September Service Changes
September Service Changes
“Go North East urged to ‘seriously reconsider’ wholesale changes to timetable from next month”:
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...s-21313068
https://twitter.com/platformtwptug/statu...87648?s=21
Another example of what happens when bus services are run for profit, not public good. Thousands of people will be impacted by these changes and have absolutely no say in them. Bus services should be geared around social benefits, not whether or not there is sufficient 'demand'.
In what part of the changes are major impacted that bad he's needed to write a letter (more than likely an email as I don't think the chronicle know the word email)
(16 Aug 2021, 2:26 pm)ne14ne1 “Go North East urged to ‘seriously reconsider’ wholesale changes to timetable from next month”:Agree but if not enough customers use a service to sustainably cover the cost, then what point is there running it?
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...s-21313068
https://twitter.com/platformtwptug/statu...87648?s=21
(16 Aug 2021, 2:26 pm)ne14ne1 “Go North East urged to ‘seriously reconsider’ wholesale changes to timetable from next month”:Agree but if not enough customers use a service to sustainably cover the cost, then what point is there running it?
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...s-21313068
https://twitter.com/platformtwptug/statu...87648?s=21
(16 Aug 2021, 3:24 pm)Train8261 Another example of what happens when bus services are run for profit, not public good. Thousands of people will be impacted by these changes and have absolutely no say in them. Bus services should be geared around social benefits, not whether or not there is sufficient 'demand'.But the thing is it comes down to money, and honestly there hasn't been any really major changes except 62/65/208 really.
In what part of the changes are major impacted that bad he's needed to write a letter (more than likely an email as I don't think the chronicle know the word email)
(16 Aug 2021, 3:24 pm)Train8261 Another example of what happens when bus services are run for profit, not public good. Thousands of people will be impacted by these changes and have absolutely no say in them. Bus services should be geared around social benefits, not whether or not there is sufficient 'demand'.But the thing is it comes down to money, and honestly there hasn't been any really major changes except 62/65/208 really.
In what part of the changes are major impacted that bad he's needed to write a letter (more than likely an email as I don't think the chronicle know the word email)
(16 Aug 2021, 3:49 pm)Keeiajs But the thing is it comes down to money, and honestly there hasn't been any really major changes except 62/65/208 really.
(16 Aug 2021, 3:49 pm)Keeiajs But the thing is it comes down to money, and honestly there hasn't been any really major changes except 62/65/208 really.
(16 Aug 2021, 4:31 pm)MurdnunoC Major for whom?But they haven't made any really drastic service changes they haven't cut off a area, or just abandoned it they tried to add service and re-route rounts. However if they can't make money and are losing money on routes its not GNE's fault.
An enthusiast may look at these changes and come to the conclusion that they are minor based upon things such as branding, route changes, or PVR. However, for someone who may live in Catchgate and work at the Metrocentre, to use an example, to find out their daily commute has changed might represent a significant and major change.
While these changes don't directly affect me, I'm also not dismissive about how these changes might affect others. I think some enthusiasts would do well to bear that in mind before jumping to the defence of their 'favourite bus company' or whatever.
(16 Aug 2021, 4:31 pm)MurdnunoC Major for whom?But they haven't made any really drastic service changes they haven't cut off a area, or just abandoned it they tried to add service and re-route rounts. However if they can't make money and are losing money on routes its not GNE's fault.
An enthusiast may look at these changes and come to the conclusion that they are minor based upon things such as branding, route changes, or PVR. However, for someone who may live in Catchgate and work at the Metrocentre, to use an example, to find out their daily commute has changed might represent a significant and major change.
While these changes don't directly affect me, I'm also not dismissive about how these changes might affect others. I think some enthusiasts would do well to bear that in mind before jumping to the defence of their 'favourite bus company' or whatever.
(16 Aug 2021, 4:31 pm)MurdnunoC Major for whom?
An enthusiast may look at these changes and come to the conclusion that they are minor based upon things such as branding, route changes, or PVR. However, for someone who may live in Catchgate and work at the Metrocentre, to use an example, to find out their daily commute has changed might represent a significant and major change.
