X11 timetables are now live on the Go North East website

8.40 it will depart Newcastle John Dobson Street Library getting to Scarborough for 11.45 and will depart Scarborough back to Newcastle for 17.45 and arrive back to Newcastle for 20.45

Note service according to service will run only Saturday and Sunday same times

not knowing much about services south of sunderland what would be the crack if I got the but there but the 545 was either full, i missed it due to the extra pint in the spoons or it didnt turn up. would there be an alternative way to get back to newcastle/gateshead?

Either get the train to York then up to Newcastle or jump on the X93 to Boro and the X9/X10 from Boro to where you need to be.

(30 Mar 2021, 5:49 pm)Rob44 wrote not knowing much about services south of sunderland what would be the crack if I got the but there but the 545 was either full, i missed it due to the extra pint in the spoons or it didnt turn up. would there be an alternative way to get back to newcastle/gateshead?

That's an interesting point. I haven't seen the fares for it yet, but I had assumed that only tickets would be valid that are purchased on the outward journey, which would avoid this from happening.

It'd be an expensive day out if it was 'tough' that the bus was full and passengers were expected to get the train instead. £33.70 for an off-peak 'walk on' single to Newcastle.

(30 Mar 2021, 6:04 pm)Adrian wrote That's an interesting point. I haven't seen the fares for it yet, but I had assumed that only tickets would be valid that are purchased on the outward journey, which would avoid this from happening.

It'd be an expensive day out if it was 'tough' that the bus was full and passengers were expected to get the train instead. £33.70 for an off-peak 'walk on' single to Newcastle.

On this point you'd hope that GNE would allow folk with an X11 ticket to use it on the X9/X10 on the northbound leg, meaning any punters left behind would only have to pay for a ticket for the X93. 

I do wonder what the plan is if the southbound journey hits bus full at Washington, for example. Do they dupe it for potential punters at Billingham and Peterlee? I don't see it as an issue if it gets bus full at Billingham, as realistically folk in Middlesbrough can just get the X93, but north of that it could get awkward.

(30 Mar 2021, 6:58 pm)mb134 wrote On this point you'd hope that GNE would allow folk with an X11 ticket to use it on the X9/X10 on the northbound leg, meaning any punters left behind would only have to pay for a ticket for the X93. 

I do wonder what the plan is if the southbound journey hits bus full at Washington, for example. Do they dupe it for potential punters at Billingham and Peterlee? I don't see it as an issue if it gets bus full at Billingham, as realistically folk in Middlesbrough can just get the X93, but north of that it could get awkward.

This sounds like a wonderful problem to have - let's hope Go North East do have to tackle such an issue (in reality, they probably won't!)

Has it been announced what the ticketing arrangements or prices are for the X11?

(30 Mar 2021, 7:29 pm)Andreos1 wrote Has it been announced what the ticketing arrangements or prices are for the X11?

I have a feeling the Explorer ticket will be valid as its allowed and valid on the X93 and to Scarborough

(30 Mar 2021, 8:08 pm)MichealAaron wrote I have a feeling the Explorer ticket will be valid as its allowed and valid on the X93 and to Scarborough

I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't. There's no way it can make a profit if they are as your capping the fare at £10.90 return which works out at about 9p a mile with very little intermediate journeys to top it up and that's ignoring pensioner passes.

It's not valid on the Hadrian Wall services either.

(30 Mar 2021, 7:28 pm)Dan wrote This sounds like a wonderful problem to have - let's hope Go North East do have to tackle such an issue (in reality, they probably won't!)

Plan to succeed and all that   . Would be fantastic to see it do well and repay GNE for showing some ambition in this climate, so best of luck!

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(30 Mar 2021, 8:08 pm)MichealAaron wrote I have a feeling the Explorer ticket will be valid as its allowed and valid on the X93 and to Scarborough

It might very well be valid, but you need to remember that the X11 and X93 are very different services.

The X93, while it does have a large seasonal element, will also be used by normal folk going about their lives. It's also an established service, operating at a much higher frequency, and I'd imagine passengers will generally be buying ANE-specific tickets.

