(27 Sep 2021, 7:35 pm)Tiger5105 wrote The coast and country streetlites seem very reliable. They don't often miss being on service and plenty of days when the whole batch of 5402 - 5408 are in service on the 78 from Consett.
Given the high mileage route they operate that's quite an achievement.  

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Most of the time in Sunderland when I see them they are the branded buses, I know they need a PVR of 1 spare. So i let that go. But I can be at the bus station for 60-120 mins waiting for people. And they are reliable. Probs some of the most reliable streetlites in the fleet.

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(27 Sep 2021, 7:38 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Side note, and sorry for sounding picky, but they’re not “2019 branded” or “spare branded”.  2019 Corporate Livery / GNE Livery is not a route brand.

Ah, soz.

(27 Sep 2021, 7:02 pm)Keeiajs wrote I mean, isn't that what spare branded buses are for. Not 3 Violets on 35 & 2. I went past deptford, there was quite a few buses.

There are allocated berries doing the 55 and 61 also, should of made so there be just 1 brand for Sunderland boundary area, if a Berry is doing other branded services then that allocation should just be a cooperate colour bus, otherwise it’s just going to confuse the passenger who waiting for a certain colour branded bus to get home.


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(27 Sep 2021, 7:02 pm)Keeiajs wrote I mean, isn't that what spare branded buses are for. Not 3 Violets on 35 & 2. I went past deptford, there was quite a few buses.

I’ve heard that there’s a percentage of bus drivers in the uk have quit and have turned to hgv driving as the pay has gone up with bonuses


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(27 Sep 2021, 7:36 pm)Michael wrote Ah right, but they could be awaiting parts etc?

I don't work for GNE so have no idea.

Tbh, while I did see quite a few buses at Deptford today. Looking over bus times they don't have many free buses. Infact I think they'll end up needing more. With Deptford having the old age average in all of GNE's depots, Bar Riverside, but riverside has a lot of buses. 
It just boggles my head why they would Sick a omnidekka on the 33 or 39, when there are buses which they could switch out. Such as a Streetlites on there instead of a omnidekka and stick that on the X20. 
Or why stick all the Violet branded buses on not the 55, when there is 3. 2 on the 35. And the cherry branded bus being on the 55. Just perplexes me.

(27 Sep 2021, 7:44 pm)Keeiajs wrote Tbh, while I did see quite a few buses at Deptford today. Looking over bus times they don't have many free buses. Infact I think they'll end up needing more. With Deptford having the old age average in all of GNE's depots, Bar Riverside, but riverside has a lot of buses. 
It just boggles my head why they would Sick a omnidekka on the 33 or 39, when there are buses which they could switch out. Such as a Streetlites on there instead of a omnidekka and stick that on the X20. 
Or why stick all the Violet branded buses on not the 55, when there is 3. 2 on the 35. And the cherry branded bus being on the 55. Just perplexes me.

There was a board for a decker on an early morning X20 , and occasionally one has dropped all day, but the decker allocation is much tighter now with the 4274/5025 accounting for 3943/6942

(27 Sep 2021, 7:40 pm)cbma06 wrote There are allocated berries doing the 55 and 61  also, should of made so there be just 1 brand for Sunderland boundary area, if a Berry is doing other branded services then that allocation should  just be a cooperate colour bus, otherwise it’s just going to confuse the passenger who waiting for a certain colour branded bus to get home.


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Well the Berries do a 55, on a morning and afternoon, same what a Drifter did. 

And 61/2 interwork same as what the 60 used to do. I mean seeing two violets on the 35, and a cherry on the 55 yesterday was quite confusing as those dests aren’t the best when it is sunny.

6302 has moved to Washington now on the X1

ALL East Durham Explorer Branded Vehicles are on.

62 looks like it has good loadings with the X6, nice to see. I also think there will be like 6 Peterlee Purples based at Deptford as that is where the 62/X6 operate from. 

And another 2 are being replanted into the S&D Silver. Wonder what buses the S&D Blonde are getting.

