(17 Sep 2021, 11:08 pm)Rapidsnap Maybe they are withdrawing these services early because they need the drivers elsewhere.
Mind there isn't any mention of it on the GNE website, hopefully people don't turn up in Newcastle or Washington tomorrow expecting to go to Scarborough. It isn't even mentioned in the short notice cancellations.
(17 Sep 2021, 11:08 pm)Rapidsnap Maybe they are withdrawing these services early because they need the drivers elsewhere.
Mind there isn't any mention of it on the GNE website, hopefully people don't turn up in Newcastle or Washington tomorrow expecting to go to Scarborough. It isn't even mentioned in the short notice cancellations.
(18 Sep 2021, 8:20 am)Dan Two surplus light green Xlines branded StreetDecks.
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(18 Sep 2021, 8:20 am)Dan Two surplus light green Xlines branded StreetDecks.
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(17 Sep 2021, 7:11 am)Storx Personally I don't see the issue with the 24. There won't be many people going from Durham to Hartlepool throughout and unless the whole villages get on in Ludworth etc then there's no demand for a quicker service really. In a similar way there won't be many people going from Blackhall to Durham.Granted, the villages between Durham and Peterlee probably do have a lower population than Oakerside. But I'm not sure that means our transport needs should be disregarded and think ourselves lucky we have a service. Judging by Arriva's timetables and ticketing options, I'm apparently supposed to want to travel to Durham - a journey I only ever make if I absolutely have to and usually by car because it's generally impracticle to use the bus for the reasons I go in that direction.
imo. it's more for serving.
Oakeside - Durham
Oakeside - Peterlee
Shotton Collery and all the villages inbetween service - Durham
Peterlee - Hartlepool
Shotton Collery and Durham have a quicker service on the 22 to Peterlee so it's only the 4 small villages Sherburn, Shadwell, Ludworth and Haswell and there's probably 5k between them (in other areas of the country they wouldn't have a service at all especially on evenings and Sundays).
You could bring that 25 back, but the 24 wouldn't be running in the evenings so that's the compromise and the estates of Peterlee, which there's more passengers anyway wouldn't have a direct service to Hartlepool.
(17 Sep 2021, 7:11 am)Storx Personally I don't see the issue with the 24. There won't be many people going from Durham to Hartlepool throughout and unless the whole villages get on in Ludworth etc then there's no demand for a quicker service really. In a similar way there won't be many people going from Blackhall to Durham.Granted, the villages between Durham and Peterlee probably do have a lower population than Oakerside. But I'm not sure that means our transport needs should be disregarded and think ourselves lucky we have a service. Judging by Arriva's timetables and ticketing options, I'm apparently supposed to want to travel to Durham - a journey I only ever make if I absolutely have to and usually by car because it's generally impracticle to use the bus for the reasons I go in that direction.
imo. it's more for serving.
Oakeside - Durham
Oakeside - Peterlee
Shotton Collery and all the villages inbetween service - Durham
Peterlee - Hartlepool
Shotton Collery and Durham have a quicker service on the 22 to Peterlee so it's only the 4 small villages Sherburn, Shadwell, Ludworth and Haswell and there's probably 5k between them (in other areas of the country they wouldn't have a service at all especially on evenings and Sundays).
You could bring that 25 back, but the 24 wouldn't be running in the evenings so that's the compromise and the estates of Peterlee, which there's more passengers anyway wouldn't have a direct service to Hartlepool.
For most decker routes, does this sound a sensible prediction for allocations?
Consett
- 16/16A - 8x B5LH
- 47/47A - 6x B9TL
- X5/X15 - 4x B5LH
- X30's/X70's - 11x E400MMC
- X45/X46 - 7x B5TL & 2x E400MMC
Chester Le Street
- 21 - 16x OM934 StreetDeck MH2
- 25 - 6x OM934 StreetDeck MH1
- X21 - 8x OM934 StreetDeck MH3
Washington
- X1 - 13x OM934 StreetDeck MH3
Deptford
- 56 - 11x B9TL
Riverside
- 10/10A/10B - 9x B9TL
- 27 - 11x B9TL
- 58 - 6x B9TL
- 93/94 - 6x B9TL
- X9/X10 - 7x B11R
Hexham
- 10/10A/10B - 6x B9TL
- X84/X5 - 4x E400MMC
Percy Main
- 309/310/311/X39 - 16x B9TL
- DFDS - 2x B5TL
(18 Sep 2021, 12:07 pm)L469 YVK For most decker routes, does this sound a sensible prediction for allocations?