The X11 is a once a day, seasonal, leisure service on a route that has been tried before by another large company and failed due to lack of money coming in. I don't think it would be a surprise if GNE only sold specific tickets, especially since they've timetabled it to leave Newcastle-Washington before passes kick in M-F.

Tbh id like to see how many people use it to get from Middlesbrough quicker than the X9/X10

(30 Mar 2021, 11:09 pm)MichealAaron wrote Tbh id like to see how many people use it to get from Middlesbrough quicker than the X9/X10

That's a perfect reason why I'm guessing it'll have it's own special ticket

Think most people would prob get the X9 / X10 anyway rather than waiting around for the one trip on the X11.

(30 Mar 2021, 8:08 pm)MichealAaron wrote I have a feeling the Explorer ticket will be valid as its allowed and valid on the X93 and to Scarborough

If I remember correctly when Arriva ran the X60 the Explorer was only valid between MId'Boro and Scarborough. Passengers from Newcastle had to purchase Arriva special day ticket.

If no one has said already It’s been noted that concessionary passes are not valid on this service due to no subsidies along this route


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(31 Mar 2021, 2:08 pm)TEN 6083 wrote If no one has said already It’s been noted that concessionary passes are not valid on this service due to no subsidies along this route


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If it is registered as a local bus service, it must accept ENCTS?

They have the details about the X11 up on the site now

It's honestly not as bad as I was expecting! The only thing stopping me having a go will be the timing

The pricing basically confirms the Explorer ticket won't be valid

https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/scarborough

When X-lines X11 runs
17 April until 30 May – weekends, bank holidays and school holidays
31 May until 3 September – daily
4 September until 31 October – weekends only

X-lines X11 timetable
View the X11 timetable – simply change the calendar to your desired date of travel

X-lines X11 tickets


[b]To Whitby – 1 day [/b]
[b]Adult[/b]
£12
[b]Under 16 / Concession[/b]
£6
[b]Group (any 4 people)[/b]
£40

[b]To Scarborough – 1 day [/b]
[b]Adult[/b]
£15
[b]Under 16 / Concession[/b]
£7
[b]Group (any 4 people)[/b]
£40

Our X11 tickets includes travel on any connecting Go North East buses, and we also throw in a free ride on the Beachcomber open-top bus that runs all along Scarborough sea front and can take you to Alpamare and Sea World.

Whitby
Wander through narrow lanes with shops selling tempting things from glassware crafts, jewellery, gifts and clothes to tasty treats and local delicacies.

Then climb the 199 steps up onto the headland to discover the starkly romantic ruins of the Abbey perched high on the cliff above the town.

Take a boat trip round the bay from the working harbour or just soak up the atmosphere of this characterful fishing town.

Scarborough
Enjoy this grand Yorkshire seaside resort with an imposing castle ruin on the headland, award-winning beaches, lovely old harbour and great family attractions.

The broad South Bay Beach has beautiful soft sand, excellent bathing and donkey rides for the kids. Or choose the North Bay Beach with its coveted Blue Flag status.

Kids will love the rides and slides at Alpamare, and the Sea Life Sanctuary is well worth a visit.

Check out Alonzi’s famous, fabulous, fifties-style genuine Italian ice cream parlour on the sea front – mmmmm!

We’ll even throw in a free ride on the Beachcomber open-top bus that runs all along the sea front and can take you to Alpamare and Sea World.

I might be tempted to give this a whirl.

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any connecting GNE bus? does that mean i could buy the ticket on the 28 for 15 quid and use to to get to scar bough and then back home for 15 quid or have i miss read that?

(31 Mar 2021, 3:35 pm)Rob44 wrote any connecting GNE bus?  does that mean i could buy the ticket on the 28 for 15 quid and use to to get to scar bough and then back home for 15 quid or have i miss read that?

Yes - effectively it's an all zones (incl X9/X10) day ticket, which also gets you on the X11 to Scarborough, and includes the open-top bus service in Scarborough operated by East Yorkshire within the cost.

