https://twitter.com/Dan3942/status/14497...83173?s=20 seems to be another set of service changes coming...

(17 Oct 2021, 6:48 pm)Keeiajs wrote https://twitter.com/Dan3942/status/14497...83173?s=20 seems to be another set of service changes coming...

Wonder whats changing?


Dan kinda confirmed more runs on the 4 to Amazon.

(17 Oct 2021, 7:12 pm)Michael wrote Wonder whats changing?


Dan kinda confirmed more runs on the 4 to Amazon.

I can imagine some X6/62 changes. Maybe some 50/26's not sure what else.

(17 Oct 2021, 7:27 pm)Keeiajs wrote I can imagine some X6/62 changes. Maybe some 50/26's not sure what else.

Hopefully some later X21s! (I wish lol)

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I did suggest the following to GNE so let's see what happens.Would be mad not giving it a try given the run up to Xmas:

- 310 @ 2240 ex Newcastle re-routed via Hadrian Park
- 311 @ 2300 ex Newcastle withdrawn (journey replaced by 309 below)
- 309 @ 2305 ex Newcastle introduced to either Whitley Bay or Blyth (formed from 311 ex Hadrian Park @ 2229)
- 310 @ 2320 ex Newcastle re-timed to depart at 2330 and re-routed via Hadrian Park

I can imagine it's just minor timetable changes for reliability than big changes with a few peak changes to the 4. There hasn't been really enough time to really judge how well/badly they're doing.

(17 Oct 2021, 7:27 pm)Keeiajs wrote I can imagine some X6/62 changes. Maybe some 50/26's not sure what else.

I wonder if the X6 was set up for withdrawl within a couple of months when the 62 got introduced?, same as the 55 with the X1 reintroduced to Peterlee and the last minute change to the X20 which was set to come out of rainton and into doxford international to replace that section of 55?.


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(18 Oct 2021, 8:06 am)Storx wrote I can imagine it's just minor timetable changes for reliability than big changes with a few peak changes to the 4. There hasn't been really enough time to really judge how well/badly they're doing.

Correct - very slight adjustments following customer and colleague feedback.

As services have been revised to provide combined frequencies on certain corridors (i.e. 56/57/58), a small tweak to one results in the others needing to be changed too.

(18 Oct 2021, 11:02 am)Dan wrote Correct - very slight adjustments following customer and colleague feedback.

Are these just times and reliability changes or are we seeing new services, withdrawn of routes, changes of route

(18 Oct 2021, 11:03 am)Train8261 wrote Are these just times and reliability changes or are we seeing new services, withdrawn of routes, changes of route

The post you've quoted from Dan clearly states these are minor timing changes for reliability - the last big service changes have just happened, there's not going to be any major changes yet, just ironing out of a few teething issues from the last changes.

Seems like the 6 (which is to be extended to Lanchester once per hour) will be fully allocated euro 6 streetlites from end of the month. Presumably the 12 and 57 will follow suit soon enough

(19 Oct 2021, 10:02 pm)JP6004 wrote Seems like the 6 (which is to be extended to Lanchester once per hour) will be fully allocated euro 6 streetlites from end of the month. Presumably the 12 and 57 will follow suit soon enough

12/12A have to be by default as they interwork with the 6.

(19 Oct 2021, 10:02 pm)JP6004 wrote Seems like the 6 (which is to be extended to Lanchester once per hour) will be fully allocated euro 6 streetlites from end of the month. Presumably the 12 and 57 will follow suit soon enough

Nice to see the 730 contract resolved and a direct service across Stanley returning. Presumably changes to the 71 and 28 are to follow suit unless it's been decided they're staying as they are? The new 42 is interesting - I wonder if that's replacing the Scarlet Band S1 - presumably will be a Solo shuttling back and forth. Slightly odd is doesn't serve North Road - perhaps will go down that way once the bus station is complete (whenever that may be).

(19 Oct 2021, 10:34 pm)pbjd wrote 12/12A have to be by default as they interwork with the 6.