Consett
- 16/16A - 8x B5LH
- 47/47A - 6x B9TL
- X5/X15 - 4x B5LH
- X30's/X70's - 11x E400MMC
- X45/X46 - 7x B5TL & 2x E400MMC
Chester Le Street
- 21 - 16x OM934 StreetDeck MH2
- 25 - 6x OM934 StreetDeck MH1
- X21 - 8x OM934 StreetDeck MH3
Washington
- X1 - 13x OM934 StreetDeck MH3
Deptford
- 56 - 11x B9TL
Riverside
- 10/10A/10B - 9x B9TL
- 27 - 11x B9TL
- 58 - 6x B9TL
- 93/94 - 6x B9TL
- X9/X10 - 7x B11R
Hexham
- 10/10A/10B - 6x B9TL
- X84/X5 - 4x E400MMC
Percy Main
- 309/310/311/X39 - 16x B9TL
- DFDS - 2x B5TL
(18 Sep 2021, 12:07 pm)L469 YVK For most decker routes, does this sound a sensible prediction for allocations?
Consett
- 16/16A - 8x B5LH
- 47/47A - 6x B9TL
- X5/X15 - 4x B5LH
- X30's/X70's - 11x E400MMC
- X45/X46 - 7x B5TL & 2x E400MMC
Chester Le Street
- 21 - 16x OM934 StreetDeck MH2
- 25 - 6x OM934 StreetDeck MH1
- X21 - 8x OM934 StreetDeck MH3
Washington
- X1 - 13x OM934 StreetDeck MH3
Deptford
- 56 - 11x B9TL
Riverside
- 10/10A/10B - 9x B9TL
- 27 - 11x B9TL
- 58 - 6x B9TL
- 93/94 - 6x B9TL
- X9/X10 - 7x B11R
Hexham
- 10/10A/10B - 6x B9TL
- X84/X5 - 4x E400MMC
Percy Main
- 309/310/311/X39 - 16x B9TL
- DFDS - 2x B5TL
(18 Sep 2021, 12:22 pm)Dan Not really.
It’s bad enough repurposing the four StreetDecks from the X5/15 after such a short period - but at least there’s logic and rationale (i.e preparing for the Clean Air Zone) behind that.
There would be absolutely no point in swapping StreetDecks for Volvo B5s, when the B5s were put on the X21 to improve reliability (and have done so successfully) - just to then put StreetDecks back on after a year or so.
Moreover, DFDS (when it runs) needs four buses, not two, but at this moment in time it isn’t even running. It would be cheaper to upgrade older buses to Euro 6 status and I’m not sure why 6334 and 6335 would be taken out of a frontline role on X-lines when they’ve just been repainted and refurbished specifically for that purpose.
Not sure what the fascination is in upgrading the 25 back to double-deck but loadings do not warrant double-deck buses to be allocated.
The weekday PVR of the 93/94 is actually 7.
Let’s get this thread back on-topic (September service changes) and if we really want to speculate on the allocation of vehicles, keep that for another thread.
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(18 Sep 2021, 12:22 pm)Dan Not really.
It’s bad enough repurposing the four StreetDecks from the X5/15 after such a short period - but at least there’s logic and rationale (i.e preparing for the Clean Air Zone) behind that.
There would be absolutely no point in swapping StreetDecks for Volvo B5s, when the B5s were put on the X21 to improve reliability (and have done so successfully) - just to then put StreetDecks back on after a year or so.
Moreover, DFDS (when it runs) needs four buses, not two, but at this moment in time it isn’t even running. It would be cheaper to upgrade older buses to Euro 6 status and I’m not sure why 6334 and 6335 would be taken out of a frontline role on X-lines when they’ve just been repainted and refurbished specifically for that purpose.
Not sure what the fascination is in upgrading the 25 back to double-deck but loadings do not warrant double-deck buses to be allocated.
The weekday PVR of the 93/94 is actually 7.
Let’s get this thread back on-topic (September service changes) and if we really want to speculate on the allocation of vehicles, keep that for another thread.
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(18 Sep 2021, 12:22 pm)Dan Not really.I knew the 25 did not need double deckers.
It’s bad enough repurposing the four StreetDecks from the X5/15 after such a short period - but at least there’s logic and rationale (i.e preparing for the Clean Air Zone) behind that.
There would be absolutely no point in swapping StreetDecks for Volvo B5s, when the B5s were put on the X21 to improve reliability (and have done so successfully) - just to then put StreetDecks back on after a year or so.