While these changes don't directly affect me, I'm also not dismissive about how these changes might affect others. I think some enthusiasts would do well to bear that in mind before jumping to the defence of their 'favourite bus company' or whatever.
(16 Aug 2021, 4:31 pm)MurdnunoC Major for whom?
An enthusiast may look at these changes and come to the conclusion that they are minor based upon things such as branding, route changes, or PVR. However, for someone who may live in Catchgate and work at the Metrocentre, to use an example, to find out their daily commute has changed might represent a significant and major change.
While these changes don't directly affect me, I'm also not dismissive about how these changes might affect others. I think some enthusiasts would do well to bear that in mind before jumping to the defence of their 'favourite bus company' or whatever.
(16 Aug 2021, 3:24 pm)Train8261 Another example of what happens when bus services are run for profit, not public good. Thousands of people will be impacted by these changes and have absolutely no say in them. Bus services should be geared around social benefits, not whether or not there is sufficient 'demand'.
In what part of the changes are major impacted that bad he's needed to write a letter (more than likely an email as I don't think the chronicle know the word email)
(16 Aug 2021, 3:24 pm)Train8261 Another example of what happens when bus services are run for profit, not public good. Thousands of people will be impacted by these changes and have absolutely no say in them. Bus services should be geared around social benefits, not whether or not there is sufficient 'demand'.
In what part of the changes are major impacted that bad he's needed to write a letter (more than likely an email as I don't think the chronicle know the word email)
(16 Aug 2021, 3:24 pm)Train8261 Another example of what happens when bus services are run for profit, not public good. Thousands of people will be impacted by these changes and have absolutely no say in them. Bus services should be geared around social benefits, not whether or not there is sufficient 'demand'.I’m still not sure how GNE know what the demand will be when we continue to come out of lockdown. Many people have not gone properly back to work in the office, I also expect many were not going out for leisure purposes as much as previously due to being a bit nervous or due to all the general faff it was, but they will do. It all seems too premature to me.
In what part of the changes are major impacted that bad he's needed to write a letter (more than likely an email as I don't think the chronicle know the word email)
(16 Aug 2021, 3:24 pm)Train8261 Another example of what happens when bus services are run for profit, not public good. Thousands of people will be impacted by these changes and have absolutely no say in them. Bus services should be geared around social benefits, not whether or not there is sufficient 'demand'.I’m still not sure how GNE know what the demand will be when we continue to come out of lockdown. Many people have not gone properly back to work in the office, I also expect many were not going out for leisure purposes as much as previously due to being a bit nervous or due to all the general faff it was, but they will do. It all seems too premature to me.
In what part of the changes are major impacted that bad he's needed to write a letter (more than likely an email as I don't think the chronicle know the word email)
(16 Aug 2021, 5:10 pm)Andreos1 But there's repaints, new allocations and stuff!
Surely that's more of a priority and exciting than people being unable to get to work any more or seeing councils fill up the corporate begging bowl?
(16 Aug 2021, 5:10 pm)Andreos1 But there's repaints, new allocations and stuff!
Surely that's more of a priority and exciting than people being unable to get to work any more or seeing councils fill up the corporate begging bowl?
(16 Aug 2021, 5:10 pm)Andreos1 But there's repaints, new allocations and stuff!Well it's surely more exciting than getting to the point of being unable to sustainably & reliably deliver a service to customers even on the major trunk routes because of an aging fleet.
Surely that's more of a priority and exciting than people being unable to get to work any more or seeing councils fill up the corporate begging bowl?
(16 Aug 2021, 5:10 pm)Andreos1 But there's repaints, new allocations and stuff!Well it's surely more exciting than getting to the point of being unable to sustainably & reliably deliver a service to customers even on the major trunk routes because of an aging fleet.
Surely that's more of a priority and exciting than people being unable to get to work any more or seeing councils fill up the corporate begging bowl?
(16 Aug 2021, 6:11 pm)L469 YVK Well it's surely more exciting than getting to the point of being unable to sustainably & reliably deliver a service to customers even on the major trunk routes because of an aging fleet.
