Just spotted this on VOSA...


Start point: Newcastle, John Dobson Street

Finish point: Scarborough, Rail Station

Via Gateshead, Washington, Middlesbrough, Whitby

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Starts 17th April 2021

So that's what the coachs are for

(06 Mar 2021, 1:38 pm)Michael wrote Just spotted this on VOSA...


Start point: Newcastle, John Dobson Street

Finish point: Scarborough, Rail Station

Via Gateshead, Washington, Middlesbrough, Whitby

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Starts 17th April 2021

That would probably explain what 6377 was doing on Thursday. Probably route testing/learning

https://bustimes.org/vehicles/246962?dat.../111505072
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/246962?dat.../111505072

(06 Mar 2021, 1:44 pm)Adtrainsam wrote That would probably explain what 6377 was doing on Thursday. Probably route testing/learning

https://bustimes.org/vehicles/246962?dat.../111505072
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/246962?dat.../111505072

Looks suspiciously like the X93 south of Middlesbrough

Via Washington, that's interesting

(06 Mar 2021, 1:43 pm)MichealAaron wrote So that's what the coachs are for

Which coaches were these again?

Its been a long week....

Any other services changes for GNE or just this one

(06 Mar 2021, 2:01 pm)V514DFT wrote Any other services changes for GNE or just this one

Nope, just that one atm.

(06 Mar 2021, 1:50 pm)GNE6312 wrote Looks suspiciously like the X93 south of Middlesbrough

Interesting, I wonder if Arriva will better their X93 then. Although Arriva don't look like they'd buy new vehicles, the current B9s are coming up to 7 years old now on a demanding route.

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7120 was seen at East Yorkshire's Anlaby Road depot this week. I think it's likely that GNE will be using those former X9/X10 coaches for the X11. They wouldn't be buying new vehicles for what appears to be a summer holiday route. If that's the case, I know I'd prefer a Levante over a B9 down the A19!

(06 Mar 2021, 1:59 pm)ifm001 wrote Via Washington, that's interesting

Would that be Washington services on the A1?

Might be one early journey south to north with a return from north to south at teatime and same going from north to south early morning with a teatime journey back south to north?


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(06 Mar 2021, 2:06 pm)Adtrainsam wrote Interesting, I wonder if Arriva will better their X93 then. Although Arriva don't look like they'd buy new vehicles, the current B9s are coming up to 7 years old now on a demanding route.

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/141960842@...007977968/

7120 was seen at East Yorkshire's Anlaby Road depot this week. I think it's likely that GNE will be using those former X9/X10 coaches for the X11. They wouldn't be buying new vehicles for what appears to be a summer holiday route. If that's the case, I know I'd prefer a Levante over a B9 down the A19!

Ah right

Why would the coaches go down to EY when it looks to be a Riverside based service?, unless its doing training or going for a refurbishment/repaint at EY?

(06 Mar 2021, 2:09 pm)Michael wrote Ah right

Why would the coaches go down to EY when it looks to be a Riverside based service?, unless its doing training or going for a refurbishment/repaint at EY?

Due to the length of the route, I would of thought East Yorkshire would jointly operate the route with GNE.

I think its serving Washington Galleries. Its strange a new X11 has appeared

(06 Mar 2021, 2:11 pm)michaelb wrote Due to the length of the route, I would of thought East Yorkshire would jointly operate the route with GNE.

That's true, never thought of that.

Hopefully its more than one a day in each direction - think it'll get used in the Summer

Wonder how tickets will be worked for the service?

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X-Lines X11?

Note the date it starts is a Saturday, dont know if that helps any of you at all

(06 Mar 2021, 2:06 pm)Adtrainsam wrote Interesting, I wonder if Arriva will better their X93 then. Although Arriva don't look like they'd buy new vehicles, the current B9s are coming up to 7 years old now on a demanding route.

To me that screams a daily summer only service, in the same way the old ANE X60/X61 were. 

With it seemingly stopping at Washington as well, I'd very much imagine that it's targeting the north end of the route rather than any of the X93 passengers. That said the B9s on the X93 are due for repaint into the new Sapphire livery now, so it's possible they receive an internal refresh too.

For those saying coach operation - I think that's very unlikely. For this to make money you need bums on seats, and a decker offers a significant increase in seating capacity compared to a coach. There's likely a very good reason why 6377 did that run the other day.

(06 Mar 2021, 2:25 pm)mb134 wrote To me that screams a daily summer only service, in the same way the old ANE X60/X61 were. 

With it seemingly stopping at Washington as well, I'd very much imagine that it's targeting the north end of the route rather than any of the X93 passengers. That said the B9s on the X93 are due for repaint into the new Sapphire livery now, so it's possible they receive an internal refresh too.

For those saying coach operation - I think that's very unlikely. For this to make money you need bums on seats, and a decker offers a significant increase in seating capacity compared to a coach. There's likely a very good reason why 6377 did that run the other day.

Would an interdeck not be suitable with 6377 deputising?

(06 Mar 2021, 2:36 pm)L469 YVK wrote Would an interdeck not be suitable with 6377 deputising?

That's still a reduced capacity versus 6377, or any decker, though. I think we saw with the ANE ones that they essentially need to be full but with a decent percentage of fare payers. A coach full of pensioners probably won't pay the bills.