Moreover, DFDS (when it runs) needs four buses, not two, but at this moment in time it isn’t even running. It would be cheaper to upgrade older buses to Euro 6 status and I’m not sure why 6334 and 6335 would be taken out of a frontline role on X-lines when they’ve just been repainted and refurbished specifically for that purpose.
Not sure what the fascination is in upgrading the 25 back to double-deck but loadings do not warrant double-deck buses to be allocated.
The weekday PVR of the 93/94 is actually 7.
Let’s get this thread back on-topic (September service changes) and if we really want to speculate on the allocation of vehicles, keep that for another thread.
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(18 Sep 2021, 12:22 pm)Dan Not really.I knew the 25 did not need double deckers.
It’s bad enough repurposing the four StreetDecks from the X5/15 after such a short period - but at least there’s logic and rationale (i.e preparing for the Clean Air Zone) behind that.
There would be absolutely no point in swapping StreetDecks for Volvo B5s, when the B5s were put on the X21 to improve reliability (and have done so successfully) - just to then put StreetDecks back on after a year or so.
Moreover, DFDS (when it runs) needs four buses, not two, but at this moment in time it isn’t even running. It would be cheaper to upgrade older buses to Euro 6 status and I’m not sure why 6334 and 6335 would be taken out of a frontline role on X-lines when they’ve just been repainted and refurbished specifically for that purpose.
Not sure what the fascination is in upgrading the 25 back to double-deck but loadings do not warrant double-deck buses to be allocated.
The weekday PVR of the 93/94 is actually 7.
Let’s get this thread back on-topic (September service changes) and if we really want to speculate on the allocation of vehicles, keep that for another thread.
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(18 Sep 2021, 1:10 pm)peter Are you able to confirm the future allocation of 6065-6070? The September service changes and subsequent reallocations seem to have left these vehicles high and dry with no obvious future use.4 of these I believe are to be Xlines yellow to replace 6304-07 on the X5/X15
(18 Sep 2021, 1:10 pm)peter Are you able to confirm the future allocation of 6065-6070? The September service changes and subsequent reallocations seem to have left these vehicles high and dry with no obvious future use.4 of these I believe are to be Xlines yellow to replace 6304-07 on the X5/X15
(18 Sep 2021, 2:27 pm)Stanleyone 4 of these I believe are to be Xlines yellow to replace 6304-07 on the X5/X15
(18 Sep 2021, 2:53 pm)peter Ah I see, I misread Dan's post as inferring that these weren't actually going onto the X5/X15. So if 6304-7 aren't going on the 25 will be interesting to see where they do end up!X1 maybe, not sure though.
(18 Sep 2021, 2:53 pm)peter Ah I see, I misread Dan's post as inferring that these weren't actually going onto the X5/X15. So if 6304-7 aren't going on the 25 will be interesting to see where they do end up!X1 maybe, not sure though.
(18 Sep 2021, 2:53 pm)peter Ah I see, I misread Dan's post as inferring that these weren't actually going onto the X5/X15. So if 6304-7 aren't going on the 25 will be interesting to see where they do end up!
(18 Sep 2021, 2:53 pm)peter Ah I see, I misread Dan's post as inferring that these weren't actually going onto the X5/X15. So if 6304-7 aren't going on the 25 will be interesting to see where they do end up!
(18 Sep 2021, 4:06 pm)Storx 6376 / 6377 - X1
Then have the 7 for spares between the 21, X21 (peak extras), Consett and Washington maybe? Don't believe there's any spares for the 21 atm and the X21 peak services are ran by Omnidekka's usually.
Doesn't seem too sensible having the brand new Streetdecks running around as spares and having 2 standard interior Streetdecks on the X1.
(18 Sep 2021, 4:06 pm)Storx 6376 / 6377 - X1
Then have the 7 for spares between the 21, X21 (peak extras), Consett and Washington maybe? Don't believe there's any spares for the 21 atm and the X21 peak services are ran by Omnidekka's usually.
Doesn't seem too sensible having the brand new Streetdecks running around as spares and having 2 standard interior Streetdecks on the X1.
(18 Sep 2021, 5:04 pm)peter It still seems slightly perplexing having 16-reg Streetdecks running around as spares given they're only 5 years old while the 47/47A is being given the B9's. I suppose if the reliability of the 6301-7 batch is questionable it makes sense.What about 6331-6333?