Blyth depot's youngest decker will be 10 year old come December / January not forgetting that they're a lightweight vehicle type. God knows what's happening at Jesmond and at Ashington, the Alnwick/Berwick 'X' routes are in need of an upgrade.
How are Arriva going to do achieve the above? Only way they can (unless they just stick a plaster over the issue with ex-London cascades by large) will be to cut and streamline their network.
(16 Aug 2021, 6:11 pm)L469 YVK Well it's surely more exciting than getting to the point of being unable to sustainably & reliably deliver a service to customers even on the major trunk routes because of an aging fleet.
Blyth depot's youngest decker will be 10 year old come December / January not forgetting that they're a lightweight vehicle type. God knows what's happening at Jesmond and at Ashington, the Alnwick/Berwick 'X' routes are in need of an upgrade.
How are Arriva going to do achieve the above? Only way they can (unless they just stick a plaster over the issue with ex-London cascades by large) will be to cut and streamline their network.
(16 Aug 2021, 6:24 pm)RobinHood Could of sworn this was a GNE thread...Of course it is but just using it as an example.
(16 Aug 2021, 6:24 pm)RobinHood Could of sworn this was a GNE thread...Of course it is but just using it as an example.
(16 Aug 2021, 6:11 pm)L469 YVK Well it's surely more exciting than getting to the point of being unable to sustainably & reliably deliver a service to customers even on the major trunk routes because of an aging fleet.
Blyth depot's youngest decker will be 10 year old come December / January not forgetting that they're a lightweight vehicle type. God knows what's happening at Jesmond and at Ashington, the Alnwick/Berwick 'X' routes are in need of an upgrade.
How are Arriva going to do achieve the above? Only way they can (unless they just stick a plaster over the issue with ex-London cascades by large) will be to cut and streamline their network.
(16 Aug 2021, 6:11 pm)L469 YVK Well it's surely more exciting than getting to the point of being unable to sustainably & reliably deliver a service to customers even on the major trunk routes because of an aging fleet.
Blyth depot's youngest decker will be 10 year old come December / January not forgetting that they're a lightweight vehicle type. God knows what's happening at Jesmond and at Ashington, the Alnwick/Berwick 'X' routes are in need of an upgrade.
How are Arriva going to do achieve the above? Only way they can (unless they just stick a plaster over the issue with ex-London cascades by large) will be to cut and streamline their network.
It is amusing when you see newspaper articles or facebook complaints about services being cut, but when the service being cut carries fresh air all day then somehow 2-300 people sign a petition to keep it running, if only those 2-300 people used the service in the first place it wouldn't get taken away, it simply is use it or loose it
(16 Aug 2021, 6:50 pm)Storx You do realise investments and cutting services aren't connected.But how did Arriva achieve a profit? Only investment since September 2014 in Northumbria has been 7541-52 and thats it. If Arriva/DB actually replaced the following (based on pre-covid):
The fact Arriva made a profit before the pandemic puts it in a much better place than GNE. If Arriva bought new buses then the cost of them would be offset from the benefits to customers and potential growth.
From an investors point of view GNE is by far the weakest out the three as there's no ability to grow the business and it doesn't make a profit anyway hence the only thing they can do is cut cut cut.
Funnily even known Arriva is so bad they've won the bus wars in both North Tyneside and Peterlee and they've done absolutely nothing, imagine if they actually done something what they could do.
(16 Aug 2021, 6:50 pm)Storx You do realise investments and cutting services aren't connected.But how did Arriva achieve a profit? Only investment since September 2014 in Northumbria has been 7541-52 and thats it. If Arriva/DB actually replaced the following (based on pre-covid):
The fact Arriva made a profit before the pandemic puts it in a much better place than GNE. If Arriva bought new buses then the cost of them would be offset from the benefits to customers and potential growth.
From an investors point of view GNE is by far the weakest out the three as there's no ability to grow the business and it doesn't make a profit anyway hence the only thing they can do is cut cut cut.
Funnily even known Arriva is so bad they've won the bus wars in both North Tyneside and Peterlee and they've done absolutely nothing, imagine if they actually done something what they could do.