Really good to see a new service being introduced. Hopefully its a success and can lead to other network improvements.

From the Go North East page, they've registered a new service X11 running from Newcastle to Scarborough.

I think it makes sense for them to try something like this, even if it's an infrequent service. I'm a big believer that post-lockdown, bus companies need to be thinking of anything they can do to encourage customers back onto the buses, or for new people to try bus travel. All ideas should be considered, and in this case I think people will want their days out at the coast in the summer months so why not try something that goes down to their other operating area in Scarborough.

In fact I suggested the other day that Arriva could try extending the odd X93 to run down to the holiday camps beyond Scarborough, or make it a new service.

It'll be interesting to see the details of the X11, and if Arriva react to it.

Interesting. 
I think this is a positive too. Not only for passengers heading to Scarborough, but also for those passengers heading from Teesside who don't fancy a tour of Stockton or Billingham on their daily commute north.
If operated correctly, I'd hope this would work alongside the X9/10 and complement its offering, with the Scarborough extensions being stabling type runs which offer commercial opportunities.

Wonder if it will be operated jointly by Go North East & East Yorkshire then in order to provide early morning journeys from both ends of the route.

It won't be a frequent service, it be one or two journeys each way departing Newcastle between 8am and 10am with the return leaving Scarborough between 4pm and 6pm. The vehicles will probably park up in the EYMS yard next to Scarborough Station between runs. I very much doubt there be much demand for a service running from Scarborough to Newcastle in the morning and back in the evening. As if people in Scarborough want to go to a City, they prob use a train or Yorkshire Coastliner service and go to York.

(06 Mar 2021, 3:23 pm)Malarkey wrote Wonder if it will be operated jointly by Go North East & East Yorkshire then in order to provide early morning journeys from both ends of the route.

I am sure you can take credit for suggesting this a couple of years ago, although there's no confirmation that it'll serve Lambton Village Centre yet #missedopportunity 

(06 Mar 2021, 3:30 pm)Rapidsnap wrote It won't be a frequent service, it be one or two journeys each way departing Newcastle between 8am and 10am with the return leaving Scarborough between 4pm and 6pm. The vehicles will probably park up in the EYMS yard next to Scarborough Station between runs. I very much doubt there be much demand for a service running from Scarborough to Newcastle in the morning and back in the evening. As if people in Scarborough want to go to a City, they prob use a train or Yorkshire Coastliner service and go to York.

I agree that the demand the other way would be somewhat limited. Train (or bus) to Leeds or York are probably better options if you live in Scarborough; I don't think Newcastle offers anything that you wouldn't get in either of those Cities.

Very impressed to see whitby service come to washington and newcastle. Wonder if X9/X10 plus tickets will now incorporate X11

(06 Mar 2021, 3:30 pm)Rapidsnap wrote It won't be a frequent service, it be one or two journeys each way departing Newcastle between 8am and 10am with the return leaving Scarborough between 4pm and 6pm. The vehicles will probably park up in the EYMS yard next to Scarborough Station between runs. I very much doubt there be much demand for a service running from Scarborough to Newcastle in the morning and back in the evening. As if people in Scarborough want to go to a City, they prob use a train or Yorkshire Coastliner service and go to York.

Agreed. I think it'll very much be along the lines of what ANE had with the X60. That it starts on a Saturday in April could be a coincidence, but to me you wouldn't start a commuter service on a Saturday (don't most service changes start on a Sun/Mon?). Of course it's also the first Saturday after shops are planned to reopen. Realistically if there was demand for a commuter service I'd have thought that ANE would have picked up on it with any X93/X12 through passengers. 

It's why I also think it'll be decker operated and not with coaching stock as mentioned earlier up, I cannot see them limiting passenger numbers to 50 or so - they'll be wanting full decker loads of 70+. I hope it works out for them, it'll be good to see the return of these sorts of routes.

(06 Mar 2021, 4:17 pm)mb134 wrote Agreed. I think it'll very much be along the lines of what ANE had with the X60. That it starts on a Saturday in April could be a coincidence, but to me you wouldn't start a commuter service on a Saturday (don't most service changes start on a Sun/Mon?). Of course it's also the first Saturday after shops are planned to reopen. Realistically if there was demand for a commuter service I'd have thought that ANE would have picked up on it with any X93/X12 through passengers. 

It's why I also think it'll be decker operated and not with coaching stock as mentioned earlier up, I cannot see them limiting passenger numbers to 50 or so - they'll be wanting full decker loads of 70+. I hope it works out for them, it'll be good to see the return of these sorts of routes.

You'd have to be dedicated to do the X93/X12 combination. The quickest way from Scarborough to Newcastle is Scarborough -> York -> Newcastle via train and still will be after this by a considerable margin aswell, doubt any commuters would go any other way.

Definitely aimed at leisure passengers.

Edit: Maybe not actually it's £100 for a return on the train or £55 splitting it at York, ouch.

There will be aiming at the staycation market too, no doubt a cheap way for families to go on holiday to a seaside resort like Scarborough.

I highly doubt the X11 will be included in any of the current ticket options, it's just too long of a journey.

I wonder if it'll be run under the 'Northern Coaching' brand rather than the either GNE or X-Lines, possibly with the Omnidekkas that have the coach style seats.