(24 Sep 2021, 7:42 pm)Stanleyone wrote It's been said over and over again, there's no point in moving  recently painted B5s from chester to Consett in exchange for streetdecks, it's simply not cost effective.

Passed X21 Bishop bound B5TL transferring passengers at Parkhead onto spare gemini 5.35pm tonite

Apologies if I've missed something but what has happened to streetdeck 6369 as ots disappeared from bustimes altogether after showing as not being used since May

(28 Sep 2021, 4:32 pm)Keeiajs wrote 62 looks like it has good loadings with the X6, nice to see. I also think there will be like 6 Peterlee Purples based at Deptford as that is where the 62/X6 operate from. 

And another 2 are being replanted into the S&D Silver. Wonder what buses the S&D Blonde are getting.

Only needs 1 vehicle from what I can tell - assuming the other runs are Peterlee Purples where they interwork with X6/62

(28 Sep 2021, 5:05 pm)Tiger5105 wrote Apologies if I've missed something but what has happened to streetdeck 6369 as ots disappeared from bustimes altogether after showing as not being used since May

Might have been in a accident and impounded.

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(28 Sep 2021, 5:46 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Only needs 1 vehicle from what I can tell - assuming the other runs are Peterlee Purples where they interwork with X6/62

I believe you are correct.

Which non-Dual door buses have electric ramps. I think only Euro 4 OmniCitys do? Any other ones?

(29 Sep 2021, 4:56 pm)Keeiajs wrote Which non-Dual door buses have electric ramps. I think only Euro 4 OmniCitys do? Any other ones?

Most buses bought between 2005 and 2014 came with electric ramps, but they've all been replaced for manual ramps due to being more reliable. Always made me nervous on a Gold 35 Citaro when I had a wheelchair hoping the ramp worked on the bus and wasn't going to fail and leave everyone stranded.

(29 Sep 2021, 5:04 pm)deanmachine wrote Most buses bought between 2005 and 2014 came with electric ramps, but they've all been replaced for manual ramps due to being more reliable. Always made me nervous on a Gold 35 Citaro when I had a wheelchair hoping the ramp worked on the bus and wasn't going to fail and leave everyone stranded.

I remember I was at Park Lane and there was a LIME Cadet, and the ramp just wouldn't go fully down or return in. But I didn't know GNE had any, turns out there are some OmniCitys with it. Well atleast one. And I believe this one is Euro 4 as it was based in Chester-Le-Street.

(29 Sep 2021, 5:04 pm)deanmachine wrote Most buses bought between 2005 and 2014 came with electric ramps, but they've all been replaced for manual ramps due to being more reliable. Always made me nervous on a Gold 35 Citaro when I had a wheelchair hoping the ramp worked on the bus and wasn't going to fail and leave everyone stranded.

I think it may have been even earlier than 2005,im sure Arriva had electric ramps on the renowns which were either 1998 or 1999,i remember the ramps forever failing on those

(28 Sep 2021, 5:00 pm)buznut wrote Passed X21 Bishop bound B5TL transferring passengers at Parkhead onto spare gemini 5.35pm tonite

And that's the whole point why I suggested a swap with 6356-63.

The X45/X46 and 45/46/47 was previously run fine using StreetLites. Given the evening & Sunday boards are now E400MMCs (unless Sunday 47/47A will be covered by StreetDecks over B9TLs), it would make sense to swap not forgetting extra 35-40ish round mile enhanced BSOG per journey and fleet commonality given the size of CLS & Washington depots.

A total waste of money potentially having brand new under warranty vehicles parked up on evenings & Sundays when they should be out on the road making revenue.

(29 Sep 2021, 9:06 pm)V514DFT wrote I think it may have been even earlier than 2005,im sure Arriva had electric ramps on the renowns which were either 1998 or 1999,i remember the ramps forever failing on those

Yes true, I was forgetting some of the Solars I drove were a lot older than the 54 plate ones, and I seem to remember a few of them having defunct wheelchair ramp switches.

(29 Sep 2021, 9:40 pm)L469 YVK wrote And that's the whole point why I suggested a swap with 6356-63.