I'd guess 6363 might be repainted for the X1 then 6376/77 as X-Lines spares there. The other spare light-green Streetdeck kept as a branded spare or 6331 given a black repaint. 6336/38-40 used as remaining X-Lines spares at Consett. 6301-7 spread across Chester (for 21/X21 spares), Consett and Washington. Cobalt and Coast 6102-6117 (6100/01 spare), Cityrider 6088-6098 (6087/99 spare), Crusader 6002-7/51-55 (6001/50 spare), Ten 10A/B 6077-6085 (6086 spare), 10 6071-6076 (6049 spare), 47/47A 6043-6048 (6064 spare), Diamond 6056-63 (6069 spare).
(18 Sep 2021, 5:04 pm)peter It still seems slightly perplexing having 16-reg Streetdecks running around as spares given they're only 5 years old while the 47/47A is being given the B9's. I suppose if the reliability of the 6301-7 batch is questionable it makes sense.What about 6331-6333?
I'd guess 6363 might be repainted for the X1 then 6376/77 as X-Lines spares there. The other spare light-green Streetdeck kept as a branded spare or 6331 given a black repaint. 6336/38-40 used as remaining X-Lines spares at Consett. 6301-7 spread across Chester (for 21/X21 spares), Consett and Washington. Cobalt and Coast 6102-6117 (6100/01 spare), Cityrider 6088-6098 (6087/99 spare), Crusader 6002-7/51-55 (6001/50 spare), Ten 10A/B 6077-6085 (6086 spare), 10 6071-6076 (6049 spare), 47/47A 6043-6048 (6064 spare), Diamond 6056-63 (6069 spare).
(18 Sep 2021, 5:04 pm)peter It still seems slightly perplexing having 16-reg Streetdecks running around as spares given they're only 5 years old while the 47/47A is being given the B9's. I suppose if the reliability of the 6301-7 batch is questionable it makes sense.
I'd guess 6363 might be repainted for the X1 then 6376/77 as X-Lines spares there. The other spare light-green Streetdeck kept as a branded spare or 6331 given a black repaint. 6336/38-40 used as remaining X-Lines spares at Consett. 6301-7 spread across Chester (for 21/X21 spares), Consett and Washington. Cobalt and Coast 6102-6117 (6100/01 spare), Cityrider 6088-6098 (6087/99 spare), Crusader 6002-7/51-55 (6001/50 spare), Ten 10A/B 6077-6085 (6086 spare), 10 6071-6076 (6049 spare), 47/47A 6043-6048 (6064 spare), Diamond 6056-63 (6069 spare).
(18 Sep 2021, 5:04 pm)peter It still seems slightly perplexing having 16-reg Streetdecks running around as spares given they're only 5 years old while the 47/47A is being given the B9's. I suppose if the reliability of the 6301-7 batch is questionable it makes sense.
I'd guess 6363 might be repainted for the X1 then 6376/77 as X-Lines spares there. The other spare light-green Streetdeck kept as a branded spare or 6331 given a black repaint. 6336/38-40 used as remaining X-Lines spares at Consett. 6301-7 spread across Chester (for 21/X21 spares), Consett and Washington. Cobalt and Coast 6102-6117 (6100/01 spare), Cityrider 6088-6098 (6087/99 spare), Crusader 6002-7/51-55 (6001/50 spare), Ten 10A/B 6077-6085 (6086 spare), 10 6071-6076 (6049 spare), 47/47A 6043-6048 (6064 spare), Diamond 6056-63 (6069 spare).
(18 Sep 2021, 5:31 pm)Keeiajs What about 6331-6333?
(18 Sep 2021, 6:21 pm)Storx Yeah I know what you mean like tbh using them as spares. Mind I'd probably prefer a B9TL over the early Streetdeck's but that's just me.
Yeah that's what I think pretty much really. Lot of spares at Consett, so maybe 6336 off the Hexham to leave another for the X84/X85 and 10 possibly. Be a bit risky just having 2 spares for everything but other than that pretty much what I expect.
(18 Sep 2021, 5:31 pm)Keeiajs What about 6331-6333?
(18 Sep 2021, 6:21 pm)Storx Yeah I know what you mean like tbh using them as spares. Mind I'd probably prefer a B9TL over the early Streetdeck's but that's just me.
Yeah that's what I think pretty much really. Lot of spares at Consett, so maybe 6336 off the Hexham to leave another for the X84/X85 and 10 possibly. Be a bit risky just having 2 spares for everything but other than that pretty much what I expect.