£15 is brilliant value for the day, given that you can make the joining trips on/off the X11 and use the open topper. The Beachcomber is £5 adult / £12 group normally.

streetdeckfan suggests this rules out that Explorers aren't valid, but I cannot find anything to back that up on the Go North East or Network Ticketing website. Although its granted that they wouldn't be valid on the Beachcomber anyway.

(31 Mar 2021, 3:47 pm)Dan wrote Yes - effectively it's an all zones (incl X9/X10) day ticket, which also gets you on the X11 to Scarborough, and includes the open-top bus service in Scarborough operated by East Yorkshire within the cost.

Cheers dan

I think that ticketing is pretty reasonable. It's particularly good to see the open top services included, which I'm sure will be well used. While I would have liked to see more through tickets (such as enabling onward travel to Filey/Bridlington), realistically they wouldn't be well used since most people's first instinct after a three hour bus ride isn't to spend another hour going even further south!

One ticket which I was surprised not to see feature is any kind of period return - priced appropriately that could have attracted those making slightly longer stays as well as those making the trip in reverse (if all goes well, by the end of the summer there could even be demand from young Scarborough residents going on nights out in Newcastle). Such tickets are available on the Coastliner service from Leeds to Scarborough/Whitby. But then again - this is the first year this is operating, and I can understand wanting to have simple tickets while the service finds its feet.

(31 Mar 2021, 2:26 pm)RobinHood wrote If it is registered as a local bus service, it must accept ENCTS?

Confirmation

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(31 Mar 2021, 5:31 pm)BoroLad wrote I think that ticketing is pretty reasonable. It's particularly good to see the open top services included, which I'm sure will be well used. While I would have liked to see more through tickets (such as enabling onward travel to Filey/Bridlington), realistically they wouldn't be well used since most people's first instinct after a three hour bus ride isn't to spend another hour going even further south!

One ticket which I was surprised not to see feature is any kind of period return - priced appropriately that could have attracted those making slightly longer stays as well as those making the trip in reverse (if all goes well, by the end of the summer there could even be demand from young Scarborough residents going on nights out in Newcastle). Such tickets are available on the Coastliner service from Leeds to Scarborough/Whitby. But then again - this is the first year this is operating, and I can understand wanting to have simple tickets while the service finds its feet.

It seems they're going for the day-tripper market, over those staying for a day or two. I think that's clear with both the ticket structure and timetable. 

A shame, as I think that there could be scope for those people who are having a night or two in Whitby or Scarborough.

Don't forget, that for the majority, that 3 hours is going to be preceded by some sort of trip beforehand. Ditto on the return, where timings and connections aren't going to favourable for all.
It could be quite a long day!

It might be because it exceeds the maximum distance between stops that means passes aren't valid, maybe between Boro and Whitby there's no intermediate stops.

(31 Mar 2021, 5:40 pm)Rapidsnap wrote It might be because it exceeds the maximum distance between stops that means passes aren't valid, maybe between Boro and Whitby there's no intermediate stops.

I think it said on the timetable that there were timing points on the moors road.
Comparing it to the X9, I'd say Boro to the first stop on the moors road is less than Testos to Peterlee.

(31 Mar 2021, 2:26 pm)RobinHood wrote If it is registered as a local bus service, it must accept ENCTS?

(31 Mar 2021, 5:40 pm)Rapidsnap wrote It might be because it exceeds the maximum distance between stops that means passes aren't valid, maybe between Boro and Whitby there's no intermediate stops.

Not necessarily, if they're going down the route of applying the tourism exemption under the Travel concessions (eligible services) (amendment) order 2009:

"1.10 The 2009 amendment order explicitly excludes the following types of services from the mandatory concession, these are:

• services on which the majority of seats can be reserved in advance of travel (such as coaches)
  
• services that are intended to run for a period of less than 6 consecutive weeks
  
• services operated primarily for the purposes of tourism or because of the historical interest of the vehicle
  
• bus substitution (rail replacement) services
  
• services where the fare charged by the operator has a special amenity element"
  

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...vel-scheme

They should use 3999 then, covers the vehicle of historical interest too, ride Santas bus to Scarborough. *jokes*

Using an open topper on this could lead to all sorts of weird antics, that would probably end up on youtube.