The X45/X46 and 45/46/47 was previously run fine using StreetLites. Given the evening & Sunday boards are now E400MMCs (unless Sunday 47/47A will be covered by StreetDecks over B9TLs), it would make sense to swap not forgetting extra 35-40ish round mile enhanced BSOG per journey and fleet commonality given the size of CLS & Washington depots.

A total waste of money potentially having brand new under warranty vehicles parked up on evenings & Sundays when they should be out on the road making revenue.

I was clear last time, it isn’t going to happen.

StreetDecks aren’t suited to a route like the X21, that has been proven. Pointless running the risk with newer StreetDecks where the exact same could happen again.


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(30 Sep 2021, 5:25 am)Dan wrote I was clear last time, it isn’t going to happen.

StreetDecks aren’t suited to a route like the X21, that has been proven. Pointless running the risk with newer StreetDecks where the exact same could happen again.


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Seems the current ones on it, aren't that suited aswell. Some spend more time off the road than on.

(30 Sep 2021, 6:36 am)Keeiajs wrote Seems the current ones on it, aren't that suited aswell. Some spend more time off the road than on.

Another ridiculous statement…


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(30 Sep 2021, 5:25 am)Dan wrote I was clear last time, it isn’t going to happen.

StreetDecks aren’t suited to a route like the X21, that has been proven. Pointless running the risk with newer StreetDecks where the exact same could happen again.


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So why was the initial plan (pre-covid) to actually operate the service using StreetDecks with a mix of old and new ones?

If they're supposedly unsuitable for the X21, then surely the same argument could apply for the X1 given the intensity of the operation (considering an E400MMC was initially trialled in Dec 2018 before WrightBus' issues and an eventual order was placed before they ended up at Consett).

Unless the B5TLs are off the road due to engineering & parts shortages?

(30 Sep 2021, 7:57 am)L469 YVK wrote So why was the initial plan (pre-covid) to actually operate the service using StreetDecks with a mix of old and new ones?

Because the fleet strategy was different back then?

The coaches probably wouldn't have migrated quite so soon, if at all, freeing the B5TLs had it not been for covid adjustments.

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Do 56 Vehicles have Plug Sockets?

(30 Sep 2021, 1:50 pm)Keeiajs wrote Do 56 Vehicles have Plug Sockets?

I think so

708 is now at Deptford on Staff Shuttle.

(30 Sep 2021, 9:44 am)S813 FVK wrote Because the fleet strategy was different back then?

The coaches probably wouldn't have migrated quite so soon, if at all, feeing the B5TLs had it not been for covid adjustments.

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But working the BSOG rate out (if still 14p per KM)

- 32km (20mi) = 4.48 * 36 (number of full WA trips in either direction) = £161.28 per day

- £161.28 * 5 (Mon-Fri) = £806.40

- £806.40 * 52 (give or take for BHols etc) = £41.9k

And that's the headline figure alone. Not forgetting Saturdays (full route) and also the Sunday trips (BA only)

(30 Sep 2021, 4:06 pm)L469 YVK wrote But working the BSOG rate out (if still 14p per KM)

- 32km (20mi) = 4.48 * 36 (number of full WA trips in either direction) = £161.28 per day

- £161.28 * 5 (Mon-Fri) = £806.40

- £806.40 * 52 (give or take for BHols etc) = £41.9k

And that's the headline figure alone. Not forgetting Saturdays (full route) and also the Sunday trips (BA only)

Who’s to say that the enhanced BSOG payments are here to stay?


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Anyone know when - 

Blue Livery is being applied (5)
berries Trim/USB
Blonde Livery (1)
Grahphite Livery (7)
Silver Livery (2), and what is after that.

(30 Sep 2021, 4:06 pm)L469 YVK wrote But working the BSOG rate out (if still 14p per KM)

- 32km (20mi) = 4.48 * 36 (number of full WA trips in either direction) = £161.28 per day

- £161.28 * 5 (Mon-Fri) = £806.40

- £806.40 * 52 (give or take for BHols etc) = £41.9k

And that's the headline figure alone. Not forgetting Saturdays (full route) and also the Sunday trips (BA only)

The full X21 route is 32 miles not 32km