Yes I know that, I meant as more repaints are completed and more euro 6 streetlites are freed up, the full allocation will become euro 6. The odd few streetlites have already been operating all 3 services for a while now

(19 Oct 2021, 10:38 pm)peter wrote Nice to see the 730 contract resolved and a direct service across Stanley returning. Presumably changes to the 71 and 28 are to follow suit unless it's been decided they're staying as they are? The new 42 is interesting - I wonder if that's replacing the Scarlet Band S1 - presumably will be a Solo shuttling back and forth. Slightly odd is doesn't serve North Road - perhaps will go down that way once the bus station is complete (whenever that may be).

Which 42? And I doubt the 71 will be changing as there is nothing really to replace it from Seaham-Houghton except maybe a 60 or 65 to 60A/65A.

(20 Oct 2021, 5:59 am)Keeiajs wrote Which 42? And I doubt the 71 will be changing as there is nothing really to replace it from Seaham-Houghton except maybe a 60 or 65 to 60A/65A.

Go North East posted the service changes which are taking place from 30 October on their website last night:

https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/service-im...30-october

(20 Oct 2021, 5:59 am)Keeiajs wrote Which 42? And I doubt the 71 will be changing as there is nothing really to replace it from Seaham-Houghton except maybe a 60 or 65 to 60A/65A.

What I was meaning is, have DCC stepped in to fund the full 71 hence there are no changes or can we expect to see the Houghton-Chester section withdrawn in the future? These changes seem to incorporate a number of DCC contracts - the 730, 239, and new 42, so I wondered if the 28 and 71 had been resolved or if these are still outstanding.

(20 Oct 2021, 9:22 am)peter wrote What I was meaning is, have DCC stepped in to fund the full 71 hence there are no changes or can we expect to see the Houghton-Chester section withdrawn in the future? These changes seem to incorporate a number of DCC contracts - the 730, 239, and new 42, I wondered if the 28 and 71 had been resolved or if these are still outstanding.

Yes, the agreement was that Go North East would continue to operate the 28, 71 and 730 on a commercial basis until Durham County Council could go through the tender process.

They tendered for the provision of the 71 and 730 (along with the 201, 209/210 and 239, as well as part of the Scarlet Band S1 as seen in the new 42 due to their inability to cover it), and Go North East were awarded all these contracts on a one-year basis, with the 730 being replaced by an extended version of the 6 (most efficient way to run it, removing the requirement for remote reliefs).

The 28 and 734 remains operated by Go North East commercially, having not gone out to tender.

The above services will all come out to tender again next year, along with all the other Durham County Council contracts which are due to expire in October 2022 (Park & Ride, Cathedral Bus, and many of Scarlet Band's services).

(20 Oct 2021, 9:26 am)Dan wrote Yes, the agreement was that Go North East would continue to operate the 28, 71 and 730 on a commercial basis until Durham County Council could go through the tender process.

They tendered for the provision of the 71 and 730 (along with the 201, 209/210 and 239, as well as part of the Scarlet Band S1 as seen in the new 42 due to their inability to cover it), and Go North East were awarded all these contracts on a one-year basis, with the 730 being replaced by an extended version of the 6 (most efficient way to run it, removing the requirement for remote reliefs).

The 28 and 734 remains operated by Go North East commercially, having not gone out to tender.

The above services will all come out to tender again next year, along with all the other Durham County Council contracts which are due to expire in October 2022 (Park & Ride, Cathedral Bus, and many of Scarlet Band's services).

Thanks for the info Dan! Nice to see those services being retained. Will certainly be interesting to see what happens next year when the DCC contracts are up for tender once again.

(20 Oct 2021, 6:56 am)Dan wrote Go North East posted the service changes which are taking place from 30 October on their website last night:

https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/service-im...30-october

Will GNE tickets be usable on the 42D, or will it be the same as the cathedral bus?

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(20 Oct 2021, 9:33 am)peter wrote Thanks for the info Dan! Nice to see those services being retained. Will certainly be interesting to see what happens next year when the DCC contracts are up for tender once again.

Amazing what those commercial wizards have done to the Chester - Houghton route and beyond.
Got rid of the 21a and have persevered with the same old since, threatening to withdraw it due to its commercial viability. 
Rather than look at headway with the 78, promote the route, look at alternatives or tweaks - they're being bailed out. Again. 

