day of passenger numbers.
Its up to GNE what they want new buses on.. never know plans might change and both services might get decker's or they might not get anything new... plans can change quickly.
(04 Jan 2014, 12:11 pm)Dan This shows consistency, Andreos?
(04 Jan 2014, 12:11 pm)Dan This shows consistency, Andreos?