I get why DCC feel as though they need to step in, but I genuinely don't know how GNE have the nerve. 
'aye mate, withdrawing the 71. We've basically killed it and have done nowt about reserecting it or giving it any sort of life support. If you want us to run it, you're gonna have to pay for it'.

42?? Is this the 42 that runs through north tyneside?? I can just about get away with different companies using the same number for different routes but surely GO north east dont have 2 services with the same number??? Even if they are in different parts of the region ( i could of course be completely of track with this having just read the last few posts!)

(20 Oct 2021, 11:50 am)Rob44 wrote 42?? Is this the 42 that runs through north tyneside??  I can just about get away with different companies using the same number for different routes but surely GO north east dont have 2 services with the same number??? Even if they are in different parts of the region ( i could of course be completely of track with this having just read the last few posts!)

The new service is a Durham County Council contract and as such they have determined the service number. Would you expect GNE to not bid to operate the 40/41/42 services in Durham purely because they have services with the same number in a completely different part of the north east?

(20 Oct 2021, 11:50 am)Rob44 wrote 42?? Is this the 42 that runs through north tyneside??  I can just about get away with different companies using the same number for different routes but surely GO north east dont have 2 services with the same number??? Even if they are in different parts of the region ( i could of course be completely of track with this having just read the last few posts!)

It's being the 42D (The Durham One)

(20 Oct 2021, 12:24 pm)peter wrote The new service is a Durham County Council contract and as such they have determined the service number. Would you expect GNE to not bid to operate the 40/41/42 services in Durham purely because they have services with the same number in a completely different part of the north east?

That's the bit i obviously missed... it being a contract service. Thanks for putting me straight!!!

(20 Oct 2021, 11:50 am)Rob44 wrote 42?? Is this the 42 that runs through north tyneside??  I can just about get away with different companies using the same number for different routes but surely GO north east dont have 2 services with the same number??? Even if they are in different parts of the region ( i could of course be completely of track with this having just read the last few posts!)

33 in Newcastle and 33 in Sunderland?

To be fair, GNE having the 42 and 42D at opposite sides of the network is probably less confusing than Arriva and GNE operating X21s in opposite directions from Eldon/Haymarket

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(20 Oct 2021, 2:14 pm)streetdeckfan wrote To be fair, GNE having the 42 and 42D at opposite sides of the network is probably less confusing than Arriva and GNE operating X21s in opposite directions from Eldon/Haymarket

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Is it the 42D or 42?
The update also states the 40A will be replaced by a 41, but the timetable shows a 41D.

I had thought these D suffixes for the Durham Cathedral bus were internal only, so not entirely sure why the timetable section of the website is showing them. It's a bit confusing though!

(20 Oct 2021, 2:04 pm)NewcastleOne wrote 33 in Newcastle and 33 in Sunderland?

Again the 33 in Newcastle is a Nexus contract so not a service number determined by GNE. 

(20 Oct 2021, 2:53 pm)Adrian wrote Is it the 42D or 42?
The update also states the 40A will be replaced by a 41, but the timetable shows a 41D.

I had thought these D suffixes for the Durham Cathedral bus were internal only, so not entirely sure why the timetable section of the website is showing them. It's a bit confusing though!

I reckon it will operate as the 42, like you say the cathedral buses don't run with a D-suffix on the destination, although it is shown on the timetable. Same with the Nexus 33 which shows as 33N. Agreed doesn't help confusion when the extra letters are shown on the timetable.

(20 Oct 2021, 2:53 pm)Adrian wrote Is it the 42D or 42?
The update also states the 40A will be replaced by a 41, but the timetable shows a 41D.

I had thought these D suffixes for the Durham Cathedral bus were internal only, so not entirely sure why the timetable section of the website is showing them. It's a bit confusing though!

For as long as I can remember it's been referred to on the app the 40D, same with the 86D to Toft Hill, but it's only since the update to the new website that it's been listed on there.

Looking on the Internet Archive, it was just referred to as the '40 - Durham Cathedral Bus', right below the '40 - Little Coasters' on the old site
https://web.archive.org/web/201912101933...imesfares/